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Was My Life as a Conservative an Illusion?
Reflection | 11/6/2012 | Self

Posted on 11/06/2012 8:12:21 PM PST by Jumper

As the election results pour in tonight, I am confronted with by a period of time in which I must reassess my core values and beliefs, and how they fit into the broader population of the United States.


TOPICS: AMERICA - The Right Way!!; Religion
KEYWORDS: elections
As the election results pour in tonight, I am confronted with by a period of time in which I must reassess my core values and beliefs, and how they fit into the broader population of the United States.

It is my belief that the Nation is becoming a Humanist Country, where Government is at the Center of Life much as Religion had been in the past. We are becoming more like Sweden or the Nordic countries rather than like the Southern EU nations of Greece, Italy or Spain. The difference between a social democracy and a Humanist Country is at its core one of financial ability to maintain - the Nordic nations have oil, gas and low populations and the South has more people than they can support.

My basis for these thoughts are that I have lived in a state of mind in which I choose to be conservative, religious, and tried to be the best person I could, all the while teaching my children to work hard and be self-reliant.

But as the election results are coming in evidence to the contrary confronts me that many more Americans are not conservative.

The state of American is that just over one-half of the citizens are happy with the Democrats while the conservative half like myself felt he was destruction to the Nation on so many levels.

Tonight I must finally admit that Democrats and liberals have achieved their goals of moving the County into a social democracy like those in Europe; tonight is 1970 in Europe and in 50 years the USA will be in the same dire straights as Europe.

Americans like myself will no longer take the risks or work harder than the laziest in each of our work environments and all seek the same diminishing rewards. Having lived in Europe and experienced the their culture in The Netherlands and Belgium, all incentive to produce has been breed out of the population.

So tonight I must accept that the Country is not going to collapse nor is it going to change much from today for that matter. Tomorrow I will be faced with walking the social plank off the Ship into the water or tread lightly so as not to offend the Humanists, the gays, the anti-Christians, the Latinos, Blacks, women, etc.

Tonight I go to sleep knowing my way of life is in the last generation where a majority once worked hard and individuals were important; tomorrow I embrace the new culture where the intolerant are somehow the norm and to live counter to their culture is being intolerant - I for one do not think I can tolerate this new status quo but will silently accept what our schools and taxes have done to society.

1 posted on 11/06/2012 8:12:23 PM PST by Jumper
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To: Jumper

Yep, USA is dead.


2 posted on 11/06/2012 8:16:24 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: Jumper

It’s simple.

More takers than makers.

USA is gonna go the way of Greece and Spain and Italy.

Except we don’t have a Germany to pull us out. Oh, wait, we have China.


3 posted on 11/06/2012 8:17:31 PM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Jumper

tonight i go to bed consoling myself with the fact that obama can not be elected ever again.


4 posted on 11/06/2012 8:17:56 PM PST by annelizly
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To: Jumper

Eventually everyone will be “married” to everyone.


5 posted on 11/06/2012 8:19:06 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Gluttons for punishment.)
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To: Jumper

No one taught their children well.


6 posted on 11/06/2012 8:20:01 PM PST by Paladin2 (.)
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To: Utmost Certainty

I’m going Galt!


7 posted on 11/06/2012 8:20:23 PM PST by Ouchthatonehurt
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To: Jumper

Remember, 50% of America still supported Romney. Chances are 1 in 2 people will know what the principles of this country are. But you’re right about the big thing— real cultural conservatives need to prepare for becoming a minority, study up, and buckle down.


8 posted on 11/06/2012 8:21:27 PM PST by Avery Morrow
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To: annelizly
oh no. He now has "flexibility"

9 posted on 11/06/2012 8:22:17 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: Ouchthatonehurt
I’m going Galt!

Agreed but not sure where that is in this world....

10 posted on 11/06/2012 8:22:19 PM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Jumper
The economy is toast. Four years from now we'll be wondering, "what the hell did we do to America to make it a third world nation!"

China will be the world's undisputed sole superpower and a majority of Americans will be working part-time low-wage jobs. The housing industry will collapse and more people will lose their homes when they lose their jobs due to the worsening economy. But most won't care as long as they can get free stuff from Obama!

11 posted on 11/06/2012 8:23:39 PM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Ouchthatonehurt

Where ya gonna go?


12 posted on 11/06/2012 8:25:15 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: annelizly

Do you really expect an election to take place in 2016?


13 posted on 11/06/2012 8:26:37 PM PST by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is the operational wing of CPUSA.)
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To: Jumper

I am thankful I got to live as much of my life as I did in a relatively free society.

My heart breaks for my children and grandchildren who will not have the same opportunities I did.


14 posted on 11/06/2012 8:28:49 PM PST by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: Jumper

FU-BARRY!


15 posted on 11/06/2012 8:30:02 PM PST by This I Wonder32460
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To: Jumper

Agree with your writing, sadly.


16 posted on 11/06/2012 8:32:03 PM PST by mojo114 (Pray for our military)
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To: Jumper

You have no one to blame but Chamber of Commerce and Free Trade GOP. Create large numbers of illegal immigrants who take jobs and eligible for public assistance while RINO catering to business and free traders open opportunities for Dems. Try to correct the situation creates tension between Hispanics and whites. Buchanan has warned us about this and it is too late. We have five big states in terms of electoral college, CA, NY, TX, FL and IL. Hispanics plus public unions play key role in helping Dems win/dominate CA, NY, IL, now add FL to list. Same is happening to VA and NC. Today the GOP dominates TX, but the southern band is breaking up. Only the Rocky Mountain states are all is left of GOP stronghold.
Demographics has become our destiny. Public unions, unions and white liberals are small in numbers, but add illegal immigrant/Latino American allies, blacks, Jews, and Asians, the coalition is large enough in key states to give Dems narrow Electoral College victories. Vice versa for GOP. I agree this country has hit a tipping point, but what are we all going to do about it? Fracturing the GOP is not the answer because it will make Dem victories even easier. I say sit back and wait. Hispanics and Blacks fight everyday in CA, the liberal Jews will one day must confront the growing Muslim in Dem party. How we deal with defeat is equally important as winning.


17 posted on 11/06/2012 8:32:07 PM PST by Fee
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To: Jumper
I am exiting politics, entirely. When a socialist regime becomes so powerful that an election result no longer represents my voice due to voter fraud, what's the point? When a society comprised of robots ignorant of the issues becomes the majority opinion, what's the point? When a society becomes DOMINATED by ignorant females who vote (with their lady parts) for a cool swagger man because of a hurricane and don't even know what BENGHAZI means, WHAT THE HELL HAVE WE DONE?

God has abandoned us, and we ain't seen nothin' yet. Have at it, ladies. You won't have to worry about a 'war on terror'. There isn't one if you surrender to it, and you will. Enjoy, ladies!

18 posted on 11/06/2012 8:33:30 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Jumper

sorry, all this doom and gloom stuff is nonsense, the US still offers the greatest opportunity and freedom of any country in the world (and this is from someone looking in from the outside)

i suggest everyone who is extrapolating the end of America and unending democrat dominance start reading Walter Meade’s blog on the unsustainability of the “blue state model”

http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2012/11/06/election-day/
the democrats may think they have demographics on their side but they are going to preside over a public sector collapse if they don’t change their ways

the republicans and conservatives have recognized the unsustainability of the blue model, but are still struggling to explain to people what comes after, and that it doesn’t have to be all bad...


19 posted on 11/06/2012 8:37:25 PM PST by Reverend Wright (Obama explains the ALCS: the Yankees actually played great but lost due to mistakes by Joe Torre)
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To: Jumper

I completely can relate with your sentiment dear fellow FReeper.
But I must remind you, that living in this once great nation, living as a conservative believing that a man or a party will ensure our Freedom is an illusion. Things must get worse before they get better. This nation died today. I am hearing four more years. The Bible says that “cursed is the man that trusts in man.” Today we get what we deserve for our apathy, our materialism and vain pursuits. We voted God out our classrooms and we are now reaping the whirlwind. God is not mocked and you cannot play the whore with wholesome truth and not get burned. This nation has forsaken God and as a result our population is now struck with ignorance and amnesia of what made our country great. The huddled masses will now stand at the altar of desolation and desperation and the motley Crüe of ignoramuses and Obama zombies will come out and have their day but for a very short lived moment of glee and then when they say “peace” sudden destruction will come.
It is truly sad and everyone of this forum must look inward as today is truly a day of reckoning for all of us. The new world order is tonight kicked into high gear. Worship not the beast or his image Revelation 14 :12
We are the last generation


20 posted on 11/06/2012 8:41:18 PM PST by hope_dies_last
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To: Menehune56

It’s not about where its about how.
The more the gov. Knows about you and what you
Have the more they can control you and take from you.

Don’t offer to share any info. Don’t keep your assets
In places that they can tax...

I. fully expect zero et al will push for a social
Retirement fund and to pay for it and pay down
the debt they will Attempt to take over IRAs, 401, 403b etc. and redistribute
All those funds to a little for everyone.
They will sell it by getting the support of the freelading
Pukes that didn’t plan and have no retirement savings.


21 posted on 11/06/2012 8:41:19 PM PST by VRWCarea51
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To: Utmost Certainty

Sad day in our Nation’s history.

Pathetic example of what we’ve evolved to.

Beyond imagination that the failings of this POTUS are rewarded with 4 more years.

The leftards, democrat lurkers to this site, etc... enjoy your moment. Know that more than 1/2 of this country holds you in contempt for skewed values and as accomplices to what further damage is done to this country.

As we enter 2013 with higher taxes, more regulation, less liberty, fewer jobs, an a worsening economy... thank your libtard neighbors for making it all possible.


22 posted on 11/06/2012 8:41:52 PM PST by Made In The USA (Obama may not be running on his record, but he sure as hell can't run from it.)
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To: Reverend Wright

sorry, all this doom and gloom stuff is nonsense, the US still offers the greatest opportunity and freedom of any country in the world (and this is from someone looking in from the outside)

Damnation by faint praise. Pretty much our entire way of life will collapse and that won’t be pretty. Think the aftermath of Sandy on Staten Island as the new normal.


23 posted on 11/06/2012 8:44:10 PM PST by garbanzo (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
well, it wasn't a woman standing there with a bat threatening voters in Philly and it wasn't a woman voting multiple times on Cnn and it wasn't a woman bragging that he voted four time in NC....

women supported Romney....period...

we have dead people in the USA who don't think and who are takers...

they'll vote for themselves everytime...

but for me, I'm done too....I want to crawl into my own life and forget about everybody else....even my adult children piss me off right now....

I won't give to charity anymore...done...

I'm not buying cd's or magazines or dvd's or any of that crap anymore...maybe second hand store stuff...

I don't even think I'll donate blood anymore...

sorry to say this, but the Hurricane victims are getting a dime out of me freely.....I'm sure I'll get killed by the taxes...

its time to learn to cheat, to lie....its time to stop being the goody goody two shoes anymore...

let the pigs wallow in their own excrement...

24 posted on 11/06/2012 8:47:58 PM PST by cherry
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To: Jumper

I am sick to my stomach right now. I am trying to comprehend just how the American people, with four solid years of documented failure, would re-elect this man.

The only conclusion I can draw is that the American people have accepted an entitlement society and socialism and have rejected free enterprise and Capitalism. If that is the case, America, as a great economic and military power, is over.

Our future is now one of continual decline, increasing debt, increasing taxes, increasing social programs, government-subsidized health care and polarization.

I predict that the end result of this will be a civil war.

Good-bye to Ronald Reagan’s vision of America, and hello to Josef Stalin’s.

Tonight I weep for my country.


25 posted on 11/06/2012 8:48:28 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (You are not now, and will never be my President, Obama.)
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To: comebacknewt
I am thankful I got to live as much of my life as I did in a relatively free society. My heart breaks for my children and grandchildren who will not have the same opportunities I did.

I feel the same way. But they're getting what they voted for...

26 posted on 11/06/2012 8:49:14 PM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Utmost Certainty

They’re loving this thread at DU. Get a grip.


27 posted on 11/06/2012 8:49:25 PM PST by Notary Sojac (Ut veniant omnes)
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To: Westbrook

“More takers than makers”

Or, as Walt Kelly once put it,

“We have met the enemy and he is us.”


28 posted on 11/06/2012 8:51:11 PM PST by haroldeveryman
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To: Reverend Wright
Well said.

As a non-believer myself, it amazes me to see so many Freepers who believe that God is in control being far more despondent tonight than am I.

29 posted on 11/06/2012 8:52:04 PM PST by Notary Sojac (Ut veniant omnes)
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To: annelizly
With this either being a grand theft or more “Gimme” folks than those like us, it is not an impossibility in 4 years he decides to remain and his frauders and “Gimme’s” say OK.

The more immediate problem will be the dems seeing re-election and keeping the Senate as a green flag to the way they have been doing business an drive us right off many cliffs at once.

Our next worst concern will be retribution.

30 posted on 11/06/2012 8:52:52 PM PST by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: Notary Sojac

Notary

i am very much a believer, and i believe that ultimately it is His will that prevails:

I believe God answers all prayers, but sometimes the answer is no.

Isaiah 40:23 reads: He brings princes to naught
and reduces the rulers of this world to nothing.

Although we can’t understand it now, it must be that Obama remaining in the White House for now must serve some purpose...


31 posted on 11/06/2012 9:00:42 PM PST by Reverend Wright (Obama explains the ALCS: the Yankees actually played great but lost due to mistakes by Joe Torre)
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To: Jumper

If it makes you feel any better, there are parts of Western Europe (the Netherlands are good example) where privately owned small businesses are doing very well, and in fact small business is typically 2-3 times the percentage of GDP in most of Western Europe than it is in the US.

The reason is that a lot of the “Socialism” in these countries (ex: guaranteed access to health care, preferential treatment of retail smaller businesses as opposed to their larger competitors) is actually very friendly to the creation and stability of small (1-100 person) businesses.

There is definitely still a place the these societies for individual initiative and ownership, in fact if you are a smaller business owner, you will *on the average* do better in the Netherlands than here (thought it’s also harder to do *spectacularly* well there, primarily due to higher taxes), which is why even the conservative parties support a lot of such programs.

This view is anathema to a most posters here, but it’s not fantasy; my wife has family in the Netherlands, we visit regularly, and it’s simply a fact that it’s a country with a vibrant private sector.


32 posted on 11/06/2012 9:05:13 PM PST by M. Dodge Thomas (million)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
I am exiting politics, entirely.

I don't want to get into Reagan tonight, and how much he meant to me, but when you feel as you do right now take a look at that man's life and how he couldn't be shaken from a path of trying to change things, to help his nation and his fellow man.

Like you, I'm tired too, I'm not the political warrior that I was 20 and 40 years ago, but I still try to participate at whatever level that I can dredge up.

You don't have to always jump in with both feet but keep a hand in the game, go through the motions, vote, hang a sign, do what you want at your own pace and level, just don't totally check out.

33 posted on 11/06/2012 9:07:23 PM PST by ansel12 (Vote, but don't pretend.)
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To: Jumper
When I was 13, my Father told me something that I never forgot, “nobody owes you a living”. Very simple, very concise and it is exactly how I have lived my life.

I have been working in one sense or another since I was eight years old. Yard work, Paper Route, Pumping Gas and whatever it took. There was no “allowance” in my home, there was work and reward.

If the final numbers come up to an Obama victory, so be it.
The Entitlement Society has overruled the Risk and Reward Society. We are now our Brothers keepers, under threat of punishment from the Government. Envy has replaced hard work and the Ballot Box has replaced the need to steal.

Tomorrow is another day, and we will be in the same situation we are today, with the caveat that the Left now has nothing to lose.

Just step over the bloodied Corpse and go on your way. There is nothing to see here, the victim was the perpetrator.

God Bless us one and all.

34 posted on 11/06/2012 9:07:31 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Win or lose, Impeach Obama Ben Ghazi...)
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To: Jumper

If it makes you feel any better, there are parts of Western Europe (the Netherlands are good example) where privately owned small businesses are doing very well, and in fact small business is typically 2-3 times the percentage of GDP in most of Western Europe than it is in the US.

The reason is that a lot of the “Socialism” in these countries (ex: guaranteed access to health care, preferential treatment of retail smaller businesses as opposed to their larger competitors) is actually very friendly to the creation and stability of small (1-100 person) businesses.

There is definitely still a place the these societies for individual initiative and ownership, in fact if you are a smaller business owner, you will *on the average* do better in the Netherlands than here (thought it’s also harder to do *spectacularly* well there, primarily due to higher taxes), which is why even the conservative parties support a lot of such programs.

This view is anathema to a most posters here, but it’s not fantasy; my wife has family in the Netherlands, we visit regularly, and it’s simply a fact that it’s a country with a vibrant private sector.

Capitalism isn’t going away anytime soon, even in Western Europe, and certainly not here, and it still rewards initiative and hard work.


35 posted on 11/06/2012 9:08:54 PM PST by M. Dodge Thomas (million)
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To: Reverend Wright; pollywog
The 19th of May, 1780, was a remarkable day. Candles were lighted in many houses; the birds were silent and disappeared, and the fowls retired to roost. The legislature of Connecticut was then in session at Hartford.

A very general opinion prevailed, that the day of judgment was at hand. The house of Representatives, being unable to transact their business, adjourned. A proposal to adjourn the Council was under consideration.

When the opinion of Colonel Davenport was asked, he answered, "I am against an adjournment. The day of judgment is either approaching, or it is not. If it is not, there is no cause of an adjournment: if it is, I choose to be found doing my duty. I wish therefore that candles may be brought."

Let us all emulate the good Colonel in the days to come.

36 posted on 11/06/2012 9:25:40 PM PST by Notary Sojac (Ut veniant omnes)
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To: Notary Sojac

God’s Word......not mine.
Do I believe it? You bet, and I am not going to face Judgement. Why? Because I have believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, God’s Son, for forgiveness of my sin.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9

King James Version (KJV)

7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;


37 posted on 11/06/2012 10:03:58 PM PST by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: Jumper

Yeah, Christian conservatives/Western civilization American people who live here won’t fit into the land anymore in culture, values or way of life. We have not fit in for a long time now, culturally and socially. Now they have pulled up the bridge to our economic and constitutional way of life.

Actually, we were not doing well living with only materialistic expression permitted here. Our people’s way of life intertwined a Christian and constitutional social with an economic culture. Humanists twisted, erased and banned it.

Modern conservatives have falsely viewed themselves as being a part of a nation but that nation’s courts and intellectuals pretty much outlawed and debased and hated them in public and in every way. We had the majority for a long time and could hold them off economically, but it never really changed dented the march of humanism and globalism and the cleansing of our people’s social and legal ideals and our National way of life.

As we were cleansed socially (of Christian morals and values and often, marriage relationships and families) and legally (of constitutional freedom) in public, humanists and their ideal of immorality and materialism invaded our churches and hollowed them out, too.

I think in the future Christian American-Americans will turn to one another and be more of who we are and protective with one another like the other minority tribes. Humanists are like filthy racists. They absolutely hate us. They have whole university studies on debasing and hating our ancestors, freedom...and God. Things are going to get wierder and uglier in humanist society. We are going to need to look out for one another. I don’t think there is anywhere to run. This is a global monster.


38 posted on 11/06/2012 10:25:05 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson
Thanks, as your post mirrors my thoughts exactly. There are two social economic problems facing our Country moving FORWARD. The first is that the numbers of those taking their fair share will increase, and not so much provide more to those already taking although it was their belief that this was the situation. Rather, now many of us who are/were conservatives will nuzzle up to the trough and begin to ask for the same benefits; this is an unintended consequence of redistribution politics - now the makers will beyond just the crony capitalists also demand a fair share. Can the Country afford MORE takers who are legally entitled? Another economic consequence of last night's vote is that our local medical center, the Cape Fear Valley Hospital told employees this morning that they would lay off 250 staff by 1 January. As private sector employers lay off folks at about a 20% clip it affects basic economics and much needed household discretionary income and fewer wants will give way to only consuming NEEDs. I can predict that no one will go in debt 8 years to become a doctor but rather since the Society needs doctors they will get a free education (along with less pay and no student debt) owning the Government Service as a pay rate of a salaried employee; no longer a profession when you get rich but rather where you do work you like and are driving the same economy model vehicles as the waitress or restroom attendant.

The only way to economically fix the Country at this point after running up massive debt will be to drop the US Dollar in favor of a regional currency like an American Dollar used throughout the NAFTAs. American region - this will allow the government to absolve itself, along with individuals of debt but looking at the EU this was only a temporary 10-year kick the can down the road ploy to keep those that voted solvent until the next crisis....

My fear is that the economic consequences of last night will transform our Country from one that had self made opportunities into one in which you cooperate (government/unions/social welfare systems) and you graduate into a less personal wealth system; this will be a Country where you get a job which is held in place by the same type of laws in the EU countries; and as in the EU discretionary income means you eat out less, buy fewer Cokes, Snickers, and drive less - all optimal goals of a social democracy - personal comfort items will give way to basic needs as the money distribution provides most with the minimum's and that is the loss of the American Dream of Golden Opportunity, for most.

39 posted on 11/07/2012 6:48:03 AM PST by Jumper
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To: Notary Sojac
Rev, I do not think you actually understand the Christian faith in the proper context when it comes to what you have heard in relation to the analogy of putting ones faith in God (Recall that not so eloquent phraseology that went something like - Its a Black thing you would not understand, e.g., being white made it impossible to comprehend). Not just Christians, but those who have faith in God also understand they find comfort is putting their burdens beyond ones control onto a higher authority and faith alone does not resolve the need, desire, or situation. Rather it allows people to balance their priorities. The illusion that God is in actual physical control is a concept that non-faithful have elevated to proportions that mislead among themselves the very concept. People of faith have the outlet of putting some things uncontrollable into God's hands and allow them to play out knowing full well the outcome will be what it will be; yet with prayer we believe our God does provide.

Something that sums up concept passed me last week that went along the lines of - God does not prevent bad things or good things from happening, but rather all things cause you to be shaped for the better if you intellectually apply Christian principles. This means a death or other tragedy hurts you, but you have to choose your response - by shaping yourself within a set of principles, in this examples those of Christianity then you are shaped.

Christians are misunderstood to be nut cases by nonbelievers. Believers see the human institutions of governance as one that provides what man controls.

Either person, whether of faith or not, follows a complex set of rules in which they live to sort out chaos and give order to their lives.

The very idea people believe who project onto Christians a widely held liberal falsehood that God is in control is to very aptly conclude that you are not a Christian, you do not understand and as a consequence cannot or will not allow your intellect to understand.

40 posted on 11/07/2012 7:12:15 AM PST by Jumper
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To: Utmost Certainty

Dunno, I’d love some suggestions. I had the opportunity to move to Singapore a couple years ago, but I would never think about going permanently.
The US is still the greatest country in the world. I want to move to a state whose citizens are willing to fight for traditional American values. I live in Maryland now and this place is an absolute looney bin.


41 posted on 11/07/2012 10:08:01 AM PST by Ouchthatonehurt
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To: Jumper

So I guess it’s kinda like that old joke, the punchline of which is “then God says, “but I sent you two boats and a helicopter!!”


42 posted on 11/07/2012 6:15:41 PM PST by Notary Sojac (Ut veniant omnes)
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To: Reverend Wright

“the US still offers the greatest opportunity and freedom of any country in the world”

Thank you for your perspective.

No doubt we’re in for some more hard times, but as I see it, obama is going to face trouble for his policies simply because they won’t work, and . . . he’ll either be forced to backtrack on raising the taxes that accommodate the handouts and get eaten alive by his own, or he’ll preside over more failure and have the dems be blamed for years.


43 posted on 11/08/2012 6:42:37 AM PST by Heart of Georgia ("Together we will unite America and get this done" - Paul Ryan - August 11, 2012)
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To: SaraJohnson

“humanists and their ideal of immorality and materialism invaded our churches and hollowed them out, too”

Your post makes me think of the scripture - not the parable, but the ones that speak of leaven as being an evil/corrupt thing - “A little leaven leavens the whole lump.”


44 posted on 11/08/2012 7:04:17 AM PST by Heart of Georgia ("Together we will unite America and get this done" - Paul Ryan - August 11, 2012)
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