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Election Night Results: What would it take for Romney to win
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Posted on 10/30/2012 9:38:02 PM PDT by crusader_against_lumpens

Election Night Results: What needs to happen for Romney to win

Once in a while, I like to get my geek hat on. I have modeled the 2012 election using Excel, and have tried out different scenarios to see what would it take, as far as change in votes from 2008, state by state, to let Romney arrive at 270.

Using the percentages for Zero and McCain from 2008, I've introduced "change-over" in votes from Zero to Romney for 2012. For example, a change-over of X% means zero's 2012 percentage would be %2008 minus X and Romney's would be %2008(McC)+X. To keep it simple, I applied the same change-over to both so, if you can imagine, X% change-over would mean X% previous 0bama voters decided to vote for Romney in 2012.

After adjusting EVs in those states affected by 2010 census (notable examples TX +4, NY -2!), I ran various scenarios with the same change-over value applied to all States across the board. I know it's likely to be somewhat different from state to state but bare with me and let's see what the results are. I also assume Romney wins 1 EV from Maine.

A 5% change-over -- i.e. 2008 NH results were 0bama 54.3, McCain 44.8, we get for 2012: 0bama 49.3, Romney 49.8. Add up all the EVs and Romney wins 286 EVs. With 5% changeover, in addition to 2008 McCain states, Romney also wins CO, FL, IN, IA, NH, NC, OH and VA. Add to McCains totals and with census adjusted EVs we get to 286.

A 6% change-over in votes from 2008 and Romney wins 316 EVs. In addition to those States listed above for 5%, Mittens also nets MN, PA. A 7% change-over: Romney 332 - 0bama 206. Add NV and WI to the total from 6% above.

Now for the nerve-wracking scenario. A 4% change-over results in Romney with 267 EV. A 4.5% (just 0.5% difference) tilts Colorado to Mittens and he wins with 276 EV, despite losing IA and NH.

So, there you have it. The Maginot line is at 4.5% change-over (across the board), meaning we need 9 out of 200 among those who voted for hope&change in 2008 to have a change of heart and pull it for Mitt and we have a winner. Either that or a combination of: 1).change-overs, 2).0bama's voters not showing up and 3).despirited in 2008 conservatives (including Ron Paul write-ins) showing up this time to make up a total of 4.5% "change we can believe in!"

I will be keeping an eye on early state results to see what the change-over is from 2008. If Mitt wins NC by 10% (0bama won it by just 0.4% in 2008), I would feel very good about the rest of the evening.

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1 posted on 10/30/2012 9:38:05 PM PDT by crusader_against_lumpens

To: crusader_against_lumpens

Relax its going to be a landslide.

2 posted on 10/30/2012 9:40:04 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)

To: crusader_against_lumpens
A fun/easy site to play around with winning scenarios: http://www.270towin.com/
3 posted on 10/30/2012 9:42:57 PM PDT by Justice

To: crusader_against_lumpens

9 out of 200? I think we can definitely swing that, no pun intended.

4 posted on 10/30/2012 9:43:04 PM PDT by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)

To: Georgia Girl 2

I hope you’re right. I remember back in ‘08, some people believed that the reason McCain was going to win was because of the PUMA’s, lol. (disgruntled Hillary Clinton supporters)

I was pissed when obama won back then.

5 posted on 10/30/2012 9:44:10 PM PDT by AmericanSamurai

To: Georgia Girl 2

From your keyboard to Gods screen. Hope reigns eternal.

6 posted on 10/30/2012 9:44:21 PM PDT by doc1019

To: crusader_against_lumpens
I don't know why people go thru all this.....its all about electoral votes....bammy gets the usual Rat states plus keeps ohio and Wisconsin, then its lost....and ONE VOTE can make the difference...

I'm just hoping that its a Romney landslide...my heart, my brain, my soul can not take another day let alone 4 yrs of the dictator....

7 posted on 10/30/2012 9:45:17 PM PDT by cherry

To: crusader_against_lumpens

It all comes down to turnout IMO.

For the RATs to win, they are going to need to be at least +4 and probably +5 or more to do so.

I have no doubt they will get some big numbers. They always do in a Presidential year. The good news is that after a horrible 2008, we will as well this time.

If we keep their advantage under four points, Romney wins. If we roughly equal their turnout or even exceed it, then Gallup and Dick Morris will be proven correct and Romney will win going away.

8 posted on 10/30/2012 9:47:39 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)

To: Georgia Girl 2

I sure hope so... but I’m still darned nervous.

9 posted on 10/30/2012 9:47:58 PM PDT by Cementjungle

To: Justice

Thanks for that link.

10 posted on 10/30/2012 9:49:58 PM PDT by entropy12 (Romney/Ryan 2012... Send Obama back to Chicago/Hawaii/Kenya/Indonesia wherever)

To: crusader_against_lumpens

Despite what the media says, it probably won’t take long to tell who the winner is.

Look to NH first (should be one of the first to be called). If Romney wins NH, it’s pretty much over. All he would have to do after that is win either OH or PA and it’s over by 10pm.

If Obama wins NH, PA and OH, it will be a longer night.

11 posted on 10/30/2012 9:50:32 PM PDT by WeatherGuy

To: Georgia Girl 2

Romney 275 (Wins WI, IA, CO, VA, NC, FL, NH)
Obama 263 (Wins OH, MI, PA, NV)

and NE will split it’s 5 EV’s 3 Romney, 2 Obama.

Make a note of it and congratulate me on election night.

12 posted on 10/30/2012 9:56:32 PM PDT by entropy12 (Romney/Ryan 2012... Send Obama back to Chicago/Hawaii/Kenya/Indonesia wherever)

To: entropy12

You do sound very confident.

13 posted on 10/30/2012 9:57:50 PM PDT by AmericanSamurai

To: doc1019

I’ve already organized my election night celebration party. Costco pizza and two buck chuck.

14 posted on 10/30/2012 9:58:43 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)

To: crusader_against_lumpens; Perdogg; LS

Ping

15 posted on 10/30/2012 9:59:47 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (The pundits have forgotten the 2010 elections.)

To: Georgia Girl 2

Geeze, well hopefully if the President changes you can upgrade to some better wine. :P

16 posted on 10/30/2012 10:01:38 PM PDT by AmericanSamurai

To: AmericanSamurai

Note that I even gave OHio to the socialist from Chicago.

Point is, OH is not critical this time. The Rats have spent lot of \$\$ in OH but that leaves their flank open.

17 posted on 10/30/2012 10:06:24 PM PDT by entropy12 (Romney/Ryan 2012... Send Obama back to Chicago/Hawaii/Kenya/Indonesia wherever)

To: crusader_against_lumpens

What will it take? Us...all of us.

On November 6th, 2012, We the people are going to STAND OBAMA DOWN!
http://www.jeffhead.com/standobamadown.htm

18 posted on 10/30/2012 10:12:12 PM PDT by Jeff Head ( Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))

To: Justice
Interesting: If Romney wins Nevada, Iowa, and one of Maine's electors then he can lose both Ohio and Pennsylvania and still get to 270.
19 posted on 10/30/2012 10:15:44 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear

To: crusader_against_lumpens

Welcome newbie. I see you joined a few weeks ago. Stirring the pot?

20 posted on 10/30/2012 10:17:52 PM PDT by kabar

To: crusader_against_lumpens

He has to win more votes than Obama in states with 270 electoral votes.

21 posted on 10/30/2012 10:23:26 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT

To: Georgia Girl 2

The 7% scenario above will be a landslide in my book.
Sorry but can’t relax until the fat lady sings.

22 posted on 10/30/2012 10:25:48 PM PDT by crusader_against_lumpens

To: crusader_against_lumpens

By my count, Romney’s locked 257 electoral votes — including all the solid red states, plus Florida, NC, Virginia and Colorado. He needs 13 more.

- If Romney wins Pennsylvania (20), or Michigan (16), or Ohio (18) ... its over.
- If Romney wins any two of Wisconsin (10), Minnesota (10), Oregon (7), Nevada (6), or Iowa (6) its over (if the two are Iowa and Nevada, he’d get to 269 and win the tie-breaker in the House). New Hampshire is in play, but only 4 votes — not much there.

Basically, Obama needs to sweep Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Ohio ... and take four-out-of-five of Wisconsin, Minnesota, Oregon, Iowa and Nevada. Obama needs 7 of 8 swing states to squeak a victory.

How Nate Silver sees a 75% chance of Obama taking 7 of 8, I don’t know.

SnakeDoc

23 posted on 10/30/2012 10:29:34 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens, Justified)

To: AmericanSamurai

We where hoping after Mcidiot gave up election to put on his cap in order to save the world.

24 posted on 10/30/2012 10:43:11 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')

To: Cementjungle

I sure hope so... but I’m still darned nervous.

Know what you mean~~~in one way I want the election over~~but worry~~all in all I really think Romney will be the next president of our great country!!
And, the nightmare will be OVER!

25 posted on 10/30/2012 10:59:03 PM PDT by Isabel2010

To: SnakeDoctor

Even more encouraging than that is the Rasmussen numbers — which has Romney at 50+ in Ohio, Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, New Hampshire, and Colorado. That’s 279 electoral votes in the States Romney is polling above 50%.

SnakeDoc

26 posted on 10/30/2012 11:01:24 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens, Justified)

To: entropy12

2 NE votes for O? Last time, he only got one. You think he’s doing better this time?

27 posted on 10/30/2012 11:07:55 PM PDT by RPTMS

To: RPTMS

I am playing it on the safe side.

28 posted on 10/30/2012 11:19:35 PM PDT by entropy12 (Romney/Ryan 2012... Send Obama back to Chicago/Hawaii/Kenya/Indonesia wherever)

To: doc1019

Good line. Do you mind if I steal it and use it????

29 posted on 10/30/2012 11:40:46 PM PDT by Nifster

To: kabar

What in my post do you see that would suggest stirring the pot?
I shared some election math scenarios. For Romney to win votes have to change over. The question is how many.
Paranoid, aren’t we? Scared of newbies?

There must be thousands who quietly read without bothering to join because of comments like yours.

30 posted on 10/31/2012 12:10:14 AM PDT by crusader_against_lumpens

To: CharlesWayneCT
He has to win more votes than Obama in states [and/or certain Congressional districts] with 270 electoral votes.

Sorry. Nebraska and Maine make your succinct formula a tad more complicated.
31 posted on 10/31/2012 3:40:01 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)

To: crusader_against_lumpens

Right now, the polls I’ve seen show R enthusiasm @ 92-3, D @ 87-88. Not the sane thing a changeover I know, but you need to adjust for lower D turnout. The REAL “changeover” is the I advantage Romney has-—5-7%-— and hat will be the difference.

32 posted on 10/31/2012 4:25:29 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))

To: Georgia Girl 2; crusader_against_lumpens

no, do NOT relax until it is over

33 posted on 10/31/2012 5:13:48 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)

To: crusader_against_lumpens

This is your first and only post. You create some crackpot methodology that makes it very difficult for Romney to overcome. It is dumb on the face of it. Now Romney has to win NC by 10 to be sure of a landslide? I have been here ten years and can spot a troll a mile away.

34 posted on 10/31/2012 6:43:25 AM PDT by kabar

To: kabar

So what. There’s a first time for everyone. My post clearly states assumptions I used. Are you challenging the margin of McCain’s loss or are unable to understand 2nd grade math so resort to ad hominem attack? If anything, the message was how many do we need to cross over. I have convinced at least two of my libertarian friends to vote for Romney even though they have reservations. What have you done for the cause?
Karl Rove’s piece in WSJ today predicts a 5.1 % changeover. Put that in your pipe and smoke it! Right in line with what i said we would need on average across the board.
Now tell me what in my model do you question. Put up or STFU.

35 posted on 10/31/2012 8:06:32 PM PDT by crusader_against_lumpens

To: LS

Now, that’s an intelligent argument (unlike kabar’s). I’m in agreement that all we may need is the enthusiasm gap to account for the changeover. But still, evefytime I hear someone who voted for zero in 2008 having change of heart this year I feel better. 6 days to go!

36 posted on 10/31/2012 8:38:50 PM PDT by crusader_against_lumpens

To: crusader_against_lumpens
Lump, the basic premise of your magnum opus is flawed and makes no sense. The national vote does not translate evenly across the board to state elections, but there is a general correlation between winning the popular vote and the EV. However, there have been four times when the person winning the popular vote did not win the WH.

I ran various scenarios with the same change-over value applied to all States across the board. I know it's likely to be somewhat different from state to state but bare with me and let's see what the results are.

First, it is bear not bare.

Obama won in 2008 with 53% to 46% (10 million votes). He had 365 electoral votes to McCain's 173--67.8% to 32.2%. Obama won CA by 3.2 million votes, NY by 2.1 million, and Illinois by 1.5 million, which provided him with a cushion of 6.8 million votes from just those three states. They provided 24% of all the votes cast for Obama in 2008.

The Maginot line is at 4.5% change-over (across the board), meaning we need 9 out of 200 among those who voted for hope&change in 2008 to have a change of heart and pull it for Mitt and we have a winner.

No, we need to win just some battleground states to reverse what happened in 2008. Romney does not have to win the popular vote to win electorally, but if he wins the popular vote by just 51% to 49%, there is a strong correlation that he will also win the EV. But you cannot extrapolate those numbers to individual states, which have their own voter demographics.

There is no Maginot line in terms of the national popular vote. Erecting one will have the same effect that the Maginot line had on the Germans. It won't work.

37 posted on 10/31/2012 9:40:13 PM PDT by kabar

To: kabar

Traveling today. Will answer about the numbers tomorrow with details. It’s clear you didn’t get the point. I never cared about the national vote or the millions of votes in CA in 0bama’s favor.

But “lump”? Come on. Stay classy. Surely if you know of the Maginot line you must know what “lumpen” means and why crusading against them is in the conservative cause.
I actually work on curing “lumps” gone cancerous. Not nice at all.
Stay classy...

38 posted on 11/01/2012 9:31:10 PM PDT by crusader_against_lumpens

To: kabar

OK,

Here are the numbers to illustrate what I tried to convey in the main post. I never cared about the total national vote (despite your insinuation) or the margins in lib states of CA, NY or IL. Having said that, we are one nation and we are going to see a seismic wave of crossover from D to R which will span nationwide and my exercise was simply to model at what percentage Romney wins enough crossover states to win the EC.

This lists the important potential ‘turnover’ states Romney will have to win to get to 270. Next to the state is the margin of McCain’s loss from 2008. The next number is the projected margin for Romney, assuming a 5% changeover in the vote for each state for 2012. Finally, last number is the cumulative EV added to McCain’s 181 (179+1ME+1NE).

State, 2008 loss margin, 2012 R win margin(5% changeover), EV Tally.
NC, -0.4, 9.6, 196
IN, -0.9, 9.1, 207
FL, -2.5, 7.5, 236
OH, -4.0, 6.0, 254
VA, -6.3, 3.7, 267
CO, -8.6, 1.4, 276

Note that CO will tilt with at least 4.5 changeover from 2008. Hence my reference to 4.5% as the Maginot line. You didn’t appreciate the Maginot line metaphor, that’s fine. I see it differently.

This whole argument started with your questioning my motives for posting simple math comparing 2008 actual results to what we need for it to end up different in 2012. Winning NC by 10% will be no big deal as it was almost a tie in 2008 and it doen’t take much to imagine a 5% changeover in NC. Even McCain won OK (for example) by 30+% so nothing surprizing if NC ends up with 10% difference in Romney’s favor. The point was that you can make an argument that such a result from NC may hint at a sizable shift in electorate’s preference from 2008 if extrapolated to other states. Which I think is a reasonable argument given it is one country after all and the economy, Benghazi, 0bamacare or whatever else that drives people’s feelings/decisions for the vote crosses state lines.

Now that we have argued this much, I hope to be able to be in good enough mood Tuesday night or Wed to use the actual percentages from each state (at least the important ones listed above) to see how consistent the changeover was and whether my model made sense. Which brings it to Ohio. I simply refuse to believe the rest of the nation will experience a certain % changover in voting yet OH will stubbornly stay with 0bama (which is what the libs are insisting). Not gonna happen. It only needs a 2%+ changeover from 2008 which is easy to imagine is already there. I predict at least a 5% win for Romney in OH.

As for bear/bare, I use a tablet which liberally switches between various options as I type. I am surprized you’d even find it worthwhile to spell it out. Your negative attack is one of the reasons I never bothered to post or even register. I have been following FR since at least 99-2000, more so prior to elections. Life is busy enough...

39 posted on 11/02/2012 8:08:23 PM PDT by crusader_against_lumpens

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