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Posted on 11/06/2012 10:15:36 PM PST by Perdogg

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To: Perdogg
Exit polls indicated the economy was the top concern. Just 25% said they were better off than 4 years ago. And yet they voted for the status quo.

In summary, more morons turned out than rational voters. They believed The Amateur feels their pain. They deserve every bit of the coming collapse.

101 posted on 11/06/2012 11:05:20 PM PST by rfp1234
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To: Utmost Certainty

That’s a great point. I didn’t even think about that. When the economy suffers people want more government action rather than less and hence the problems we face today.


102 posted on 11/06/2012 11:05:33 PM PST by dowcaet
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To: Jane Long

If election for President is fixed, why not fix it so they also win the House? Why would they not do that, and have complete power, ala 2008-2010?

Don’t buy the fixed mantra. If Republicans had won, I guarantee the left-wing sites would also be claiming “fix”.


103 posted on 11/06/2012 11:10:25 PM PST by cydcharisse (`)
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To: LottieDah

I started a business in 2009. For 4 years I have been trying to make it work and I knew I just had to hold on til the election and that the economy would improve and allow for success. I’ve given up tonight. I am going to shutter my doors, and live off my VA... Things are not going to get better in the next 4 years. Call me a moocher, I’ve lost hope. I’m going to stop trying to save my house from foreclosure, and just try to forget I ever had the American Dream


104 posted on 11/06/2012 11:10:25 PM PST by jackal7163 (If you are not willing to achieve victory at any cost, you are doomed to defeat!)
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To: Utmost Certainty

47% are locked-in Dem/Lib voters.

The more that the Left can shackle with government dependency, that number will continue to climb.
When you start out with at least 47% who are not voting for you no matter what, you have a very difficult mountain to climb.


105 posted on 11/06/2012 11:12:02 PM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: FerociousRabbit

So Gallup, Pew and Rasmussen totally blew their estimates of R+3 party ID? Or perhaps the LV vs. RV distinction was bogus.


106 posted on 11/06/2012 11:12:21 PM PST by rfp1234
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To: dowcaet

Lol, I hadn’t thought of it before either. But it clicked when I was reading your post.


107 posted on 11/06/2012 11:14:47 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: tennmountainman
As a conservative, I voted for Mitt Romney here in Tennessee. However, I will not vote for another McCain or Romney.

As I've said to other Freepers before, we are a fringe phenom. According to Alexa.com, freerepublic accounts for 0.025% of web traffic. RINO's will always win red states. The problem they have is winning swing states. Back in the day, Clinton and Gore were considered DINO's. And that's why they won both 1992 and 1996 - because they won some swing states in the South. We need the reverse strategy to win swing states in the North.

The real truth about this election is the ever growing takers beat the Makers. And the takers will only grow in the next 4 years. I will leave it to you moderates to carry the water in the future. Me... I will continue stocking up for the coming collapse. Greece is Coming to America sooner than later.

I'm an extreme conservative who believes that capital punishment should be mandatory for murder so that 100% of homicide perps are executed instead of the current rate of 1%. I also believe capital cases should have a special judicial track so that arrest to trial to conviction to appeals to execution should take no more than 3 years - what they were back before the 1960's.

I'm also realistic. The world around us has changed. Between freebies and their stance on social issues, Democrats have succeeded in locking up close to 50% of the electorate. We need pols who can pry loose a small number of their coalition. We can do it by either adopting big government or loosening our stance on social issues. It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of RINO's are RINO's out of political necessity.

108 posted on 11/06/2012 11:16:50 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Perdogg
The new citizens from Mexico and other countries who wanted something, that is what happened tonight!
109 posted on 11/06/2012 11:17:32 PM PST by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Jmouse007
Well Spoken, thank you and Bless you in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

I don't know just how Matthew 24 fits for this moment, but there is something there to heed, vs 22 says: “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened".

I sense the Lord is working and something is beginning to happen. I mourn for those that are not, will not be ready.

We definitely are in a Spiritual Battle, and it is not going to be pleasant. Time for some to dust off that BIBLE and start reading.

110 posted on 11/06/2012 11:17:41 PM PST by annieokie
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To: Jmouse007

+1000


111 posted on 11/06/2012 11:18:37 PM PST by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: SengirV

Throw the “social zealots” under the bus and your theoretical gains from the fags, fruits, and nuts will not come close to the loss of Conservative base.


112 posted on 11/06/2012 11:19:01 PM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
It all depends on what she does next. Right now, the GOP is on the wrong side. We are selling off factories and firing people. Not the way to win elections. We need to be on the side of progress. How Palin goes about that, will make all the difference. After a suitable time, perhaps she can join forces with the most recent VP. The two of them would be a powerful team. IMHO.

There's a good chance we'll see an economic crash before 2016. If that happens, we *might* see some kind of hope for a conservative pairing for the White House. We'll see. In the past 12 years, we've doubled the national debt. We might be reaching the limits of our debt capacity, especially with Obamacare about to go online.

113 posted on 11/06/2012 11:21:03 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Perdogg

The shallow and unfulfilling end of the pool looks better than the sea of opportunity and challenge.


114 posted on 11/06/2012 11:22:55 PM PST by Professional
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To: jackmercer

We are still counting votes, but wasn’t turnout for this election almost 14 million less than 2004?

What are the demographics on those who stayed home?

This also went against anecdotal evidence of huge voter turnout.


115 posted on 11/06/2012 11:25:20 PM PST by sockhead (Socialism: trickle up poverty.)
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To: SengirV

“5% of the Latino vote went to Obama. 93+% of the black vote went for Obama. I’m not sure about the female vote, but that went for Obama as well.”

Solution...maybe.....Marco Rubio and Mia Love.

“Start by kicking the bedroom police arm of the GOP to the curb.”

It is bad enough that we have walked away from G-d s much as we have, it will not make things better to further add insult to any injury our nation has inflicted on His blessings to our nation.


116 posted on 11/06/2012 11:27:34 PM PST by GLH3IL (Slainte Mhath)
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To: TheBattman
Factor in the muzzies, that have come to America to BREED, there in itself is the American Future. Think about it for awhile, let it sink in, they will dominate, and the Politicians and Media will happily usher it in with tolerance speak.

When they multiply and dominate, those 47%er's and the Media will be hollering like stuck pigs, useful idiots will be eliminated first. It will happen and with the blessings of Obama.

We could change things if it were not for the muslim factor, but it is to late now.

117 posted on 11/06/2012 11:35:50 PM PST by annieokie
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To: annieokie
I wept, writing those words. It grieves my heart to say these things and to see what has become of our beloved country and to see God remove His hand of protection and blessing from America. The evil, wicked, dictator God has imposed upon us, and the utter shame and degradation which God has allowed to fester and cover the land from the top down, as a direct result of our rejection of Him and His Christ.

America is "Ichabod", ...the Lord has departed. That said, God is in control; all of this was prophesied and we are seeing it fulfilled before our very eyes.

Nevertheless, not my will, but thy will be done, on earth, as it is in Heaven. Even so, come Lord Jesus.

118 posted on 11/06/2012 11:37:22 PM PST by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from evil, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: Perdogg
Reasons for the apocalypse

White northern liberals

latinos...up 5% for Obama this time over 2008...that is the key turd in the punchbowl

whites up 4% from 2008 but down 4% from 2010

Jews...same old same old...libs..70% this time down only 4 points from last time ..a lost cause..don't get me started

Catholics..same old crap...less than 2008 but still a majority voted for the Kenyan..amazing...he shat on them for 4 damned years

Young folks...better actually...60% this time but 66% last time...hope there I guess

blacks...why waste brain cells even thinking about it...they sure don't

bottom line is that:

Dixie whites and Indiana and Pioneer West cannot do it anymore...this was our Alamo or Dunkirk or Khartoum or Dien Bien Pu...whatever

unless we could miraculously here forward get that 62% of whites to vote GOP we will lose

minorities vote anti white and for redress and entitlement

folks here need to get used to that and pasty white southern baptist Rubio and his gorgeous blonde gringa Colombian wifey ain't gonna fix jack

Mexicans hate Cubans and Colombians too actually

the future no doubt lies in shifting Indian DNA latinos and northern white lefties to our team

i have no idea how to do that without going left ourselves

a real war might help

a worse economy...highly possible with assclown reelected

i cannot believe how all this has collapsed so quick....it started with the Immigration reform in 1965

but the real meat came in the 90s after the Reagan amnesty and then the Dems and GOP embraced allowing in all these folks to out vote us

in 1980...if 53% of whites had voted Democrat.. Carter would have won

nothing will ever be the same again....I feel like I took about 1000 mikes of Owsley yesterday and I'm plodding thru the foggy aftermath

a brave new world indeed

119 posted on 11/06/2012 11:38:30 PM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: Perdogg

We got Bitch Slapped.

You didn’t feel it?


120 posted on 11/06/2012 11:41:10 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Jmouse007

Thank you Jmouse007. This nation continues to shake a defiant fist at Almighty God, Who will not be mocked.


121 posted on 11/06/2012 11:56:11 PM PST by line drive to right
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To: Crimson Elephant; Perdogg
I don’t think I have ever seen an election go so far against the anecdotal evidence

That right there was the problem. Anecdotal evidence. Many FReepers believed it would be a landslide against Obama based on what they could see and hear and feel. However, the main problem with that approach is that it is a closed loop. It's the same thing I said in 2008 - where, again, people were saying how they know no one who is voting for Obama.

Well, your system is a closed loop. Chances are your friends will have the same political alignment that you have (people tend to be your friends because if shared beliefs), your family will tend to believe the same, and even at your workplace most people you interact with will have similar views. A closed loop system that reinforces whatever it is one believes. If you like the Raiders chances are those you associate with will also prefer the Raiders. If you hate Subarus ....if you like going rafting on weekends ....if you thoroughly enjoy plinking at targets ....etc.

By basing anecdotal evidence as a veritable source of analyzing the general feel of the electorate a lot of people gave themselves the wrong perception.

I said this in 2008, but this election cycle I didn't say a word. Why? Because it would have made people who joined years after I did claim that I was a troll. I saw it happen to some people (although many totally deserved the admonishment). The US electorate is divided into three camps - 47% are Dem and will not vote any other way. 47% are Republican (oh, and there is a HUGE difference between a Republican and a Conservative) and will not vote any other way. It is the third group, the undecideds, who shift things. Now - how could someone be undecided at a time like this when the country is in peril? Because they are drowned in apathy and simply couldn't care. Which is why Benghazi would have meant nothing ....dead Americans, who are soldiers, don't register to them much (it would have to be a domestic terrorist attack to make them react beyond simply saying 'tsk tsk how sad' and go back to eating their morning bagel).

Anyways - we here at FR are in a closed loop system (so are the silly people at DU). What we think and believe is not aligned with the greater public, and for that matter our views as Conservatives is not aligned with that of the GOP (who are Republicans, and a 1960s Democrat is actually far more conservative than a modern Republican).

122 posted on 11/07/2012 12:27:24 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Jmouse007
Jmouse: Many, many Christians and backsliding Christians are in tears tonight as we ponder what all this means.

I believe that many will discover and re-discover the joy of knowing our Lord Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour. I mean really knowing HIM.

We may be looking at the greatest Revival we have ever witnessed to begin, and many will seek some local Church, get involved and prepared for the Lords return. I pray for that.

I have viewed many of these type of threads on FR tonight, and take delight and comfort form all. We definately need to have one going every day now. We cannot save America any longer, all we have left to look forward to is our Eternal Life.

Peace be with you.

123 posted on 11/07/2012 12:29:43 AM PST by annieokie
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To: SengirV
A “true” conservative would have won how much of the black and Latino vote to make up the difference?

Cain would have won. The dems were so afraid of him they sent Alred after him. Took him out.

124 posted on 11/07/2012 12:35:53 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: wardaddy

Nothing much really changed between 2008 and 2012. Both elections the Dems ran Obama. In 2012 the Republicans ran a younger and better looking RINO that got a couple of more states then McCain. What else would you expect ?


125 posted on 11/07/2012 12:42:19 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: cydcharisse
If election for President is fixed, why not fix it so they also win the House? Why would they not do that, and have complete power, ala 2008-2010?

The better question is why did the Republicans gain in the house but lose the Senate and Presidency. Obviously any fixing was targeted. They have proved the past 4 years they only need the Senate and Presidency. They have already compromised the Supreme Court. Ask yourself why Indiana made such a swing against Obama, but Ohio, Wisconsin and Florida did not ?

126 posted on 11/07/2012 12:50:40 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

what did I expect..even though Romney was my next to last choice?

i thought basically tied polls would favor us given Dems were oversampled...or hoped so anyhow

as did some folks smarter than me

we were wrong ...over sampling for Dems was..well..accurate

they were 6%+ of the electorate tonight

down from i think about 3-4 points from 2008 but not enough eh?

the real sadness here for me is that aside from lightning strikes like 2010 when whites voted 62% GOP nationally

there is no hope really and that just goes downhill from here given our open door policy the past 40 years and low white birthrate

it’s not complicated..and we did it to ourselves


127 posted on 11/07/2012 12:51:30 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: Zhang Fei

We just ran two back to back RINOS against Obama and both lost. They cannot win. Cain would have won.


128 posted on 11/07/2012 12:54:35 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: wardaddy

The problem with that theory is you assume that Latinos and Blacks that vote liberal will never become conservatives. Some of them will given a good choice. Do you think Cain would have lost ? Heck, Perry could have done at least as good as Romney.


129 posted on 11/07/2012 1:00:26 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
it's damned late foolio...the ship has sailed

we lost the demographics

when I was a boy many years ago in the 70s folks said when blacks made money they would get conservative

other non whites too

wrong wrong wrong

they all vote against what they view as the dominant white and sometimes white Christian culture..

they think we did something to them and we owe them or maybe they just don't like us

but we are out time to change them now

in the case of latinos and orientals it's going the other way

and Jews...I mean...Obama was been openly hostile to Israel and bad for the economy and yet they only slipped 4 points

why...they fear or hate Christians views more than anything else..even Islam

we live in a culture of victims...anyone but white Christians

I'm southern white Christian...I could apologize for that all day long if I wanted...even here

this is how far the country has collapsed

lol...you think what you want...no stats whatsoever support your contentions

130 posted on 11/07/2012 1:30:59 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: justa-hairyape

Florida is the state I would suspect fraud the most. Everything pointed to Romney winning there. Most reliable state polls gave him a safe lead.


131 posted on 11/07/2012 1:33:55 AM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: comebacknewt

Time to put your family flag above your country flag.


132 posted on 11/07/2012 2:07:02 AM PST by oblomov
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To: Crimson Elephant

I attribute it to the Billion dollars Acorn Got from the Stimulus Package to run a 4 Year reelection Campaign. Thats right we Financed this debacle


133 posted on 11/07/2012 2:57:10 AM PST by ballplayer
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To: justa-hairyape
We just ran two back to back RINOS against Obama and both lost. They cannot win. Cain would have won.

Let me get this straight. Akin and Mourdock, two Tea Party candidates, can't even win in Missouri and Indiana, both of which went for Romney by 10% margins, but you think a conservative Akin- or Mourdock-type candidate could have won the presidency. While I wish that were true, I'm gonna bow to recent experience and say it's unlikely.

At the same time, I see your point. I think conservatives need a wake-up call about what is possible. We need to nominate a straight-up conservative ticket in 2016 and see where that takes us. If we re-run 2008's complete wipeout, it will lead the more intransigent among us to understand that you can't go home again.

Politics is the art of the possible. What is possible in red states is different from what is possible in swing states. If we require multiple shellackings at the polls to accept this basic principle, so be it.

Am I being defeatist? All I can say is that the Founding Fathers understood that democracy is a death spiral. Once the property requirement was removed from the franchise, ambitious politicians began buying indigent votes with other people's money. Reagan's failure to dismantle the Education Department one year into its existence shows that the death spiral doesn't stop even for the nimblest of politicians. Ultimately, we, the people, have pointed a pistol at our collective head. Every program the Dems gin up gets us in deeper. I just want to stand athwart history, yelling stop. Unfortunately, it just keeps hurtling into the abyss.

134 posted on 11/07/2012 3:40:10 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Well I agree, but disagree. I don’t think the electorate has changed that much and I suspect in 2014 it will be back to a D+2 as the GOP makes gains in the Senate and House again.. However our problem is a lack of ground game in battleground states and this election proved it. When Obama won in 2008 he did not pull up stakes and go home... he paid for those election offices and Dem operatives to stay in place and get ready for 2012. Until the GOP can put together a similar apparatus we will wind up with the same results.

Yancy


135 posted on 11/07/2012 3:48:10 AM PST by gallandro1
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To: LottieDah

Lottie,Sorry to hear about your home. I’ve never experienced that, thank the Lord. I hope you have resources to recover.

As for our nation, I reckon one spanking didn’t straighten our attitude out. Sometimes it takes more than one sore bottom. Sometimes the kid just turns out to be a shiftless bum and never makes anything of himself. It’s a shame so many good folk are getting pulled down at the same time.


136 posted on 11/07/2012 4:33:47 AM PST by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Between freebies and their stance on social issues, Democrats have succeeded in locking up close to 50% of the electorate.

I'm afraid you are correct. I'm as pro-life as they come, and I hate to admit it, but I think the phony "war on women" really worked.

I was shocked to find so many women, including women who are very active in my church (I'm a Catholic) told me there was no way they would vote for someone who would take away a woman's right to choose.

More than shocked. I was sickened.

137 posted on 11/07/2012 4:39:00 AM PST by ConservativeLawyer (America needs God's blessings)
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To: ConservativeLawyer
I'm afraid you are correct. I'm as pro-life as they come, and I hate to admit it, but I think the phony "war on women" really worked. I was shocked to find so many women, including women who are very active in my church (I'm a Catholic) told me there was no way they would vote for someone who would take away a woman's right to choose. More than shocked. I was sickened.

There may be another factor involved. I've been hearing that Obama got 2.5m fewer votes than Bush in 2004. I've also heard anecdotally from freepers that Romney had no ground game - Obama had paid staffers doing GOTV whereas Romney used volunteers exclusively. He should have hired Rove, the GOTV expert, as a consultant. I guess he's used to knowing everything. Sometimes being too smart is a handicap. Romney not only wanted to win, he wanted to win his way - via ad blitzes. If he had done it Rove's way, he would have won. One thing GWB had going for him was humility - not the kind where you say you are humble, but actually defer to the experts. (Of course, given GWB's sparse resume - while far superior to Gore's, Kerry's or Obama's - he had much to be humble about, relative to GHWB).

138 posted on 11/07/2012 4:48:11 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: annieokie
In the LORD I take refuge; How can you say to my soul, "Flee as a bird to your mountain;

For, behold, the wicked bend the bow, They make ready their arrow upon the string To shoot in darkness at the upright in heart.

If the foundations are destroyed, What can the righteous do?"

The LORD is in His holy temple; the LORD'S throne is in heaven; His eyes behold, His eyelids test the sons of men.

The LORD tests the righteous and the wicked, And the one who loves violence His soul hates.

Upon the wicked He will rain snares; Fire and brimstone and burning wind will be the portion of their cup.

For the LORD is righteous, He loves righteousness; The upright will behold His face.

--Psalm 11:1-7

139 posted on 11/07/2012 4:55:12 AM PST by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from evil, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Carl Rove was “working” for the Romnay campaign through his American Crossroads super PAC. The problem is all of these third party organizations are great at ramping up voter turnout in the final push toward the election, but they are no substitute for firmly entrenched party organizations who employee people to go out an meet local constituents and build a base within a precinct.

I live in an area of Phoenix with a changing demographic that is becoming more Hispanic and younger, but I have the same old white dude who only comes around once every two years to give me a party handout telling me how I should vote. If the party was smart, they would find a younger, more energetic, true believer who can articulate a conservative message and would be willing to go door to door and meet folks and talk with them about issues that affect them. They should be out there looking for new families that move into the neighborhood and preaching them the gospel of fiscal and social conservatism an how it can benefit their families.

Oh, and all future candidates should be able to pass a simple “foot in mouth” test... quit yapping if you cannot articulate your position on conservative social issues well.


140 posted on 11/07/2012 5:00:10 AM PST by gallandro1
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To: Zhang Fei
I've also heard anecdotally from freepers that Romney had no ground game

I'm not sure I agree with you there. I haven't seen the turnout numbers, but it is hard for me to imagine an improved ground game squeezing out more votes for Romney.

He should have hired Rove

The liberals would have had a field day with that. A direct link back to W.

I saw Romney repeatedly slandered in social media and there was no response. If I tried to point out how the post was untrue, I would be viciously attacked. Facts don't matter.

Image does.

141 posted on 11/07/2012 5:03:54 AM PST by ConservativeLawyer (America needs God's blessings)
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To: Zhang Fei
I've also heard anecdotally from freepers that Romney had no ground game

I'm not sure I agree with you there. I haven't seen the turnout numbers, but it is hard for me to imagine an improved ground game squeezing out more votes for Romney.

He should have hired Rove

The liberals would have had a field day with that. A direct link back to W.

I saw Romney repeatedly slandered in social media and there was no response. If I tried to point out how the post was untrue, I would be viciously attacked. Facts don't matter.

Image does.

142 posted on 11/07/2012 5:03:54 AM PST by ConservativeLawyer (America needs God's blessings)
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To: Zhang Fei
I've also heard anecdotally from freepers that Romney had no ground game

I'm not sure I agree with you there. I haven't seen the turnout numbers, but it is hard for me to imagine an improved ground game squeezing out more votes for Romney.

He should have hired Rove

The liberals would have had a field day with that. A direct link back to W.

I saw Romney repeatedly slandered in social media and there was no response. If I tried to point out how the post was untrue, I would be viciously attacked. Facts don't matter.

Image does.

143 posted on 11/07/2012 5:03:55 AM PST by ConservativeLawyer (America needs God's blessings)
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To: gallandro1
Carl Rove was “working” for the Romnay campaign through his American Crossroads super PAC. The problem is all of these third party organizations are great at ramping up voter turnout in the final push toward the election, but they are no substitute for firmly entrenched party organizations who employee people to go out an meet local constituents and build a base within a precinct.

I live in an area of Phoenix with a changing demographic that is becoming more Hispanic and younger, but I have the same old white dude who only comes around once every two years to give me a party handout telling me how I should vote. If the party was smart, they would find a younger, more energetic, true believer who can articulate a conservative message and would be willing to go door to door and meet folks and talk with them about issues that affect them. They should be out there looking for new families that move into the neighborhood and preaching them the gospel of fiscal and social conservatism an how it can benefit their families.

I'm gonna have to agree. If the GOP doesn't get a grassroots organization together real quick, it is going to lose the next generation of voters. It's expensive to do, but then again, so are drive-by ad blitzes during election season. I still can't believe Obama matched Romney on campaign spending. Where are the wealthy plutocrats who supposedly fund the GOP? Why are they such cheapskates?

144 posted on 11/07/2012 5:07:04 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Sorry about the triple post. I’m not sure what happened there. I swear I hit the post button only once! :)


145 posted on 11/07/2012 5:08:38 AM PST by ConservativeLawyer (America needs God's blessings)
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To: neverbluffer

Ronald Reagan could not win today. Being conservative has nothing to do with this. If issues had anything to do with this Obama would be going to his mansion in Hawaii instead this screwed up country want to give this worst president in US history four more years to do more damage.


146 posted on 11/07/2012 5:20:11 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: ConservativeLawyer; gallandro1
Sorry about the triple post. I’m not sure what happened there. I swear I hit the post button only once! :)

Gremlins, I'm sure.

One other freeper mentioned Democratic party-building efforts as a factor in 2012:

Carl Rove was “working” for the Romnay campaign through his American Crossroads super PAC. The problem is all of these third party organizations are great at ramping up voter turnout in the final push toward the election, but they are no substitute for firmly entrenched party organizations who employee people to go out an meet local constituents and build a base within a precinct.

I live in an area of Phoenix with a changing demographic that is becoming more Hispanic and younger, but I have the same old white dude who only comes around once every two years to give me a party handout telling me how I should vote. If the party was smart, they would find a younger, more energetic, true believer who can articulate a conservative message and would be willing to go door to door and meet folks and talk with them about issues that affect them. They should be out there looking for new families that move into the neighborhood and preaching them the gospel of fiscal and social conservatism an how it can benefit their families.

My response:

I'm gonna have to agree. If the GOP doesn't get a grassroots organization together real quick, it is going to lose the next generation of voters. It's expensive to do, but then again, so are drive-by ad blitzes during election season. I still can't believe Obama matched Romney on campaign spending. Where are the wealthy plutocrats who supposedly fund the GOP? Why are they such cheapskates?

147 posted on 11/07/2012 5:22:14 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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I’ll just point out that Romney was so contemptuous of ordinary voters that he didn’t even bother to organize a ‘boots on the ground’ operation in Iowa and let Ron Paulestinians take over the Iowa GOP.


148 posted on 11/07/2012 5:23:12 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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I’ll just point out that Romney was so contemptuous of ordinary voters that he didn’t even bother to organize a ‘boots on the ground’ operation in Iowa and let Ron Paulestinians take over the Iowa GOP.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Romney simply does not understand retail politics. And that is why he lost in 2012.

149 posted on 11/07/2012 5:29:39 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

That and his message of ‘socialism lite’ did him in.

Once it’s established that it’s good for people to get stuff they haven’t earned, why would anyone ever vote to get less ‘free’ stuff?

And the switch of Catholics from majority Democrat to majority Republican didn’t happen either.


150 posted on 11/07/2012 6:13:50 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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