Skip to comments.Vanity: I was wrong and I'm done projecting elections
Posted on 11/06/2012 8:49:23 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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Which camp are you in?
So maybe next time we'll get a NBC candidate from at least one side!
Don’t pick on yourself. At least you had the guts to make a stand. Try again in four years.
“Dont feel so bad. Steve Forbes really blew it.”
Forbes and Will are just journalists. We expect them to call what they feel instead of what they know.
No unkind words from me, FRiend. I’d say most of us got this one wrong. I’m genuinely surprised at some of the numbers coming out state-by-state.
I'm with you.
I was wrong.
The losers now outnumber the winners in this country.
We won the popular vote so I can’t agree with that so much.
Just think it over...
(1) Seal up your past and pay lawyers 4 million dollars to keep any scintilla of evidence from being uncovered about who you are, with whom you associate, and what you stand for...
(2) Lie & bloviate like there is no accounting for the words of your mouth...
(3) Use slander and character assassination as a primary tool for "winning"...
(4) Entice your constituencies to vote 3 or 4 times in various venues or even different states...
(5) Use entitlements and government give-a-ways to buy the votes of the permanent underclass....
All the while fomenting racial division and class warfare....
(6) Seduce all of the (MSM) "referees"...
.... turning them into slut-cheerleaders...
.... It makes sense when you take a step back...
God bless America...
basically a tie in the final polls and it shows
Romney likely wins popular vote and Obama the EV...handily actually
I do get consolation over the popular vote
deprives him of mandate
get rid Boehner for God's sake and the fight goes on
but we are gonna have to really fight over the GOP...weak men
Obama will continue to screw up the country and our position in the world and maybe even some of the stupids will listen in 2-4 years
hopefully no SCOTUS folks die
but on Obamacare we lose...and that is worst part
I blame Northern White Liberals first and foremost
single moms third
young people last...they are stupid anyhow for now
blacks have always been a lost cause and get less relevant with each decade
these Mexicans...this is where we have to peel them off the anti white reservation...not sure how
in 2010 whites voted 62% GOP
wonder what happened this time...the white vote is easiest mined but damn man...these northern liberals are just nutty by birth...I don't know how anyone lives up there
oh well...I too am surprised
i figured a dead heat was in our favor
Demography people.....I’ve said over & over you can’t have this level of massive immigration without it backfiring. And yes...too much LEGAL immigration. In any case there’s no going back.
The empty-headed takers in this country - those waiting for their “Obama stash” - will bankrupt it, then riot, loot, and burn the cities they live in because there’s no money left for the government to print or steal from the producers and makers.
European socialism got a beachhead in 2008. It’s solidly entrenched with this election now, and it’s just a matter of time before we look like France and Greece. The problem is, Obama’s agenda has made it virtually impossible for any fiscal conservative ever to win again because no one will vote for someone who threatens to take their gub’mint handouts away. This is, at its heart, what the Marxist/Socialist agenda was from the start: make so many people dependent on government handouts that no one would ever vote for fiscal responsibility again.
Next on the agenda: destroy the rich.
Welcome to the gulag, comrades.
We lost more than an election tonight. We lost the republic.
You were not wrong, you just underestimated the power of the democrat machine. They stole this election. More than likely thru the voting machines controlled by George Soros.
It just isn’t meant to be. I’m one who believed the American people wanted to rise above a subservience posture toward big government and embrace freedom.
Damn, was I wrong...
It’s just a different American landmass in which we live.
You and me both. I’ve been telling everyone, confidently, that this would be a R/R landslide. I’ve never been more wrong about a Presidential Election in my life. No more predicting for me...time for bullets & butter, I fear.
I can’t argue with you there.
Well I read the polls wrong also, cosmically bad job by me.
I find it interesting how Obama is getting JUST enough votes in all the swing states.
No apology needed. All you are guilty of was having some faith in the American people. A people who do not deserve anyone’s faith anymore.
You know what HamiltonJay, you gave me hope in 2008 and you did it in 2012. I’m not discounting what a disaster another 4 years of Obammy is going to be, but there really are only two choices: you move forward (not Obama style over the cliff) or you end it all. Maybe tomorrow I’ll feel like ending it all, but tonight I want to move forward. Thanks for all you did in 2008 and 2012.
Thank you for the kind words. I really believed the polls were fatally flawed, and that the Republican enthusioasm would prevail.
In 2016 the Pubbies had better run a real conservative. If that real conservative doesn't get elected, time to think about splitting up the country. As it stands, the takers now outnumber the producers. All the maladjusted infants who live in mommy's basement playing with their x-boxes 24-7 and hoping for gov. freebies are now in charge.
It’s frustrating, especially because it’s hard to imagine a Republican winning with an economic record like O’s—even if they could partially pawn it off on a predecessor. I think conservatives got caught up focusing on turnout projections and failed to acknowledge the shifting demographics Dems always crow about. Every year the country gets more Hispanic. Every year kids turn 18 holding more liberal social values, if not outright hostility to religion—often replaced by uncritical faith in environmentalism. I think just the plain fact the population is growing period favors the trend toward euro-socialism. These changes are less visible in non-Presidential elections because we can fight it with activist turn out but when it comes to the big show we just run out bodies. Add that to the fact Obama has a strong celeb appeal to low info voters, devoted protection from the bulk of the media, a popular ex-prez to help him campaign while we had to keep Bush in the shed, and a “just tax the rich more” message based on peddling government goodies to people who are less and less likely to concern themselves with how our nation will foot the bill, . Plus booting an incumbent is just hard. Clinton needed Perot’s interference to beat H.W. Bush.
However, don’t forget this thing was still pretty close. Numerous random variables played a role and could have turned it.
But please, no more kooky relligions.
You weren’t wrong, we all saw the huge crowds out there for Romney, tell me this election was fair & square!
No poop. I read through the freeper prediction thread and very few predicted less than 300 EV. I knew that the facts only told us that Romney could squeak by or win somewhat assuredly, or Obama could squeak by. Nothing else was sure.
And I was annoyed because the very few who were unsure or predicted an Obama win were practically castrated for their “negativity.” Everyone did the same here for McCain. There is a difference between factual optimism and pooping rainbow skittles.
Ultimately there is a need for people to do what you and others did. Whether it happens to turn out to be right or not is another matter, but we need those who are willing to stand up and project confidence (backed up by reasonable arguments) that we can win this thing.
Elections often come down to who has more energy. And even though the polls were moving against us at the end, there was a legitimate feeling that our energy, which was helped along by you and others like you, would propel us to victory despite what the pundits were saying. Unfortunately the ground game on the other side really was as strong as they boasted. Of course they probably had to prod a large portion of their people to turn out, while ours were much more eager, but in the end it all counts the same.
As my dad told me, George McGovern had big crowds near the end too.
Anyone else going out to buy guns tomorrow?
That's it basically...there are now a lot more takers than producers. Forty years ago McGovern got stomped running on the same things Obama runs on. Today a president with a truly, horrible record gets re-elected. Things do look bleak for the future. Time to think about a split.
Don’t beat yourself up, FRiend.
It is hard to understand why America would so enthusiastically embrace a total failure of a President. I don’t think any of us expected the D turnout to be as great as it was, but the people have spoken.
The country is in for tough times. I am proud to be fighting shoulder to shoulder with you in the battle.
We will survive and prosper despite the hateful little man in the White House.
Ironically, the people who knew that Romney didn’t have the stones to win were flamed for speaking the truth.
I too think we have lost our country but I am hoping that we conservatives will fight like hell to the very end to make them struggle to destroy it further. WE MUST GET ACTIVE NOW!!!!
You might be right.
I thought the Tea Party/John Galt crowd was the upcoming wave, but now it looks like they were a flash in the pan.
How on Earth can the GOP run a successful campaign once things have changed this deeply?
Here in Oregon we used to elect Republicans now there is no chance in Hell that another Pubbie will ever hold statewide office, I think the same can be said for the nation as a whole, unless we have a total collapse, which probably won’t happen.
We’ll just become another Greece or France...
Damn it, this has been a day from Hell.
Don’t feel bad because you have company. After four years I didn’t think Americans would be that stupid again.
“So flame away. I was wrong, horribly so, so go ahead and take your shots.”
I had seen your earlier posts and observed [what I thought to be at the time] your “irrational exuberance”... :)
But I’m not going to flame you. You made the same mistake as many MANY other members of this forum.
As conservatives, we like to think of ourselves as wiser than the left, but all too often we embrace precepts that are as irrational as theirs, and miss what’s in front of our own eyes.
So, in the spirit of consolation, I’d like to offer you what has become the core of my own personal conservatism:
“Reality is what it is. It is not what we believe it to be.”
Just some words. Maybe don’t mean nuthin’.
But I told you that to tell you this:
Very early in my career as a railroad locomotive engineer, the old timers would tell me something:
“Kid, you got to run the train. You can’t let the train run you....”
Again, just seemed like a play on words — didn’t mean nuthin’.
It took me YEARS and YEARS to realize what they were talking about. Now I know.
So go forth, learn this word-for-word, and every so once in a while, just repeat it to yourself:
“Reality is what it is. It is not what we believe it to be.”
“but I am hoping that we conservatives will fight like hell to the very end to make them struggle to destroy it further. WE MUST GET ACTIVE NOW!!!!”
What’s the use? It’s clear that the cradle-to-grave nanny-staters comprise the majority of the American electorate now. Obama and his minions have snuffed the last light of liberty and the dark pall of tyranny is settling over the land.
The system doesn’t work anymore for the people who work and never will.
It’s all rigged to favor the leeches and takers. When you hear these people talk about business owners they don’t see what they do as a noble endeavor and an expression of freedom: they see business as the “blood bank” for all the lazy-ass bloodsuckers in this nation who believe everyone else owes them a living.
The people who voted for Obama are parasites and parasites do only one thing well: kill the host organism on which they feed. That is the legacy of the Democrat party and this is the nation of bloodsuckers with which their very actions have saddled us.
“Today a president with a truly, horrible record gets re-elected. Things do look bleak for the future. Time to think about a split.”
Time for all the red states in the middle of the country to band together and secede. Make Texas the capitol of a new conservative republic. It’s probably the only way to go now.
Republicans failed to admit and account for voter fraud. Illegals turned out for Obama, big time. Also we had machines changing votes from Romney to Obama in battleground states and dems. in voting multiple times and openly braging about it in social media. We had communists kicking Republican voting observers out in Penn. so they could cheat. What we saw was just the tip of the iceberg.
The GOP likes to pretend voter fraud does not matter just like they pretend liberal racism and public school and university brainwashing does not matter. It’s a huge factor in the communist power structure. The GOP never acknowledged it, challenged it and therefore has not accounted for it.
Lou Barletta, (R-PA 11) lets make him OUR Obama and I know where he was born, right in my hometown and he does know how to play baseball.
The ‘use’ is that I want to live my life with some modicum og grace and dignity. If you give up now then you have surrendered to evil in all its forms.
The Russians have a history of being a slave class. They are willing to just go along with whatever tyrant leads them. I choose NOT to live that way. I will not wear the black crepe of my country on myself. I am a proud American. Only 30% of the folks in 1776 were in favor of leaving the largesse of the king. Thank God that our founders had nerves of steel and were willing to stand tall and do the hard work. Can we now do any less?
If you give up and quit trying then two things are true....1)you have given the left exactly what they wanted. They believe that if you keep at it long enough the conservatives will grow tired and give up. 2) you are no better than the parasites you complain about
We all thank you for being done.
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