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Vanity: Time to stop being down in the dumps and start planning for 2014 and 2016
6 November 2012 | Sola Veritas

Posted on 11/06/2012 8:52:31 PM PST by Sola Veritas

OK...so Obama has won reelection. It will be bad, of that there is NO doubt. However, good can come from this.


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Ridiculous pronoucements in this thread.

If you want to claim conservatism is dead go right ahead but don’t you dare claim it is so because Romney was defeated. He is not and never was a friend to conservatism. He doesn’t have the slightest idea of what it is. you can cite his nomination for an argument but not his general election run. Even then you are on shaky ground because Republican voters have this damn foolish tendency to simply annoint next in line without regard to what they believe.

To the second point you are exactly right. Conservatives don’t form a majority. No shocker there! Hey, newsflash, neither do liberals! The difference is that when your base is happy and excited and voting for YOU and for YOUR stated campaign agenda they are more inclined to work on your behalf in convincing that 10% undecided to lean toward that party instead of the other. Those undecided gravitate to the likeable candidate everyone seems to favor. Tell me the base liked and supported McCain or Romney in any form like Dems do Obama and I’ll call you a liar. So the GOP can keep shoving these guys down out throat and the primary voters can keep marching in line to nominate them but they’ll lose until we’re given better then “at least I’m not that guy”.


151 posted on 11/06/2012 9:29:05 PM PST by Soul Seeker (I will work every day to make Washington, D.C. as inconsequential in your lives as I can - Perry)
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To: IDFbunny
I've been posting / reading FR for hours daily since 2004 and this is the first time I ever remember seeing your screen name.
152 posted on 11/06/2012 9:29:46 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers
We prayed that we could solve this through "the process". That the wisdom of our Founding Fathers would help us carry the day.

The answer is resoundingly "no".

We will continue to play the game. We will continue to lose because THEY don't...

You will learn this as fact. Denial is no longer allowed.

Once this has sunk in, then we can talk solutions.

153 posted on 11/06/2012 9:30:13 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: America_Right
So, thanks for the prayers, but they worked as well as they always do...

So God is a toy dispenser? Deposit a prayer and collect a prize?

Prayer is simply dialogue with God. It is certainly permissible to request favors from God. But we have to realize that sometimes the answer will be, "no." God always knows what's best for us. We don't.

154 posted on 11/06/2012 9:30:25 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Sola Veritas


155 posted on 11/06/2012 9:30:59 PM PST by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: SnakeDoctor
Texas survived one Obama term, and we’ll survive another. The rest of you are screwed.

I am happy to be in Idaho. I think we are in better shape than you guys are in TX. You will be blue in a few years. Your best chance is to secede NOW.

156 posted on 11/06/2012 9:31:32 PM PST by America_Right (I am no longer the 53%. Unemployment sucks! Time to write a book...)
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To: snowstorm12
It’s only going to get worse as the years go on. they have total control of the media.

Including FOX News and they have had it since 2008. Name me one Conservative Host in Prime Time. There isn't one. No not even Beltway Hanity.

157 posted on 11/06/2012 9:31:49 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Alberta's Child

The unemployed who used to work hard will go for conservatism. The unemployed who never really worked and have only sucked the gov’t teat will not. They cannot be weaned in any large numbers, and their numbers have grown too large to control now.


158 posted on 11/06/2012 9:32:06 PM PST by Rokurota
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To: WomBom
I am laying off everyone who is marginal tomorrow. I am now in full defensive mode. You wanted Utopioa? You got it!

Good for you!!!

159 posted on 11/06/2012 9:32:25 PM PST by kevao (Hey, Obama: The 1930s called, they want their economic policy back.)
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To: WomBom
I am laying off everyone who is marginal tomorrow. I am now in full defensive mode. You wanted Utopioa? You got it!

How many do you employ? My business currently has 15 on the payroll, plan to start downsizing to perhaps 9. Another option I'm considering is to close down and liquidate.

160 posted on 11/06/2012 9:32:40 PM PST by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: tennmountainman

hmm, so that’s what you think the 47% is about ~ BTW, that’s not it. And 47% aren’t on the dole.


161 posted on 11/06/2012 9:32:54 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands; All

Hi, E-o-H-h,

I appreciate your well-thought out analysis. I hope you’re right. At some point, I couldn’t take the election coverage anymore and put on a taped ‘Touched by an Angel” and when my husband switched to CNN, I started crying when I saw the results.

There was an earlier poster who mentioned the possibility of a Palin-West ticket in 2016. I dearly hope that is the case. I voted for Sarah—not McCain—in the last election.

Romney, for all his faults, did his best—but the “hopey changey thing” is apparently working for too many Americans with their free government cell phones, etc. And who knows what was going on behind the scenes (fraud, etc.)

It is a dark day in America. I really did not believe this would happen, given the state of the economy.

God bless...


162 posted on 11/06/2012 9:33:24 PM PST by proud American in Canada (Sarah: We need you now, more than ever!)
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To: Sola Veritas

The GOP-E tried to play nice.

The RATS played dirty.

You can’t fight dirty with nice.

Until the GOP figures out how to:

1) Nominate real conservatives

2) Get down in the muck with the RATS and use every tactic (rhetorical or otherwise) available

they/we will continue to lose.

Look at how the RATS poisoned peoples’ minds against “the rich.” The GOP could have countered with a under the radar campaign against “the takers/moochers/looters.” It would work; you know it would. But, they don’t want to soil their hands.

We have to be done listening to them.


163 posted on 11/06/2012 9:33:33 PM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: SnakeDoctor

You got it, SnakeDoctor!

If you aren’t conservative, stay out of Texas....we don’t want you here.


164 posted on 11/06/2012 9:33:59 PM PST by Redcat
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To: Sola Veritas

It does not matter if Romney was conservative or not any longer. He was perceived as conservative. I was already hearing the GOP Elites on FOX tonight saying, “This is what happens when the GOP nominates a conservative.” This is also why I believed we had lost as soon as Romney got the nod. He did not contrast well enough with the Left when people looked at his record.

Planning for the future should wait until emotion dies a bit. Emotion precludes Reason. If the House bends over as expected, all the planning in the world will not turn things around for a long time.


165 posted on 11/06/2012 9:34:15 PM PST by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: tennmountainman

Agreed. The takers will just figure out more and more ways to take from the makers.


166 posted on 11/06/2012 9:34:15 PM PST by Girlene
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To: Notary Sojac
We are confident in GOD... it is man that we do not trust. Our Kingdom is not of this world... we conservative Christians along with most Conservatives... are trying to make the best of this world that we can. HE wanted it that way... until HE is ready to come back.

Like I have said repeatedly tonight... we get 4 more years of holder and obama... obamacare... single payer... death panels... 70% tax rates... no coal or nuclear... 10 trillion in new debt... $10.00 gas... Stock market crashed... dollar devalued... USA Bond rating of B... surrender to mexico and iran and the abandonment of Israel... and the war on whites... yes I said it... the war on whites. Listen to what bob beckel said about their plans for us on Fox tonight. These people intend to destroy us along with America. I do not see how they can be stopped. The political solution is no longer viable... we lost our last election tonight carville was finally right... except there will be nothing left in 40 years.

LLS

167 posted on 11/06/2012 9:34:48 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (OUR GOVERNMENT AND PRESS ARE NO LONGER TRUSTWORTHY OR DESERVING OF RESPECT!)
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To: tennmountainman

Agreed. We will not win the vote again. The takers have won.


168 posted on 11/06/2012 9:34:52 PM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: chris37

Go to bed, will ya? I think that’s about the fifteenth time I’ve heard you give up tonight. We get it. You’re defeated.


169 posted on 11/06/2012 9:34:53 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: SeminoleCounty

” Emphasize sites like FR and others that support and promote real conservative values. Get the word out to others. Alluding to my previous point....I cannot believe there are those in the GOP Media who attack FreeRepublic, WND, Drudge, and some other sites. Hint: A GOP Talker or Media person is not a conservative if they are attacking this site or other conservative sites”

We won’t have this in a year. Don’t you get it? All descent is going to be shut down. The Internet will be regulated. The state run press will be all there is in a year. Valerie Jarrett told us as much.
There will be no way for you to get “your” message to anyone. He gets 2 more SC judges. that’s it. Your guns are gone...any they know you have. You won’t be able to purchase ammo for them after this year. You gonnaa throw rocks at his heavily armed in house militia?
Everything you considered free is about to end. They’re gonna have a party ripping up the constitution, and piss on it’s pieces.
We have NO rights that we can depend on as of today. So this dream of continuing some kind of resistance to these people had better go underground now!


170 posted on 11/06/2012 9:35:19 PM PST by rikkir (Political office should be a sacrifice, not a reward. Do your service and GO HOME!)
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To: cuban leaf

obama is just an acolyte of the antichrist ~ there are always plenty of those folks around.


171 posted on 11/06/2012 9:35:31 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: cuban leaf

OH cuban leaf, thank you THANK YOU for this great word.
I so hope that you will start a thread for all of us believers and help us gear up for the days ahead.

I’ve been a believer for over 60 years. The past 10 is where God has been doing some real refining.

I know we are in for some diffucult days. I think that is why I am heartsick tonight. I had so hoped we could buy some time.

He will return, and I pray it will be soon.

Polly


172 posted on 11/06/2012 9:35:34 PM PST by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: ryan71
Plan what? Our population does not want a conservative. Accept it! I used to think the same thing, that a real conservative could win. Nope. Look around! They don’t want it! They didn’t even want Romney’s half conservative. These people want communism!

Exactly right. Freepers are delusional if they believe otherwise. It's over. We lost. Not just the election, either...

173 posted on 11/06/2012 9:35:58 PM PST by America_Right (I am no longer the 53%. Unemployment sucks! Time to write a book...)
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To: Sola Veritas

Companies employing Union Workers need to start laying off Members starting at the opening of the workday this morning. It the Union balks? Off Shore. It’s time to break the endorsed and funded Union Socalism in the USA.


174 posted on 11/06/2012 9:36:55 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: rikkir
Stuff it troll.

We still have the 1st and 2nd Amendments.

175 posted on 11/06/2012 9:37:31 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Viennacon

—— Romney did not fail. The Republican party did not fail. AMERICA failed.-——

Sadly, you’re right.

We must now focus on survival. We must clan up. Get together with like-minded family members to create a support system. Do not depend on government for anything.

Distance yourself from untrustworthy liberal family members, i.e., potential informants.

Develop skills that can be used in the “cash only” economy.

Pray.


176 posted on 11/06/2012 9:38:04 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Rokurota

The country simply cannot afford the second group. That’s why we’ve been trying so hard to abort them out of existence since 1973.


177 posted on 11/06/2012 9:38:20 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I agree.

We have a blank slate.

Start to build now. Palin 2016.


178 posted on 11/06/2012 9:39:08 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: ansel12
2010 was an HISTORIC election victory for conservatives and the republican party, not just a good year, 2014 is something worth fighting for and definitely winnable.

2010 was what it was. But today 2010 means jack without a follow-up. Did the Tea Party fail? Hell, no! Unless I see some very convincing numbers to the contrary. We turned out strong today. What was stronger, unfortunately, was the additional class of government-dependent voters Obama managed to create in the last four years. The demographic is growing faster than we are.

179 posted on 11/06/2012 9:40:11 PM PST by kevao (Hey, Obama: The 1930s called, they want their economic policy back.)
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To: strider44

Can we finally end this crap about god caring for this country?
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If you think God has NOT blessed us, you need to travel to South America, East Asia, India...

The reason for most of our problems is because WE have SHUT GOD OUT of our culture.


180 posted on 11/06/2012 9:42:03 PM PST by InkStone (Omni Vivum Ex Surfboard)
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To: irishtenor
This isn't business as usual... a tipping point was reached tonight and this will be beyond salvaging. How are you going to deal with a Supreme Court with three new marxist justices sitting in judgment of us all? obamacare... $10.00 gas etc etc etc.

We are an endangered species and the government and the left are perpetrating hate crimes against us and bigotry towards us daily. The only question is... is there anything that can be done? Politics are dead... the gop became obama’s b**ches tonight. Did you see boehner preening and promising bipartisanship tonight. Business as usual... business in America is a dying art. I close mine next year.

LLS

181 posted on 11/06/2012 9:42:04 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (OUR GOVERNMENT AND PRESS ARE NO LONGER TRUSTWORTHY OR DESERVING OF RESPECT!)
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To: Lou Budvis

McDonnell-Sandoval sounds like a good combination.


182 posted on 11/06/2012 9:42:54 PM PST by rfp1234
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To: IDFbunny
5) Doomsday is on Dec 21. ;)

At least we have something to look forward to!

183 posted on 11/06/2012 9:43:35 PM PST by America_Right (I am no longer the 53%. Unemployment sucks! Time to write a book...)
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To: Sola Veritas

The GOP answer will not be more conservatism

it will be Rubio and more pandering and amnesty which got us where we are to begin with


184 posted on 11/06/2012 9:47:03 PM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: irishtenor

But we’ve got a President who doubles down on stupid, gives away the USA in foreign policy, he is as bad as a monkey regarding the debt and running of this country and he is hell bent on socialism.

This time I really have to say it. We’re gone as a nation.
Financially we already have gotten downgraded twice.
We are a dying nation under Democrats, but so many people are on government union employment and the dole that they are willing to ride this pony to death as long as they get theirs all the way down.

There is no concept among many that there is an end to all this.

I’m a realist, this isn’t about emotion, this is logic.

TOAST.

Been voting in five decades and this wasn’t just an election, this was a turning point in History like the beginning of the fall of the Roman empire.

Obama leads, the country burns. The end!


185 posted on 11/06/2012 9:47:53 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Made In The USA; Engraved-on-His-hands; All

“Your 7th point is the most useful and inspiring thing I’ve heard all evening. Thank you for the reminder and God bless you for posting it.”

____________________________________________

Couldn’t agree more!

Btw, I am working on a laptop (not too skilled with the weird laptop mouse!) and finding it particularly challenging because my kids go to school in Quebec and were doing some homework here; they changed it to a French keyboard, so I apologize for any mistakes. I did post something to EoHh a few posts back, and I think we’re talking about the same original post. :)Your 7th point is the most useful and inspiring thing I’ve heard all evening. Thank you for the reminder and God bless you for posting it.

Americans are optimistic! We can’t give up the fight. :)


186 posted on 11/06/2012 9:48:39 PM PST by proud American in Canada (Sarah: We need you now, more than ever!)
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To: America_Right
You will be blue in a few years. Your best chance is to secede NOW.

I disagree - R/R won by 17 here in Texas. Blue is many years away, decades, if at all.

187 posted on 11/06/2012 9:50:27 PM PST by Tuxedo (OK Texas - time to secede now.)
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To: kevao

The one place where the Tea Party brought about an absolute disaster in 2012 (and in 2010, as well) was in the primary races for U.S. Senate seats. There were 23 Democratic seats contested this year, compared to only 10 for the GOP. The Republicans lost some of these key races they never should have lost — mainly because the “Tea Party” candidates were such abject mediocrities (Akin and Mourdock, for example).


188 posted on 11/06/2012 9:53:49 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Soul Seeker
24% of Americans described themselves in the accurate exit polling today as dims... 34% as Conservatives and 40% as self described moderates... and most of them according to Charles Krauthammer are actually dims that are embarrassed to admit it. Unless Conservatism is taught and believed by the candidate... if one does not truly believe in and understand what Reaganism is and was... and if that message is not conveyed in simple and easy to understand terms... then it can never win. The moderates have no idea of what Conservatism is... the 24% that control the media told them that it wasn't good and they believe it.

Also... all of the real hardcore gop/e pundits are stating on Fox that it was the TEA Party and the Conservatives that cost mitt this election... we are unbending and uncompromising and we will not reach out to the center... like the center is anywhere near where the communist bastards reside... and the dim pundits smiled and nodded lovingly in agreement... yeah... we did all that we were asked to do and more... and in return... we first got a knife in the back in the primary... and then the sorry bastards lost our country.

LLS

189 posted on 11/06/2012 9:56:56 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (OUR GOVERNMENT AND PRESS ARE NO LONGER TRUSTWORTHY OR DESERVING OF RESPECT!)
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To: Wpin

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If only Canada was not so cold!

Tough conservatives could thrive and grow strong in western Canada and at least the Great White North had long ago tackled their economic problems

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190 posted on 11/06/2012 9:57:23 PM PST by devolve ( ---- ---- ---- -CHEESEBURGER_CHEESEBURGER_CHEESEBURGER- ---- ---- ---- ---- John Belushi ---- ----)
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To: cherry

You’re correct. The true problem here is that we have a nation that is half populated by mental children. They will now have to learn basic life lessons the hard way. Unfortunately, the rest of us are unwilling passengers along for the ride.

I am so sick of stupid, completely uninformed people. The impending collapse of this economy and of this country that is now a certainty is entirely on their shoulders. From here on I have absolutely no use nor any human compassion, regardless of their circumstances, for any idiot who voted for this debacle.

As many of us have suspected for a long time, this is all headed toward a real physical civil war or at best a split between a coalition of still-American states and the new Marxist confederacy.

I am a Christian, but at this point if I passed a drowning Obama drone I would throw him an anchor. I know it’s wrong to say that, but I don’t expect to soften my stance for a very long time, if ever.

There is a reason that in the Old Testament God frequently directed the Israelites to wipe out entire nations. It was because once a population reaches a critical mass of degeneracy it is impossible to redeem it without destroying it and starting over. It’s akin to removing a cancerous organ to save the rest of the body.

That’s squarely where we are. Obama and the dems will now be hell-bent to open the illegal immigration floodgates, combined with dramatically increased entitlements and it’s game over. That’s been their plan all along, to create a completely dependent majority voting block. We’re there now, and every person who ever allowed their heart to bleed a little for some poor illegal Mexican who “just wanted to do jobs Americans won’t do” is directly responsible for the destruction of America.

The same goes for every woman who ever voted for a Democrat because of an estrogen-driven desire for the government to substitute for her child’s unknown or absent father. Ditto times 1000 for every woman who voted similarly because she wanted to be able to murder her baby without consequences and with a veneer of acceptability (”choice”) to soothe her troubled conscience. I think we made a huge mistake with that whole suffrage thing.

No, there is no recovering from this other than via God’s remedy of destruction and renewal. As I have said for a long time, Obama is not the problem; he is merely a symptom of the problem. The real problem is a completely degenerate and delusional populace. And as Biblical prophecy predicts, God will now turn them over to their degeneracy and let them reap the full consequences. Also as predicted, once they begin to feel the pain of their own actions they will not wake up and acknowledge their sin but will instead shake their fists at God in defiance.

I think we are finally on the precipice of the events laid out in Daniel, Ezekiel, and Revelation. Throwing Israel under the bus will be the final straw with God and I think explains why the U.S. is not mentioned in prophecy. We are about to reap what we have sown.


191 posted on 11/06/2012 10:00:13 PM PST by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Sola Veritas

Stop beating your heads against a brick wall. WE ARE OUTNUMBERED NOW. Simple as that. Remember the Alamo. Fight to the last man.


192 posted on 11/06/2012 10:01:59 PM PST by Hawk54
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To: grey_whiskers

Pound Sand. I’ve been here a lot of years, and donated. Check my posts, I’m no troll.
If you believe the Constitution, or the Bill of Rights is going to mean a thing to the SC judges he appoints, you’re dreaming.
Look what happened with Roberts, and Obamacare. These people don’t give a damn about your now imagined rights. The only rights you have are the ones they tell you to have.
They got away with Fast and Furious. He’s gotten away with everything. He has run roughshod over the Congress, and ruled by executive Order for 4 years. What about todays outcome makes you think any of this is going to matter to those jerks inside the beltway, outside of a hot Civil War now?


193 posted on 11/06/2012 10:03:11 PM PST by rikkir (Political office should be a sacrifice, not a reward. Do your service and GO HOME!)
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As I leave FR for tonight -

I wish this for Cokehead II :

a Golden BB ASAP

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194 posted on 11/06/2012 10:10:07 PM PST by devolve ( ---- ---- ---- -CHEESEBURGER_CHEESEBURGER_CHEESEBURGER- ---- ---- ---- ---- John Belushi ---- ----)
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To: Notary Sojac

Obamas policies have failed. He already owns the results. Not enough people care.

If he somehow doesn’t own anything, and somehow four years was not enough to pin anything on him, why would eight? Why couldn’t he blame whatever’s next on Bush the Younger, same as now?


195 posted on 11/06/2012 10:10:59 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: devolve

“If only Canada was not so cold!

Tough conservatives could thrive and grow strong in western Canada and at least the Great White North had long ago tackled their economic problems”

It will be easy to find nations who have more freedom than this one now. What is not a laughing matter is that I sincerely doubt these tyrants will be satisfied with a European style socialism...they are about power and evil...and with the immense power they have at hand...they will most likely want to wield it. So, getting out has more than one side to it...


196 posted on 11/06/2012 10:12:05 PM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: rikkir
There are MANY steps short of a Civil War.

The House controls ALL spending and tax bills.

And as far as executive orders, there is "Going Galt" as well as civil disobedience; as well as dangers from foreign policy.

I pray that it is not too late for the country, given (for example) the Muslim infiltration into the power structure in DC -- look at what Maj. Hassan got away with before his shooting.

Not to mention a resurgent China, the possibility of the collapse of the dollar, and an nuclear Middle East.

Obama hasn't yet had to face people more ruthless than him -- but if he weakening our defenses leaves the country vulnerable, others will pay the price.

197 posted on 11/06/2012 10:12:30 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Wpin
What is not a laughing matter is that I sincerely doubt these tyrants will be satisfied with a European style socialism..

The same thought crossed my mind tonight. This is ultimately a spiritual battle, and considering liberals' treatment of the Church, I can see where this is heading.

198 posted on 11/06/2012 10:14:28 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Viennacon

Agree. The GOP and Romney did not fail. The Obama voters failed America. It is their fault that Obama won. They voted for him. And they will end up paying a price. This is what we must shout from the rooftops. We must rub it in their faces every day that the coming decline of America is because of THEM. Not even because of Obama, but because THEY voted for him. Every individual American who voted for Obama is responsible.


199 posted on 11/06/2012 10:16:43 PM PST by Hound of the Baskervilles ("Nonsense in the intellect draws evil after it." C.S. Lewis)
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To: muawiyah

I do think that’s what it is about. And I think the next four years of Obama
will enlarge that group. The Takers.
When Reagan was President 84 percent of Americans were working.
16 percent were takers.

47 percent of Americans are on some type of public dole.
And that percent will grow in the next 4 years.
We are out numbered. And it will get worse.


200 posted on 11/06/2012 10:17:00 PM PST by tennmountainman
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