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Vanity: If Obama loses can he still be impeached?

Posted on 10/31/2012 11:30:10 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55

Say Obama loses the election and then these emails that Gingrich are talking about surface. And then eventually the videos come out.

Obama has LIED to the American people just like Clinton. Even though he wouldn't be around can elected officials still vote to impeach him? Even though it wouldn't be knocking him out of office per se? Just a mark on his record?

What are the ramifications of impeachment?


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1 posted on 10/31/2012 11:30:11 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

he can be impeached right up to the last day in office


2 posted on 10/31/2012 11:32:18 AM PDT by revivaljoe
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To: ConservativeMan55

Or would they have hearings to try and convict him of treason?


3 posted on 10/31/2012 11:32:26 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

House of Representatives can indict; Senate is the jury....Bill Clinton was impeached and found innocent by the Senate. A bunch of no-ball bastards.


4 posted on 10/31/2012 11:33:10 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: ConservativeMan55

Yes, technically but to what end? The purpose of impeachment is to remove a corrupt official from office. There’s no point when the official will be leaving in two months anyway. No point in wasting time with comittee hearings, votes, a trial in the senate, etc.


5 posted on 10/31/2012 11:33:20 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: ConservativeMan55

Wouldn’t seem practical or worthwhile. Congress would have to do it in a lame duck session, and the Senate would never go along in either case. With just a few months left in his presidency, it would be spun as Congress wasting the people’s time.

I think better is to just keep this in the headlines throughout the lame duck months and disgrace this guy as much as possible as his presidency winds down...


6 posted on 10/31/2012 11:34:00 AM PDT by lquist1
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To: cotton1706

Well I was just wondering because if there are hearings, etc.. then could he be called to testify?

And could this testimony cause problems for O during a criminal trial?


7 posted on 10/31/2012 11:35:13 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

Without conviction it is an asterisk.

Forget it.


8 posted on 10/31/2012 11:35:40 AM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: cotton1706

Wrong-doing must always be prosecuted, even if the perpetrator got away. Otherwise, we set the precedent that you can engage in all kinds of malfeasance while in office, and that you can get off scot free when you leave office.


9 posted on 10/31/2012 11:35:54 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: lquist1

I think there needs to be hearings on this though?

How could Congressman and Senators begin treason proceedings?


10 posted on 10/31/2012 11:36:38 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: fwdude

That’s my line of thought as well. He needs to be punished in some form or fashion by the justice system to deter others from this kind of activity.


11 posted on 10/31/2012 11:38:27 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

The odds on Obama gettign impeached if he loses is zero.

(1) It taskes several months to get an impeachment process going. Not enough time left to make it happen.
(2) The libs would portray it as the Right just piling on and try to make the Repubs look like bad guys (they’d try to do that anyway but this would just give them more ammunition).
(3) Nobody wants to be the one to impeach the first black (or half black) President.
(4) The Repubs would be just as happy to have this thing hang around Obama’s and the DemoCRAPs necks for as long a they can.

Again.... ain’t gonna happen. I wish it would but... ain’t gonna happen.


12 posted on 10/31/2012 11:39:39 AM PDT by BFM (CLINTON is and always will be a rapist. Never forget!)
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To: ConservativeMan55

a more pertinent question is, can he pardon himself?


13 posted on 10/31/2012 11:40:11 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: cotton1706

Actually, Article I, Section 3, 7 says:

“Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.”

Sounds to me like they can impeach anybody who is currently enjoying an office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States. I would think that having the lifetime title of “President”, as well as a pension, would qualify an ex-President to be impeached in order to remove those things.


14 posted on 10/31/2012 11:40:32 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: ConservativeMan55

He could not be called to testify.

He could choose to testify but he wouldn’t.

Seperation of powers.

The House is entirely alone in the proceeding. The defenders of Obama in the House would be the House Democrat leadership and their chosen henchmen.

Obama won’t be impeached. Obama won’t be prosecuted. So it’s a moot point.


15 posted on 10/31/2012 11:41:32 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear". (Glenn Beck))
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To: butterdezillion

Ah good catch!


16 posted on 10/31/2012 11:41:55 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

Impeachment Charge: Assassination of Ambassador Stephens. Motive: Prevent release of Presidential data related to funding and arming Moslem Brotherhood.


17 posted on 10/31/2012 11:42:59 AM PDT by Tugo (Romney & Ryan)
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To: txrangerette

Impeachment maybe not.. but prosecution I think is still possible. I wouldn’t rule that out because we do not yet know all of the evidence.

There are emails, audio recordings and videos that the public has not yet seen.


18 posted on 10/31/2012 11:43:23 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I’m gonna say no. Look at what happened with Nixon. Instead of pardoning himself his successor did it.


19 posted on 10/31/2012 11:44:41 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: fwdude

Impeachment is not to be used for prosecution. It is for the removal of an official only. After removal, without the shroud of power over him, an elected official is fully subject to prosecution of any crimes.


20 posted on 10/31/2012 11:44:59 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: ConservativeMan55

It’s been obvious for some time that there is a strata in society that once you reach it, you are never held accountable for anything.


21 posted on 10/31/2012 11:45:45 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: cotton1706
Yes, technically but to what end? The purpose of impeachment is to remove a corrupt official from office.

Several:

1) Deliver a message that such malfeasance has repercussions.
2) Put a permanent stain of humiliation on the SOB.
3) Impact his future receipt of pension from the tax payers.
4) Piss the hell out of the Wookie.

Four alone is good enough for me.

22 posted on 10/31/2012 11:45:50 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Obama Lied, Stevens died.)
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To: cotton1706

Say he doesn’t get impeached.. can he still be tried for treason?

Without the removal what prosecution would he be subject to?


23 posted on 10/31/2012 11:46:28 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: butterdezillion

That is what I was thinking.

If he is impeached and convicted, then they could remove his title, pension and protection!


24 posted on 10/31/2012 11:46:45 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Michael.SF.

5) Eliminate or at least make it very difficult for Wookie to hold any elected office in the future.


25 posted on 10/31/2012 11:47:30 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: Buckeye McFrog; xone

That would be the reason to wait until he’s out of office to impeach him - so he cannot pardon himself or anybody who aided him in his crimes, claim executive privilege to keep critical records hidden, etc.

It’s also why FEDERAL law enforcement would probably want to wait until he’s out of office to try him for crimes as well. Prosecution for state felonies would still work while he was in office because he has no control over state law enforcement. And he has committed perjury in Arizona and at least a couple other states, by submitting sworn statements saying he is Constitutionally qualified to be President, even though Hawaii has now confirmed that his Hawaii birth certificate is non-valid (which means he’s been using a different BC his whole life and knows darn well that he’s not eligible).


26 posted on 10/31/2012 11:47:37 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: ExTxMarine

And on top of that if we find out he’s from Kenya maybe we could deport him too! LOL


27 posted on 10/31/2012 11:48:31 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: butterdezillion

No, impeachment is for removal from office. If an ex-president is getting a pension or some other benefit through the government, that can be cut off through legislation, through law. Not through impeachment.

Impeachment is an indictment for removal from office and nothing more. It ensures that the people control their own government, that those elected or appointed can be removed from office should they cease to act in “good behaviour.”


28 posted on 10/31/2012 11:50:00 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: txrangerette

If he was impeached after he left office he could be compelled to testify, and he would not be able to claim executive privilege on any of the government records.


29 posted on 10/31/2012 11:50:57 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: revivaljoe

Since the consequences of conviction on an impeachment are disqualification from any office of trust or profit under the United States, yes, “Obama” could be impeached and convicted after he leaves office.


30 posted on 10/31/2012 11:51:27 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: revivaljoe

Since the consequences of conviction on an impeachment are disqualification from any office of trust or profit under the United States, yes, “Obama” could be impeached and convicted after he leaves office.


31 posted on 10/31/2012 11:51:30 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: revivaljoe

Since the consequences of conviction on an impeachment are disqualification from any office of trust or profit under the United States, yes, “Obama” could be impeached and convicted after he leaves office.


32 posted on 10/31/2012 11:51:32 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: Admin Moderator

Hey Admin would you mind fixing my headline? I made a typo.

Thank you!


33 posted on 10/31/2012 11:51:49 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: Tijeras_Slim

That is the nation’s Founders’ worst nightmare. If we allow this to stay that way, we are asking for this nation to perish.


34 posted on 10/31/2012 11:52:06 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Oh that’s another good point. So he CAN be impeached after he leaves office then?


35 posted on 10/31/2012 11:52:43 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: Michael.SF.

Amen, brother!


36 posted on 10/31/2012 11:53:11 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

That was the whole point of us coming over here.. to get away from “Kings” who aren’t held accountable.


37 posted on 10/31/2012 11:53:34 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: butterdezillion

I think someone should submit this to O’Reilly for the Is it legal segment.


39 posted on 10/31/2012 11:54:23 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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If (big if), any talk of impeachment or post election prosecution begins to gain traction with the public, you will quickly see Lord Lindsay and Bohner kill each other to first get their hands on a microphone to tell us that “This is a time for healing” and that it is not in the American interest to do so.

Anyone wanna claim I’m wrong?


40 posted on 10/31/2012 11:55:40 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: butterdezillion
That would be the reason to wait until he’s out of office to impeach him -

If he is out of office, you don't have to/can't impeach him. Because of politics, he is unlikely to face prosecution.

41 posted on 10/31/2012 11:55:54 AM PDT by xone
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To: ConservativeMan55

Any person can be prosecuted for treason should there be evidence of it. However, if you try to prosecute a president or a judge while in office, the office itself acts as a protection since there are priveleges and connections that go along with it. That’s why it’s proper to remove an official from office and then prosecute.

For example, the president controlse the attorney general’s office and could influence the prosecutor, etc. The president could try to pardon himself. Out of office, these powers are removed. Likewise with a judge.


42 posted on 10/31/2012 11:56:00 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: ConservativeMan55

Who cares about impeachment? It means nothing, not even removal from office. He needs to be hung for treason; that would work for me.


43 posted on 10/31/2012 11:56:07 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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It is too late to impeach the Obozo and his hate American thugs like Holder, Panetta, and H. Clintoon surrounding him.

Wouldn’t it be better, if Obozo was arrested for Treason and high crimes at Andrews AFB on his way back to Chicago after President Romney is sworn in.

Then, have mass arrests of his Chicago rat thugs for treason/high crimes and abetting traitors/criminals at various DC area airports as they try to flee back to Chicago and other rat holes. If we miss their out going flights, arrest them at their home airports when their planes arrive. Invite Fox to video the rats being arrested in DC or at OHare.

Panetta and Clintoon need to be arrested for treason and other high crime criminal acts.

Let Panetta and Clinton work as land mine detectors and removal where ever our military needs them.

Arrest Holder for arming and enabling drug mafia murderers in Mexico. Send him to Mexico to help retrieve the guns and ammo he authorized to go there. Let the Mexican government deal with him, feed him and “protect“ him.


44 posted on 10/31/2012 11:57:19 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are the 53%, who pay taxes and keep this country going inspite of the 47% rat moochers!)
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He can’t be impeached. Only a legal president can be impeached.

Handcuffed and frog marched to jail? Yes.


45 posted on 10/31/2012 11:57:28 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: cotton1706

***Yes, technically but to what end?****

He could resurface and run for a second term!!!

He’s still a young _________ fill in the blank.


46 posted on 10/31/2012 11:57:35 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Life is prickly - carry tweezers.)
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To: ConservativeMan55

Please understand I’m not commenting on Obama’s guilt or innocence of criminal behavior or any evidence that might be out there.

I’m saying, it will not be done. Obama will not be prosecuted. It takes a prosecutor to prosecute, either within the Justice Dept or an outsider who is appointed to do it independently.

I’m just saying the Republicans, from Romney at the top to the lowliest of House members, will not want to, and will not, pursue Obama criminally after he leaves office.

That’s just my belief of what will/won’t happen.


47 posted on 10/31/2012 11:57:40 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear". (Glenn Beck))
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To: butterdezillion

You keep using the word “impeached.” I don’t think you understand what it means.

The penalty is removal from office. If the person is not in the office, you can’t impeach him.

Impeachment is not going to happen.


48 posted on 10/31/2012 11:57:43 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: cotton1706

If he’s not impeached though, can he still be prosecuted for treason later on after he leaves office?


49 posted on 10/31/2012 11:58:01 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

There is no statute of limitations on TREASON!


50 posted on 10/31/2012 11:58:03 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ( For AMERICA's sake: Vote for the Mormon, NOT the muslim; The Capitalist, NOT the Communist! FUBO!)
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