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Need Advice on Purchase of Automatic Weapon

Posted on 11/09/2012 4:41:12 PM PST by Tail Gunner John

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1 posted on 11/09/2012 4:41:16 PM PST by Tail Gunner John
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To: Tail Gunner John

No way you’re going to find any Class III weapon for less than multiple thousands.


2 posted on 11/09/2012 4:43:03 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tail Gunner John

Buy it on the down low no paper trail !!!!


3 posted on 11/09/2012 4:43:39 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: Tail Gunner John

buy a book on firearms first so you can learn what the difference is between an automatic rifle and any other rifle.


4 posted on 11/09/2012 4:43:50 PM PST by RC one (Akin/Mourdock-2016)
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To: Tail Gunner John

Perhaps you meant SEMI automatic?


5 posted on 11/09/2012 4:44:13 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tail Gunner John

If you really mean automatic and not semi-automatic, $1000.00 will get you lots of ammunition, but nary a single automatic pistol, rifle, or shotgun. :(


6 posted on 11/09/2012 4:44:19 PM PST by Sylvester McMonkey McBean
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To: Tail Gunner John

Less than $1000?? Move to a third world country. In the US, you are looking at a minimum of $5k for the cheapest Class III weapon you can find (if you can find one right now).


7 posted on 11/09/2012 4:45:12 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Tail Gunner John

What will you use it for? Self defense, hunting, multi-purpose?


8 posted on 11/09/2012 4:45:49 PM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Tail Gunner John

Unless you have a class III federal license you can’t buy an “automatic” weapon. Even then you’d need about $25,000 to buy a decent one.

If you mean semi-automatic then you can look around. I have a Bushmaster ar-15.

Either way $1000 isn’t enough for the rifle and a ‘decent’ amount of ammo. Depends what you mean by decent. Generally its about $400-$600 per 1000 rounds for quality ammo.


9 posted on 11/09/2012 4:46:26 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Tail Gunner John

John, is your real name Holder?


10 posted on 11/09/2012 4:47:20 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Tail Gunner John

I am guessing you mean semi-auto. I have noticed Wal-Mart has the Ruger mini-14 or whatever version it is, for around $600.00

It is not the most accurate rifle around but is accurate enough plus it is reliable. Get several high capacity mags of good quality and then buy name brand ammo whenever you can find it at a good price.


11 posted on 11/09/2012 4:48:36 PM PST by yarddog
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To: Tail Gunner John

John —

You will probably get a bunch of wise asses sniping at you because you wrote “automatic” instead of “semi-automatic.” It would be quicker for them to be helpful than to talk down to you, but, you know, they need to look superior.

A good place for you to start looking is at your local sporting goods store. A very basic AR type can be had for $500 and up. You will pretty quickly discover you want to acquire some add-on for it, extra magazines, scope, etc.

Another suggestion is to stop by gun shows. This is especially good because you can often avoid the old paper trail.

Good luck in your quest, and don’t let the snipers get you down.


12 posted on 11/09/2012 4:51:51 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: yarddog

Excellent suggestion, I picked up a Ruger 10/22 in polymer on sale for less than $100, then got 10,000 rounds and 3 x 30 mags. Lots better training and I save my .223 for the Ruger 556.

Way more fun!


13 posted on 11/09/2012 4:52:49 PM PST by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President, FUBO! Treason is the Reason! Impeach the Kenyan)
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To: Tail Gunner John
They're getting harder to find for some reason: http://www.proguns.com/fullyautomatic-machineguns.asp

I recommend the M-60!


14 posted on 11/09/2012 4:53:26 PM PST by Errant
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To: Tail Gunner John

You need to be more specific -

Protection or hunting - urban or rural environment? You want it with or without optics and does that include ammunition? A little more information on your end will greatly change the recommendations on ours.


15 posted on 11/09/2012 4:53:28 PM PST by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: Tail Gunner John

I need a small thermo nuclear weapon. Any advice? Do Ineed any special permits, or a bass boat to haul it around in?


16 posted on 11/09/2012 4:54:01 PM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: Tail Gunner John

They’re not “automatic”, they’re just mechanically promiscuous. “Automatic” is discrimatory, and judgemental.


17 posted on 11/09/2012 4:55:33 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

I see what you did there... Well played.


18 posted on 11/09/2012 4:59:58 PM PST by thoolou ("I may have invented it, but Bill made it famous." - David Bradley, inventor of Ctrl-Alt-Del)
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To: RobinOfKingston

I just bought a Rugar SAR for $200+ (I know it’s not top of the line). Can add “stuff” to it. All I owned before election was a handgun but now things are looking different.


19 posted on 11/09/2012 4:59:59 PM PST by Rusty0604
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To: Tail Gunner John

For 1K you can get any number of nice AR 15 platforms, but they are semi auto.

You wont get an auto for less than 20K


20 posted on 11/09/2012 5:03:39 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Errant

It’s a b*tch trying to find spare barrels and replacement parts too. And my ammo bearer went off to college.


21 posted on 11/09/2012 5:07:01 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Tijeras_Slim; Tail Gunner John
According to US v. Rock Island Armory [in Illinois - the ATF declined to push it up the ladder for fear of losing that case, and therefore much of their power]:
In sum, since enactment of 18 U.S.C. § 922(o), the Secretary has refused to accept any tax payments to make or transfer a machinegun made after May 19, 1986, to approve any such making or transfer, or to register any such machinegun. As applied to machineguns made and possessed after May 19, 1986, the registration and other requirements of the National Firearms Act, Chapter 53 of the Internal Revenue Code, no longer serve any revenue purpose, and are impliedly repealed or are unconstitutional.

So, you might get them cheaper there.

22 posted on 11/09/2012 5:08:14 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Colt 6920 is an excellent choice. There was a smokin deal at
DSG Arms for $995. Elsewhere it is $1150. They told me the nite of the election they sold the 26 in stock and next day got 30 calls for more. Get on their system they will notify when it is back in. No doubt the best price evah for the 6920


23 posted on 11/09/2012 5:08:53 PM PST by Swanks
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To: Errant; All

A few notes to add...

It’s a federal crime to own an auto without the proper licensing which you much carry at all times with the weapon.

Many thousands to buy these. Converting a semi to full auto is a federal crime.

If the purchase is because of fear of where country is heading, these are tracked weapons. Be the first ones picked up if things fall apart. Any crime committed with a similar weapon means Feds will visit everyone with a similar weapon.

Full auto burns a TON of ammunition. Very fast. Not really suited for hunting or defensive purposes. You’d need a huge stockpile of ammo. It’s expensive. Also very inefficient.

Friend of mine has a collection - all properly licensed. You can burn through a dozen clips in thirty minutes going back and forth. Takes a long time to reload them.

Don’t think this is the direction for the original poster to go.


24 posted on 11/09/2012 5:12:47 PM PST by TigerClaws
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To: Tail Gunner John

I thought this was a thread about fully-automatic gins. Sorry.


25 posted on 11/09/2012 5:15:05 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Tail Gunner John

Walmart is now selling AR 15s.

http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_query=AR+15&ic=16_0&Find=Find&search_constraint=4125

I understand the scoped Sig Sauer M400 will be on sale on Black Friday for $800


26 posted on 11/09/2012 5:16:13 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Tail Gunner John

AK with a bumpfire stock is probably about as close as you can get to an auto for around $1000. But you probably just meant semi-auto, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_SWefYWKw0


27 posted on 11/09/2012 5:16:13 PM PST by FreedomForce (Living in the Age of American Soft Despotism)
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To: Tail Gunner John
The first question is what brand of rifle do you prefer,do you know?A good place to start is slickgunsdotcom .They have user submitted deals from everywhere on every brand you can think of.They start at around 620 for the ones in stock,with the choice of DPMS or S&W and have it sent to your local FFL usually for about $25.At that price you can then go over to Natchezshooterssupply and pick up 1000 rds of federal American eagle ammo for $349.That keeps you just under your dollar target and “loaded for bear”.
28 posted on 11/09/2012 5:19:25 PM PST by makersmk2013
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To: TigerClaws
Ahh hell, we's just funnin' a little. ;)

Don't get a chance to do that much, lately...

29 posted on 11/09/2012 5:21:16 PM PST by Errant
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To: Tail Gunner John

Get yourself a well made AK-47. Not terribly expensive. Rock solid reliable. Inexpensive ammo. Now many would say they are not accurate. I suggest the AK-47 shoots straighter than most people can. I doubt you could get the great optics that can be obtained for the AR platform but I am not certain about that as I have not searched for any.


30 posted on 11/09/2012 5:26:21 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: smokingfrog
It’s a b*tch trying to find spare barrels and replacement parts too.

Shouldn't the barrels be pretty common? After all, the ATF's repeatedly said the lower-receiver of the M-16 is the 'machine-gun'.

31 posted on 11/09/2012 5:26:31 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: King Moonracer

Stick with a phased plasma rifle . . . something in the 40 watt range.


32 posted on 11/09/2012 5:27:15 PM PST by BipolarBob (I'm joining a Rastafarian cult group and moving to Jamaica.)
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To: FreedomForce

The AR bumpfire stock works much better.


33 posted on 11/09/2012 5:28:54 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: BipolarBob

LOL. I was kicking myself for not writing that first. Much better joke than mine.


34 posted on 11/09/2012 5:29:27 PM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: mylife

Wonder if anyone has tried that type of stock on a Saiga shotgun. I’d like to see a video of that.


35 posted on 11/09/2012 5:33:18 PM PST by FreedomForce (Living in the Age of American Soft Despotism)
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To: Errant
The election is over. We can go back to being our obnoxious selves without fear of losing our heads to snapback. ;)

On topic.. I often refer to my autoloading rifles, shotguns and pistols as autoloaders, even though they only fire one round per trigger pull.

The revolvers and bolt action rifles, I mostly call 'tack-drivers'. The non-autoloading shotgun is called 'Clem' or the coach gun.

I wouldn't own a full auto in a caliber smaller than .20mm. Waste, in my opinion. Besides, I'm poor now, and don't run in those circles with guys that spend $5000US for a weekend of shooting anymore. ;)

/johnny

36 posted on 11/09/2012 5:33:24 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: King Moonracer

“I need a small thermo nuclear weapon.”

Birdman Weapons Systems has it:

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=birdman+weapon+systems&hl=en&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1280&bih=670&tbm=isch&tbnid=yyv1RIhBobEWnM:&imgrefurl=http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php%3Ft%3D192916&docid=a8QLIr_YJj74AM&imgurl=http://www.thefiringline.com/library/gfx/Nuke50ad01large.jpg&w=500&h=634&ei=Yq6dUNnOIIWq2gW6xIGQAw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=115&vpy=134&dur=503&hovh=147&hovw=116&tx=97&ty=109&sig=105095880652551204484&page=1&tbnh=147&tbnw=116&start=0&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0,i:77


37 posted on 11/09/2012 5:36:59 PM PST by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: FreedomForce

Yep. LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_W1pLT7xSA


38 posted on 11/09/2012 5:38:03 PM PST by FreedomForce (Living in the Age of American Soft Despotism)
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To: MikeSteelBe

Birdman also had the compact Barret .50, and the “homeboy” night sights:

http://www.reno4x4.com/forum/showthread.php/60015-Auth-Dealer-Birdman-Weapons-Systems!!!!


39 posted on 11/09/2012 5:41:49 PM PST by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: tacticalogic
Your tagline, juxtaposed with that comment, has a certain irony.

Cheers!

40 posted on 11/09/2012 5:42:12 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Tail Gunner John

For this money, the closest thing you can do is get a “SlideFire” stock, which is a controlled way of doing the bump fire techniques, and having had one I know it works. Here is my brother shooting a semi-automatic AK74 with the Slidefire stock:
http://youtu.be/eXU3-H0jaSA


41 posted on 11/09/2012 5:42:38 PM PST by vicdoc
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To: Tail Gunner John

I can start with LOL.

You need to research this a little better. Class III license will eat up 2/3rds of your budget, then your DROS.

Then go to Gunbroker.com and see what you can get for around $2,500 that’s reliable.

You’re also going to need a tool kit to maintain your weapon.

There’s a bunch of other things you need to consider and a couple hundred rounds to practice will cost $.25 cents per round to $1.50 or more depending on what arm you eventually settle on.

Good luck....


42 posted on 11/09/2012 5:43:58 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: FreedomForce

I don’t know.
I have seen guys bump fire saiga 12’s but I bet its a bitch.


43 posted on 11/09/2012 5:44:55 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: umgud

All of the above...


44 posted on 11/09/2012 5:45:42 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: mylife

See post 38. The recoil almost pushes the guy out of frame.


45 posted on 11/09/2012 5:48:24 PM PST by FreedomForce (Living in the Age of American Soft Despotism)
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To: Tail Gunner John

Class III AR-15 full-auto, suppressed, will cost $5-7,000 easy, if you can find a good one. I have several, plus Class III AR-10s and won’t part with any.


46 posted on 11/09/2012 5:48:59 PM PST by carriage_hill (America - a great idea while it lasted... it's over.)
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To: Tail Gunner John

PS - That was 2001 prices. They’ll be well-upwards of $13-15k, if you can even find one, in this day and time.


47 posted on 11/09/2012 5:52:37 PM PST by carriage_hill (America - a great idea while it lasted... it's over.)
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To: FreedomForce

Hawhoo!


48 posted on 11/09/2012 5:54:53 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: RobinOfKingston; Tail Gunner John

No, if he doesn’t have enough firearms experience to even get the get the terminology right, he needs to take a class on how to operate a firearm safely before someone gets hurt.


49 posted on 11/09/2012 5:56:52 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: vicdoc

I bet it works better on an AK 74 than an Ak 47, but I think the short stock on the AK makes it difficult to use proficiently.


50 posted on 11/09/2012 6:01:27 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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