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Posted on 11/06/2012 10:15:36 PM PST by Perdogg

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To: tennmountainman
Romney WAS the RINO on the ticket. Didn’t need another.

RINOs have no problem winning red states. McCain and GWB certainly did.

51 posted on 11/06/2012 10:36:02 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: null and void

No - there were 4 years after 2008 to build a bench and layout a good message. Conservatives just didn’t - they assumed that voters would see through the Obama mess. Voters just didnt


52 posted on 11/06/2012 10:36:54 PM PST by bob_esb
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To: Crimson Elephant

“I don’t think I have ever seen an election go so far against the anecdotal evidence.”

That is exactly the problem right there. Lots of people here fell into the same trap dems fell into in 2004. They believed in a mythical momentum because they refused to look outside their normal sources and were positive Kerry would win.

If you look at my post history, I used the lessons of 2010 where Gallup and Rasmussen screwed with the party ID numbers and were consequently waaay off on the final.

The point is, don’t put faith in anecdotes. Put faith in social science, statistics and data. Nate Silver was dead on on every single thing he projected and it was disbelief or denial to ignore that data when all he was doing was crunching numbers, not rallying a liberal cause.

I tried to call out Drudge as a Baghdad Bob, Michael Barone as a snakoil salesman and Gallup and Rasmussen as arrogant pollsters who had no business screwing with party ID numbers that are and always have been FLUID, NOT static.

The polls and Nate Silver identified that the white vote would be 72% of the electorate this year, 2 less than 2008 and 4 less than 2004. Gallup predicted 78%...they bent the data!

All the while the black vote remained 13% and the hispanic share of the electorate has increased 2 to 3 points each election cycle. All the mainstream polls stated this and no one here would believe it no matter how loud we yelled. The whole demographics are not in our favor is not anecdotal, it is real and we have devastating evidence of it tonight. We have GOT to find a way to deal with this fact as a party or forget about a party altogether and start anew.


53 posted on 11/06/2012 10:37:03 PM PST by jackmercer
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To: SengirV

I disagree with that statement 100%..

I still say we didnt nominate a true Conservative. Romney had so much ammunition to kill the O campaign and played it too safe. Just like Mccain did...


54 posted on 11/06/2012 10:37:05 PM PST by neverbluffer
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To: Perdogg

What happened is that your state, along with Maryland has prospered off the sweat of the rest of us. Virginia is one big welfare queen.


55 posted on 11/06/2012 10:37:06 PM PST by gusty
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To: comebacknewt
Never mind. I forgot what is enough when I posted:

It is enough that the people know there was an election.
The people who cast the votes decide nothing.
The people who count the votes decide everything. ~ Joseph Stalin

56 posted on 11/06/2012 10:38:36 PM PST by null and void (Day 1386 of the Obama hostage crisis - Barack Hussein Obama an enemy BOTH foreign AND domestic)
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To: Perdogg

Simple really. The looters and moochers apparently retained enough of a sense of shame to keep quiet about their political predilections but were still venal enough to follow through with them. On second thought, maybe it was more guile than shame. I fear the only way out now is systemic collapse. We may have to literally starve off the ticks if we’re ever to be free of them again. They’ll certainly not voluntarily vote themselves smaller pensions and fewer benefits, or lower salaries. Not out of shame at bleeding the rest of us dry. Not out of concern over the debasement of a once great currency. Nope, they’ll suck our blood till they hit the marrow and then try for a bite of that. They must be destroyed root and branch.


57 posted on 11/06/2012 10:38:36 PM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: Perdogg

massive voter fraud, along with foreign money is destroying this country...purposely! UNLESS this is somehow undone....
and all co-conspirators are reviled,we are in for very bad times. If most thought that the country was divided, they have just witnessed the break......


58 posted on 11/06/2012 10:39:11 PM PST by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Zhang Fei

Last time I checked McCain lost. Did I miss something?


59 posted on 11/06/2012 10:39:45 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Trod Upon
Simple really. The looters and moochers apparently retained enough of a sense of shame to keep quiet about their political predilections but were still venal enough to follow through with them.

They're not all moochers. I know a number of independents who don't like the GOP's stands on social issues. They're also well-off enough that taxes are less of an issue than those stands.

60 posted on 11/06/2012 10:40:50 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: expat1000

The smart guys putting their money where their mouths are knew the true character of the American people, true moochers, losers, and cretins. When you are laying out real money there is no time for fantasies of hard working virtuous people roaming the fruited plain. What you see is evident in every Walmart from coast to coast, fat, lazy, slobs.


61 posted on 11/06/2012 10:41:21 PM PST by gusty
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To: svcw

Same thing as in 2008. “Purist” swine get together and form a coalition of leftists, jihadists and nazists to defeat the hated GOP. That was a group led by a Libertarian known as “John Deere”, and they earlier (late 2003) set up the AQ insurgency in Iraq.

You sectarians have always been Hanoi Janes.


62 posted on 11/06/2012 10:41:41 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: Perdogg
Bill O'Reilly was right: the people will vote for whoever will give them free stuff.

Face it: we now live in a nation of freeloaders who hate us. The American people are obviously tired of having to decide things for themselves and want a king to take care of everything. That king is the government, taking more and more from the rich to hand it over to the "poor" (after passing through the government's hands first, of course).

What they do not realize, but will only after it's too late, is that there will be fewer and fewer rich to take from, as the rich will either work out tax laws to their benefit or leave the US. And then where will the American people be? Sitting on a pile of natural resources they will have neither the will nor the means to defend.

63 posted on 11/06/2012 10:41:46 PM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Perdogg

Like an archer who wounds everyone,
So is he who hires a fool or who hires those who pass by.
11 Like a dog that returns to its vomit
Is a fool who repeats his folly

Prov 26


64 posted on 11/06/2012 10:43:19 PM PST by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: bob_esb
And that, sir, is precisely HOW we earned our Darwin Award.
65 posted on 11/06/2012 10:43:33 PM PST by null and void (Day 1386 of the Obama hostage crisis - Barack Hussein Obama an enemy BOTH foreign AND domestic)
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To: Perdogg

I think the only really way to know is to go congressional district by congressional district and look at turnout and who won. I think if you do that for FL, CO, OH, VA, you will see where this election turned.

I agree it is hard to understand why Romney was not able to turn more than IN and NC, pending FL of course. For example in VA Romney had to close about a 225,000 vote gap. He closed the GAP to 62,000 votes. In 2008 there were 3.7ish million votes. This year it is about 3.5ish million votes. As of what I can find now, Romney has not topped the vote total in VA of McCain. So was his ground game now what it was cracked up to be? The Obama vote in VA is down about 150,000 votes, but again Romney is 25,000 below McCain leaving the GAP. So where did that happen? Where was the turn out low?


66 posted on 11/06/2012 10:44:06 PM PST by JLS
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To: tennmountainman
Last time I checked McCain lost. Did I miss something?

He won the red states by large margins. Palin lost him the swing states. I like her personally, but she has no influence outside of hardcore conservatives. She's also got lousy political judgment. Her 2010 Angle and McDonnell endorsements cost us two senate seats we could have won.

67 posted on 11/06/2012 10:44:28 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: FerociousRabbit

Nail on the head. What we thought as conservatives to be a bad thing was aspired to by the slobs who are the majority in this once great country.


68 posted on 11/06/2012 10:44:39 PM PST by gusty
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To: brightright

Yep


69 posted on 11/06/2012 10:44:53 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Perdogg

A legitmate question. Poll after poll showed Romney leading with independents. Also, McCain received 59 million votes 4 years ago, will Romney even get that? I guess now we can finally realize that crowd sizes dont matter, and yard signs...all that anecdotal crap doesnt matter.


70 posted on 11/06/2012 10:45:40 PM PST by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: Perdogg
What happened? = America is under the direct judgment of Almighty God, that's what happened and will continue to happen.

Some are already playing the blame game but the reality is: The problem with the results of this election do not rest with Romney, nor Ryan, Barone or Morris. Romney and Ryan are honorable and good men (as men count goodness)and they ran an admirable, hard-fought campaign.

The problem rests with us, it is one of the heart and soul of America itself. We have forsaken Christ, and forsaken His Word. God did not have mercy and deliver us. I believe we are under the judgment of Almighty God as a direct result of our ongoing lawlessness, ungodliness and sin. He has given America over to our sin and degradation (cf. Romans 1:18-32)and we have reached the tipping point of no return as a nation. I do not want to say these things, it breaks my heart because I, along with millions of other believers love America, but God is not mocked:

"Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. Let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we will reap if we do not grow weary. So then, while we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith. (Galatians 6:7-10) As a man sows, so shall he reap and we are reaping now what we have sown. Pray because at this point, the very existence and future of our nation rests in the hands and predetermined will of God. Romney, Ryan, no mere man or party can save America and her people, only the Lord Jesus Christ.

If the outcome of this elections stands (and it appears it has) and Obama gains reelection (and it appears he has), we are about to enter the refining crucible of Almighty God as a result of our sin and God's divine judgment as a nation and as individuals. The key is to know and stay close to/walk with the Lord Jesus in the midst of it all and to stay faithful to Him because things are going to get very bad from here on out. This was prophesied in the Word of God and we are privileged to see these harrowing events come to pass: "As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be at the coming of the Son of Man." (cf. Luke 17:26-33)

Those of us who know the Lord Jesus must follow the injunction to: "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not unto your own understanding, in all your ways acknowledge Him and He shall make your path straight." Proverbs 3:5-6

Take heart, and find your hope and strength in the Lord Jesus Christ because He is coming back sooner than many people are willing to recognize or accept. Maranatha!

71 posted on 11/06/2012 10:46:26 PM PST by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from evil, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: jeffc

Tax the rich,
feed the poor,
‘til there are
no rich no more

I’d love to change the world...


72 posted on 11/06/2012 10:46:30 PM PST by null and void (Day 1386 of the Obama hostage crisis - Barack Hussein Obama an enemy BOTH foreign AND domestic)
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To: FerociousRabbit

Yes, we have voted ourselves into Socialism. We have voted ourselves into destruction.

We got exactly the government we voted for.


73 posted on 11/06/2012 10:46:38 PM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: ravinson

“The Mayans were right!”

I sure hope so. I am looking forward to December whatever it is until the end of the world. I can’t take four more years of that s.o.b. and his snarky wife.


74 posted on 11/06/2012 10:47:33 PM PST by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on behalf of animals would do so on behalf of the unborn.)
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To: neverbluffer

Keep on thinking that. A “true” conservative would have won how much of the black and Latino vote to make up the difference?

I recall the GOP congressional revolution led by Newt. He and his pals moved in a turned into bigger spenders than the Dems they replaced. Fiscal conservatives simply do not exist. They will claim to be, but once they taste they $$$ they can’t help themselves.

And a social conservative is NOT going to win, ever again. Book It!!!


75 posted on 11/06/2012 10:47:42 PM PST by SengirV
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To: Salamander

that verse came to me as well. not up for singing.


76 posted on 11/06/2012 10:48:18 PM PST by TxBec (Keep all 14 of the victims at Fort Hood in your prayers.)
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To: Zhang Fei

I disagree strongly with what you said.

Had we run Palin rather than whatshisname, with the same running mate - we would have won.

I do not like the fact we were led around for a while before she changed her mind, but Palin is head and shoulders above anyone else on our team.

Period.


77 posted on 11/06/2012 10:50:10 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Perdogg

Romney was a stalking horse. The backup choice in case we rejected obamacare, we would still get romneycare.

It is all theater.


78 posted on 11/06/2012 10:50:27 PM PST by willyd (Don't shoot, we're Republicans!)
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To: SengirV
Quite simple, the GOP needs to drop the social zealots and stop ignoring the minirities.

That's what it did this time. How'd that work out for you tonight?

79 posted on 11/06/2012 10:50:34 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Theoria
The conservative media also lives in a bubble, and suffers from group think. This idea that giveme states would turn back against Obama and vote for Mitt were joke predictions. Just like the stupid line, that everybody I know voted for blah.

You can say that again. Romney does his final event in NH in an auditorium with 10,000 capacity. He fills it up and conservatives think he's got the air of a winner. Obama fills half of a 20K arena, and conservatives think that shows he's on the way out. But both of them have roughly the same number of people in the audience. This is groupthink at its worst.

80 posted on 11/06/2012 10:51:08 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: jackmercer
Well said. Nate was dead on, and that was simple statistical probability with poll averages. Not rocket science, but simple math.

Polls are done by companies to make money. The more reliable they are the more they will make. This idea that they would be intentionally inaccurate goes beyond that simple concept.

81 posted on 11/06/2012 10:51:34 PM PST by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: Perdogg

What happened?

The TV won. America lost...

The parasites now outnumber the producers, and everybody wants that Free Cheese, and Obamaphones. Gots to git me one, now...


82 posted on 11/06/2012 10:52:16 PM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: Utmost Certainty

Sad but true. It’s going to take another Great Depression or a complete economic meltdown before people wake the hell up! It’s sad what we’ve done to the country. The founding fathers, if they could speak to us, would probably ask WTF did you learn from our words and actions to form this great nation. Sadly, the answer today would be not a helluva alot!


83 posted on 11/06/2012 10:52:34 PM PST by dowcaet
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To: gitmo

“America lost.”

No, Gitmo, America died. The America that we knew and loved is officially gone. My home was partially decimated by hurricane Sandy. Obama got re-elected. 2012 is truly one of the worst years of my life.


84 posted on 11/06/2012 10:53:50 PM PST by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on behalf of animals would do so on behalf of the unborn.)
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To: Perdogg
Over the weekend, Axelrod said that an Obama win was "baked in, it's a done deal 100% guaranteed." This, together with all the other facts, is an admission.

Theft.

85 posted on 11/06/2012 10:54:38 PM PST by Kennard
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To: Colonel_Flagg

More minorities voted for Obama this time than ever before. So tell me how a “true” conservative would have shifted voted away from Obama and towards the GOP?

Right now, minorities see the GOP as the extremist portion of the Tea Party. That perception needs to be fixed. No GOPer will win the whitehouse again until that is fixed, doesn’t matter who it is.


86 posted on 11/06/2012 10:55:49 PM PST by SengirV
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I disagree strongly with what you said. Had we run Palin rather than whatshisname, with the same running mate - we would have won. I do not like the fact we were led around for a while before she changed her mind, but Palin is head and shoulders above anyone else on our team. Period.

Palin can win the red states. But then again, any RINO can win the red states. How does she win the swing states?

87 posted on 11/06/2012 10:56:21 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Perdogg
For those of you who think the world has ended, one thing to remember is this:

The GOP house backed the conservative Ryan budget 100%.

They won. Solidly.

Mitt Romney kinda, sorta nudged around the edges of almost supporting it.

He got his butt kicked.

Is there a lesson here??

88 posted on 11/06/2012 10:56:53 PM PST by Notary Sojac (Ut veniant omnes)
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To: Perdogg

1. First thing we do is get voter ID passed

2. Use the purple ink on fingers

3. Stop same day registration

The worse thing of this election is obama putting 3-4 Supreme Court Justices in place.

After this election I have a feeling of doom.


89 posted on 11/06/2012 10:56:53 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: Zhang Fei

“If the market had dropped 2000 points in the final month of the campaign, Romney would have won.”

A TRILLION DOLLARS of your grandchildrens money made sure it did not crash. Now, they just won’t care. The Banksters win, WE ALL LOSE....


90 posted on 11/06/2012 10:57:47 PM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: Perdogg
The GOP reminds me of the Charlie Brown Halloween. The GOP who support Liberals remind me of Linus and The Great Pumpkin. The Morons sit year after year waiting on an event that will not happen. Of course when they are wrong and loose the say just wait too next year you'll see.

Then there is the Charlie Brown & Lucy aspect where Good Ole Charlie Brown knows that Lucy is going to pull away the football just as sure as the Liberal Media including FAUX News Nightly Beltway Snobs will again next election push for the most Liberal Schmuck running and purposely destroy the others one at a time. Last but not least is the Trick or Treat. What does Charlie Brown always get?

People, stop being Linus and Charlie Brown. Lucy in this case the media, the RNC, and so called Republican ANAList, who control the primary process is going to make fools of you again in 2014 & 16 otherwise.

The GOP as an organization is owned lock, stock and barrel, by North Eastern Liberals. The only way out is to form a true Second Party to oppose the current united GOP and Democratic party.

91 posted on 11/06/2012 10:58:18 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Irish Eyes; All

FIRE THE MSM MEDIA!!!


92 posted on 11/06/2012 10:59:08 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: Zhang Fei

As a conservative, I voted for Mitt Romney here in Tennessee.
However, I will not vote for another McCain or Romney.

The real truth about this election is the ever growing takers beat the
Makers. And the takers will only grow in the next 4 years.
I will leave it to you moderates to carry the water in the future.
Me... I will continue stocking up for the coming collapse. Greece is
Coming to America sooner than later.


93 posted on 11/06/2012 11:00:22 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Perdogg

I have no idea what happened. I thought Romney was going to win this right up until the 11pm poll closings. Instead four more years of Obama. I am in tears!


94 posted on 11/06/2012 11:00:31 PM PST by romans828
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To: Zhang Fei

It all depends on what she does next.

Right now, the GOP is on the wrong side. We are selling off factories and firing people. Not the way to win elections.

We need to be on the side of progress.

How Palin goes about that, will make all the difference.

After a suitable time, perhaps she can join forces with the most recent VP.

The two of them would be a powerful team. IMHO.


95 posted on 11/06/2012 11:01:09 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: dowcaet

The Great Depression netted us the New Deal and irreparably altered American outlooks about the role of government. I don’t think another Great Depression would help.


96 posted on 11/06/2012 11:01:14 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: cva66snipe
People, stop being Linus and Charlie Brown.

Be Snoopy fighting the Red Baron.

97 posted on 11/06/2012 11:01:57 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: tcrlaf
A TRILLION DOLLARS of your grandchildrens money made sure it did not crash. Now, they just won’t care. The Banksters win, WE ALL LOSE....

$5T. That's the amount Obama has added to the national debt. Of course, the GOP went along with it.

98 posted on 11/06/2012 11:02:15 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: romans828

I mostly lurk but wanted to log in and post tonight. Now I am exhausted and need to sleep. Peace be with everyone.


99 posted on 11/06/2012 11:02:57 PM PST by romans828
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To: Perdogg

I work for pollsters. When someone says they are “independent”, they usually lean towards a party. “Independent” is just a popular thing to say these days although there are some true independents who just vote on issues or the candidate.


100 posted on 11/06/2012 11:04:11 PM PST by sarah palin rocks
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