Skip to comments.Petition started asking Obama to allow Texas to secede from the Union
Posted on 11/09/2012 6:58:13 PM PST by oneprolifewoman
"The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government's neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the US suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it's citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government."
Even if a Republican gets in the white house next time it still doesn’t change the fact that there are two groups with incompatible philosophies and that isn’t going to change.
You left out Tennessee. We are a conservative red state.
“...Eventually the same old ideas of the welfare state and egalitarianism would infect the new country but it would be long after we are all dead and probably our children.”
I believe our 40th president can answer this best...
“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.” -Ronald Reagan
Some conservative Canadians have the same idea:
I’d move to Alberta if they did that.
I think most of Oklahoma would be VERY ready to go with Texas. Let’s do it, I’m ready!!
“Texas is a state of mind”
Yep, that’s exactly it. Freedom is a state of mind.
Liberty has many incarnations. But the incarnations, the manifestations, die, and must. What doesn't die is that which incarnated the incarnations (I'm not being flip.) Never be attached to the USA so long as liberty is not its essence ... be attached to the invisible principle. If you think it can be restored in the USA, then fight for that.
If you think it can't, then fight for THAT ... but if there is ever to be a lasting peace and liberty ... it's primary thrust will not be violence.
It will be that peaceful liberty-lovers choose to live amongst themselves.
The reason liberty was sourced in the Decl of Independence as 'from a Creator' is that it's beyond ideology, before thought. It's already there. It's before the manifested. So it never leaves.
The reason Emerson comes to mind is that they (Emerson and Freedom) are related at the base of ourselves, before thought - Emerson merely reported what came to him through meditation ... which is not black magic ... it's just that you quiet the mind (thoughts, opinions, ideology) and what comes comes ... Freedom is pre-ideology ... so it always comes up amongst enlightened writers.
ROFL. ain't that the truth.
RED STATE OU SOONERS beat BLUE STATE IOWA last week.
Tonight: Our THUNDERS (basketball) beat DETROIT, another blue state defeat. We're on a roll, getting our REVENGE one way or another.
I would love to see OK join TX in secession. Transplanted Texan here.
Unfortunately, the Knicks beat the Mavs.
None. If I remember my Texas history correctly, that is one of the benefits of entering the union as a sovereign nation by treaty.
Take it all the way north to the border (I’m in Kansas - although embarrassed by our piss poor showing in the election). Split the county in half.
They can call themselves Dreamworld.
That is the only problem I see. Are you counting Domestic invasion as some of the foreign? Domestic invasion (ner do wells) will be a problem as well.
Missouri has a petition up now too...
And Missouri’s connected to Arkansas.
No free stuff means no freeloaders.
I came to work one morning to find an infestation of ants. So I cleaned the place, got them to actually vacuum the carpet and change the trash bag in the can instead of just pulling stuff out of it.
The next day there were no ants. They went looking somewhere else for a free lunch.
End welfare and the ne'er-do-wells will toddle off to find it in the nearest blue state.
PPPLEASE, remove this thread now! If my wife sees it she’ll be packing us up and shopping hill country real estate.
Well, if the SOBama allows it, I’ll be Texas house huntin’.
hahahahahahaha. I am a transplanted Houstonian, I don't need permission. lol
As far as the migrates are concerned, don't let them in unless they have a Sponsor. They have 5 years to prove themselves as worthy, employable and resourceful. If not, evict them.
ROFL. No one can say it better than a Texan. I love what you said..
THINK ISRAEL, little old Israel over there, completely surrounded by their enemy, and they can beat the tar out of all of them. Texas is bigger than Israel.
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Check this out
It outlines concepts that could be incorporated into the new Texas Constitution.
If there is going to be a way to do this it must be systematic.
1) Set up Texas National Guard posts at all major border crossings into Mexico and the other 49 states.
2) Declare secession and pass a new constitution for the Free Republic of Texas.
3) Begin offering currency in the name of this new country.
4) Announce to Texas citizens that they have three weeks to decide if they want to live in Texas or another country. Anyone who wishes to leave, they are free to go. Anyone wishing to enter Texas will be allowed but they WILL NOT HAVE VOTING RIGHTS FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS unless they can rove they were living in Texas for those five years. Anyone not already residing in Texas at the time of secession may enter only with a $5,000 (TX) dollar per entrant fee while the new republic builds up a treasury for border protection and to barter a deal with the United States to resume economic trade and restoral of some sort of passage between the new nations.
5) Other temporary measures will be passed under the directive of the former Governor of Texas, now acting President of the Republic of Texas for the purpose of establishing a working government.
6) Texas land owned by the US government and military equipment owned by the US government will be purchased from the US on a payment plan to allow for a transition of military bases and other US facilities to be used by the Republic of Texas.
7) While the US Constitution will be the framework of the new Texas constitution, it will clearly outlaw abortion rights (with a few exceptions), clearly state marriage as only recognized between two consenting adults of different biological genders, allow for common prayers in public schools, establish a death penalty, and bestow other rights liberal froth at the mouth about to attempt to take away from the citizenry.
Voting and legislative freedoms will eventually be restored to the people of Texas but only after such time that the borders are secure, a new currency is widely in circulation and photo IDs are passed out to all citizens which includes a place to designate how long someone has lived in Texas - as a way to verify their ability to vote. Yes, this is not going to be a full democracy for some time but that will be necessary to prevent either the U.S. or Mexico from flooding Texas with people whose loyalties are to old governments and old parties having too great a say in crucial Texas Republic matters.
There’s more to say but that’s the basic framework. Being nice guys and asking permission is not going to make any project successful. Texans will have to take over the new country and fence in their people temporarily until a peaceful secession can be negotiated.
It is past the time to make the Blue States pay for the government they want. Let the super rich Hollywood pay for the super poor minorities that truly are the drag on society. We know where the massive drag and cost on society comes from. They vote for Obama because he gives them STUFF they cannot pay for. They have no income, they generate no revenue, the cost trillions in welfare and social programs, they have kids they cannot pay for, crime that destroys communities and no futures. The Conservatives pay for everybody and it has to stop!!!
We generate all the revenue to the government then we are told to shut up and pay. WE DO NOT WANT A BIG GOVERNMENT...we want the freedom to dream, to build, to live and inspire as the FOUNDERS imagined. The Blue States are all failing...their economies are a mess, taxes everywhere, no jobs, regulations that never stop and massive welfare states that cannot be supported. These creeps destroy their states and then have the nerve to come to the RED STATES, where taxes are lower, businesses are thriving or growing, where AMERICA is loved and where people can still dream. And what do these Blue State people do? They ruin everything they touch. God look at New York, California, Jersey and Mass...they stink, population loss, no businesses, UNIONS out of control and mass welfare. KEEP IT!! we do not want you in the RED STATES! In fact, we share nothing with you at all. You want Socialism...we want Liberty...you want BIG BROTHER we want Self Responsibility!!
Here is the truth...The Red States do not need the Blue States....the BLUE STATES HAVE TO HAVE THE RED STATES to pay the bills....look where all the new jobs are in Red States from North Dakota to Texas to Florida to Georgia. Red States are growing....in OH which is really red....13 of 17 House seats GOP....GOP GOV and State Houses...the Gov turned around a Democrats’ mess when he came to office. Same here in Florida...on the State level all is RED and Rubio is a good Senator!
Lets dissolve the Union...let the Blue States create the Socialist Utopia they want and we in the Red States can build our Capitalist Free Enterprise System for Dreamers and Doers. Can you imagine the Economic Engine that would be unleashed without the shackles of the massive fed government and liberals? They would fall apart and we would thrive. We do not need or want them.
We are not able to coexist anymore. We all know it. There is so much division in this country and it is getting worse. We are not able to live with each other. I have no use for liberals and quite frankly could care less what happens to them. To me they are not American...they are leeches that believe they have the right to what others earn.
We need a country for conservatives to raise our children with God and Love of Country. Where success is championed and we dare our children to dream and reach for the stars. And no federal gov’t with race quotas, sexism, race baiting, class warfare and communism. Make no bones about it the Blue States are Communist/Socialist. They have nothing in common with our Founders. Texas is now a larger economy then California with 13 million fewer people. Soon Florida will surpass New York and then California in Economic Output as well. California at one time was the 6th largest economy in the world now it is no longer in the top 15. And they just voted for another tax increase. Pathetic!
Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, Louisiana, Florida, Georgia, Tenn, MS, South Carolina, North Carolina, ND, SD, Kansas, Montana, Neb, OH?, Utah, Wyoming, Az? Arkansas, W VA and Idaho would thrive. Let the rest fall into the Socialist States...Sorry Colorado has lost its way and is lost. They belong with the Big Government Liberals. Virginia is lost due to northern Virginia...
This will only get worse if we delude ourselves that America lives. It is dead. There is nothing we share in common anymore. We need to preserve the American Dream where it is wanted and believed in. We need to do the proper steps to break up the Union. We need to use the provisions within the ratification process to unratify. The framers set forth the peaceful process. Conservatives look at the present future...Obamacare, massive debt, more EPA regulations, no new energy resources, more class warfare, amnesty and more welfare from south of Texas, training our children to hate capitalism and success, destroying the family, no God, no freedom and a CENTRALIZED STATE determining our existence. Do we want this? America is gone.
I could care less about Hollywood, New York City, Washington, Boston, Chicago, San Fran, Philly, Detroit or Minneapolis...they are all liberal bastions! Let them have their Socialist World and let us have our Freedom, Liberty, Small Govt and Capitalism. In 5 years they will be destitute and we will thrive!! We all know it!
Elections have consequences...it is time to let the Liberals have their utopia and let them pay for it. What a joy for all us that love Individualism and Liberty it would be to live knowing our Small Government would foster growth and freedom while theirs would foster class warfare and dependency!!
This movement is growing more and more. It is becoming obvious this country is no longer sustainable. We owe it to our children to give them a better life. How can we look into their little eyes knowing what a depressing and sad country with no jobs or future they will inherit. No we cannot let that happen. Just look at 50 percent of college grads now with no jobs and no prospects...does anyone think it will be better in a year. Already talk is surfacing of another recession on the horizon....look at businesses...mass layoffs are coming soon as is mass dropping of health care offered by companies because of Obamacare....JUST DREARY!! Greece? Western Europe? California...heck we are on the doorstep! Only states like Texas, Florida, ND, SD, Oklahoma, Alabama, SC and others offer any hope!
We can sit and complain or work legally to do the right thing for all people. The liberals need their Socialist America we need our Freedom America. They are not compatible in anyway. Look at the map of the US outside certain megacities it is all red and that tells you something. Imagine about 200 million people would move to Freedom America and the rest could live in Socialist America. But one caveat you come to Freedom American you PLEDGE TO NEVER VOTE FOR GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS and REDISTRIBUTION...you come here YOU EARN IT AND ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOURSELF!!
Brilliant. Post that far and wide.
I should add - put in the mix the “regionalism” that Obama will start pushing soon. The GOP didn’t even mention this in the campaign. It’s the plan to make the red suburbs share revenues with the blue cities via innovative application of the civil rights laws. In my native Wisconsin, for example, Waukesha County would have to share its tax revenues with Milwaukee County. When that finally becomes clear to your average moronic suburban soccer mom, then calls for secession will really become insistent. Hurry the day. This Navy veteran is done with the Blue counties. It’s over. Stick a fork in it. It’s not worth saving.
Awesome. You said everything I was thinking. Especially this “How can we look into their little eyes knowing what a depressing and sad country with no jobs or future they will inherit”
That is all I could think of Tuesday night and Wednesday morning. I was deeply depressed thinking about what they have done to my children.
We already have something like that here in Texas with "Robin Hood" where rich school districts have to share their Property Tax revenues with poorer districts.
Texas does not need permisson to leave the union....she was a Republic and wilfully joined the union. I do believe that Texas is the only state that can do that.
we're gonna need some more chairs.
Need to make sure they have a Sponsor who can vouch for them, they must employable, and/or resourceful.
Disabled will have to come under review of some sort.
Disable Veteran is never refused.
Then put some de-con and ant/flea & tick powder along all the border.
This has been the most fun I've had in FR for such a long time. Go TEXAS, Okla should follow. Night all.
Since when does over 25 million people, need to ask one person if they can do something ?
"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States." --Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
“but how much of Texas is federal land ,that Obama would keep?”
None, if Texas does secede. All the land would still be part of Texas, so none of it could be rightfully claimed by the fedgov.
As I recall, when the Republic of Texas agreed to join the US they retained all rights/ownership of Texas lands.
Since then, Texas has given over some land for National Parks and US military bases. Otherwise, the feds can’t mess with taking over Texas land.
I’d be willing to burn my California house to the ground and drive to Texas for good of they secede.
“End welfare and the ne’er-do-wells will toddle off to find it in the nearest blue state.”
I’ve got 40 acres there and would go back if it actually seceded (succeeded? ha). Do you really think this would take care of the mestizo problem? They’re really entrenched there.
I would give up USSA citizenship immediately and become a Texan.
Louisiana has done this as well. You can find their petition on the same website.
And all conservative women should learn how to use firearms too. Many a granny has taken out some feral thug.
I am more concerned about my signature and personal info on a petition posted at the whitehut.gov site being forwarded to the new Dept. of Revenge
That's particularly true for Texas. The independent Republic of Texas joined the union by executing a treaty with the US. It was the only state to join in such a manner. The treaty stipulates that Texas can leave the union any time it wants to. Permission is not necessary.
“Texas is big, but not big enough to hold all of us who would move there if it did secede.”
Want to bet? If the population of the world lived in Texas, roughly 7 billion people, each person would have approximately 1/3 of an acre.
No land would be left for agriculture or business, but the point is everybody alive would fit in that state, while the rest of the planet would be empty.
“You left out Tennessee. We are a conservative red state.”
What will Tennessee do with its super-majority? Enhance its RINOness or move further right?
My folks, sister and brother-in-law are there already. Would just need to find a job.
Think East Germany versus West Germany, North Korea versus South Korea.
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