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Petition started asking Obama to allow Texas to secede from the Union
White House Petitions site ^

Posted on 11/09/2012 6:58:13 PM PST by oneprolifewoman

"The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government's neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the US suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it's citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government."


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To: justa-hairyape
Since when does over 25 million people, need to ask one person if they can do something ?

What is never?

151 posted on 11/10/2012 6:09:45 AM PST by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: molson209
but how much of Texas is federal land ,that Obama would keep

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152 posted on 11/10/2012 6:29:50 AM PST by deport
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To: mom of young patriots
No person shall be allowed to cast a vote who has not satisfied the requirements of residence, ownership, employment, self-sufficiency and tax payment.

A person meets the requirements of residence if they were living in Texas at the time of secession or have met the requirements of naturalization.

A person meets the requirements of ownership if they own a residence of at least 1000 square feet with plumbing and electrical utilities constituting a kitchen and bathroom OR if a person owns at least one acre of land OR owns a business that pays taxes equal to or greater than 10% of the average tax bill for all businesses in the state.

A person meets the requirements of employment if they have received in payment for services rendered or goods received an amount greater than 10% of the average income for the previous year. A person does not meet the requirements of employment if their sole source of income is a salary issued by a government agency.

A person meets the standard of self sufficiency if they have not, for five years prior to the day the ballot has been cast, received payment from the government except as a refund for overpayment. This includes any government guaranteed loan.

A person meets the standard of tax payment if they have remitted to taxing authorities an amount equal to 10% of the average of all tax payments.

Fraudulently casting a ballot when these requirements have not been met constitutes an act of treason against the state. Attempting to aid another person circumvent these requirements through fraudulent means constitutes an act of treason.

153 posted on 11/10/2012 6:32:24 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: floridafree

As one who currently lives in a RED Fla. county too.

Great post. Alaska would also secede. Plus some states that voted blue would break-up because they are rurally conservative ruled by liberal cities. Example Illinois- SW Illinois would break away from Chi-town, Eastern Washington would break away from Seattle and even Eastern CA, the bread basket of Ca, might break away, too many illegal immigrants put a doubt on it but.... Rural Nevada though not very polulated may want to divorce from Vegas. Va could break up with Southern and Western Va seceding, from Northern Va. The current state lines may disintegrate in such areas if secession become an option with the conservatives parts exiting.


154 posted on 11/10/2012 6:45:31 AM PST by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: mom of young patriots
Some initial thoughts...

Some things I think would need to be clearly & simply spelled out:

We should distrust the "Republic of Texas" as did the founders of any central government. A Republic of Texas would have the same pressures to extend its power and influence over the people as any other government in the history of the world. All should flow from the basic premise that God has given men certain unalienable rights. Man, inherent from his Creator, has certain unalienable rights and power including life, liberty and the peaceful pursuit of his own happiness. The Republic of Texas has no inherent rights or powers except those delegated it by the People of Texas. The Republic of Texas is LIMITED by those powers ENUMERATED in the Texas Constitution, DELEGATED to it by the people.

What will be the main decentralization units (maybe the Counties)? Then, the powers not delegated to the Republic of Texas by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to [the Counties] are reserved to the [Counties], respectively, or to the people. (Revised 10th Amendment.)

Repetition is not a bad thing, but necessary, in law because courts tend to construe law for their own purposes. It should be therefore, be plainly expressed that the "Bill of Rights" is not an enumeration of rights to the [Counties] and people. Those powers which are NOT in the Bill of Rights remain reserved for the [Counties] respectively, or to the people, unless otherwise delegated to Texas by the Constitution or prohibited by it to the [Counties].

Another problem with having an extensive Bill of Rights is enforcement by the Government. This is how the Communist countries operate and is counterproductive. The purpose of a Bill of Rights should be to simply clarify certain details as a proscription against the Government of Texas, NOT as an excuse for Texas to enforce every perceived violation among the [Counties] or people. Each [County] should have its own rules of government as the people of the [Counties] choose. The only thing the Government of Texas should have to power to do is DEFEND its citizens from attack from a foreign nation or, mostly in the courts rather than legislatively, from interference of an individual’s life, liberty, or peaceful pursuits by another.

I would outlaw the income tax because it allows the government to use the tax for social engineering (even within the "progressive" prohibition) and way too much intrusiveness into people’s personal lives and also allows an oppressive enforcement regime (the U.S. IRS, for example) counter to a free society. A flat Retail Sales Tax would inherently be much less intrusive and simpler and have fewer drawbacks. One drawback to watch out for however would be government attempts to fix or otherwise monkey around with prices to try to maximize their revenues. Texas would need to be prohibited from ALL ECONOMIC ENGAGEMENT EXCEPT to settle SPECIFIC DISPUTES between [counties].

155 posted on 11/10/2012 6:49:46 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: hopespringseternal
No free stuff means no freeloaders

Except for Freddie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhjPvMpEhm4

156 posted on 11/10/2012 6:52:58 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: OrangeHoof
Immigrants should not be thought of as threats. We should welcome immigrants and think of them the way pre-1930 America thought of them as memorialized in the base of the Statue of Liberty. Some of the most loyal American citizens, for example, are immigrants who came here for opportunity, not handouts. The only requirement should be a pledge of allegiance to Texas and the laws therein.

In free societies, people are thought of as a good thing. In oppressive socialist and Marxist societies, people are looked at with suspicion and are considered a drain to the "entitlement" regime. In a free society, the more people the better, because they have to make their own way, are responsible for their own decisions and in so doing become productive members of society. If not, only they are the losers. Overall, a benevolent, free society is the best place to live on earth.

157 posted on 11/10/2012 7:07:08 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: hopespringseternal
Income tax with its oppressive and intrusive enforcement requirements should be banned and replaced by the relatively simple, straightforward Retail Sales Tax. Nothing is perfect but a Retail Sales Tax should be much better that the income tax which allows government intrusiveness into every part of our lives and Nazi-like oppression of the IRS.

One of our biggest problems would be to counter the "intellectual elites" and "progressives" who would want to undermine the efforts to make Texas a benevolent and free society.

158 posted on 11/10/2012 7:26:33 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: oneprolifewoman

www.freetexasconstitution.wordpress.com


159 posted on 11/10/2012 7:53:36 AM PST by grumpa
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To: annieokie

” - - - - I would love to see OK join TX in secession. - - - “

“I wasn’t born in TEXAS, but I got here as quick as I could.”

BTW, at the present rate of grown of Obamanation Communism in the former USA, Secession might, could, come about “Sooner” than the flick of a lamb’s tail.


160 posted on 11/10/2012 7:59:36 AM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: boxlunch

My (random) thoughts are as follows:

Things we can do NOW:

Start weaning ourselves off of FedGov handouts. The FedGov holds the handouts over the States’ heads and threatens to cut them off if the States don’t do what they want. Texas needs to get to the place where we can say, “Go ahead and withhold the funds.” That will also get us to the place where we can say, “And by the way, we will not be sending you (the FedGov) any more money.” States sending the FedGov money and then having the FedGov dole it back out is already “re-distribution.” Time to stop it! In addition, stop all welfare programs. Let the churches and private entities take up the slack. When the moochers quit getting hand-outs, they will re-locate.

Seal the border with Mexico, with whatever method will be the most effective. If the FedGov doesn’t like it, too bad so sad. What are they going to do to stop us? File another lawsuit? We must always remember that the County Sheriff is the ultimate law enforcement and that trespassers can be arrested. For that matter, we should probably begin setting up border fencing around all borders of the State in preparation for the day when we declare Independence.

If sealing the border with Mexico proves to be too difficult, a fence should be erected between the blue border counties and the surrounding red counties. That border would not be the U.S. - Mexico border, but would be the Texas border. The blue counties would end up being the no-man’s land – kind of a DMZ.

Texas has a Constitution in place. Article 1, Section 1 states: “FREEDOM AND SOVEREIGNTY OF STATE. Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States, and the maintenance of our free institutions and the perpetuity of the Union depend upon the preservation of the right of local self-government, unimpaired to all the States.” Texas is subject only to the CONSTITUTION of the U.S., not to the pResident or FedGov. There would be no need to re-write it if we are re-established as a Republic. We can merely amend it, as has always been done. The first amendment should be the requirements for voting, which should include, at a minimum, proof of citizenship and voter registration card. A voter registration card should be issued only when the person (or family) can produce one year’s worth of utility bills to prove that they have been living in the State for at least a year.

As other posters have mentioned, Texas is a state of mind. All like-minded conservatives should make every effort to move here. Texas has been a Republic in the past, and we can do it again. We have the natural resources (oil, timber, etc.), shipping and harbors, manufacturing (including defense mfg.), agriculture and livestock farming and ranching, banking, universities and research, advanced medical centers, highways and railroads, an international airport, cultural centers with state of the art facilities, and virtually any type of industry that is needed for a successful economy. Texas is what the U.S. used to be and we will carry the torch forward. I agree that we should move the Statue of Liberty to Galveston Island (which was as big an immigration center as New York at one time). If we roll back immigration laws to require those who enter to have a strong desire to assimilate to our culture – rather than take it over – they would be welcome as productive members of our society.

As a symbol of my commitment to the Republic of Texas, I intend to fly the “deZavala” Flag. The deZavala flag is blue with a white lone star in the middle, with the letters T-E-X-A-S between the points. It thus has two layers of meaning: 1) it was one of the first flags of Texas Independence and 2) it closely resembles the Bonnie Blue Flag (States’ Rights!).


161 posted on 11/10/2012 8:18:35 AM PST by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: Graewoulf
BTW, at the present rate of grown of Obamanation Communism in the former USA, Secession might, could, come about “Sooner” than the flick of a lamb’s tail."""".....

One can hope.

It has to be quick, somehow I don't see how, but I hope.

If things are done slowly, all I can say is that is to late.....Remember WACO.

WACO, in my opinion was NOTHING more than::..,"This will teach all who are watching, you will not stockpile weapons, you will not seclude yourselves, you will learn to OBEY. The gov't does not FEAR the blue states, they FEAR all the RED STATES.

Remember too: They demonized ALL the militia's.

Remember, those people at that compound were NOT HURTING ANY OF US.

BENGHAZI is the today version of WACO.

New TEXAS battle-cry: "REMEMBER WACO" of course never to forget "REMEMBER THE ALAMO", but Remember Waco applies to us at this Moment in time.

I think WACO should be our wake up call, as to just how dangerous this Gov't is. We just did not recognize it at that time, well some did.

162 posted on 11/10/2012 8:51:31 AM PST by annieokie
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To: nanetteclaret
Very Good points...

Consider too about the MOOCHERS and others so inclined. They most likely will remove themselves to those states that just passed the new Marijuana laws.

“Go ahead and withhold the funds.”, if I remember correctly Okla. had talked about doing just that a few years ago. Thank God Okla., is fully vested with Republican Gov. and both houses.

Remember the Alamo....Remember Waco........

163 posted on 11/10/2012 9:12:37 AM PST by annieokie
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To: floridafree

How are we going to communicate with each other if the Obamatator and his regime shut down sites like this?

We need to be thinking about that.


164 posted on 11/10/2012 9:15:17 AM PST by mom of young patriots
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To: greatvikingone

Who knows. I heard they are bringing in porta-potties for the hippies in front of the capital building in Nashville. Go figure. Its going to look real nice with crap houses all over the grounds.


165 posted on 11/10/2012 12:33:40 PM PST by beckysueb
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To: gorush

“Don’t ask for permission, just do it!”

Don’t forget. It all started with a petition to the King.


166 posted on 11/10/2012 12:58:37 PM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: TheWriterTX
Put the TX/OU rivalry aside, and create the strongest nation on Earth.

China?

167 posted on 11/10/2012 1:12:54 PM PST by x
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To: oneprolifewoman
Petition started asking Obama to allow Texas to secede from the Union Don't Ask, Don't Tell. Just DO IT.
168 posted on 11/10/2012 1:17:45 PM PST by Rytwyng (I'm still fond of the United States. I just can't find it. -- Fred Reed)
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To: Graewoulf
and each region taking with them their proportionate, (based on population), share of the former USA National Debt.

I'd rather it be based on the vote and not population. I'll happily take the hit for the Bush spending, but the State of Texas never voted for Obama and I see no reason for the new Republic of Texas (or whatever you want to call our "zone") to incur his debt. Let those who voted for it eat it.

169 posted on 11/10/2012 2:03:19 PM PST by ItsForTheChildren
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To: ItsForTheChildren

” - - - Let those who voted for it eat it. - - - “

Great Point! Be sure to bring that idea to the floor at your State Constitutional Convention.

I intend to propose that all National Debt incurred by the US Federal Government after the plunge from this first of MANY Fiscal Cliffs be charged to precincts whose 2012 vote totals exceeded the 2012 registered voter totals. (That is one way to find out where the illegal aliens who vote live.)


170 posted on 11/10/2012 2:41:36 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: PapaNew
3) (most difficult at least at first) an effective deterrent and defense against foreign invasion,

Nukes command a lot of respect.


171 posted on 11/10/2012 3:13:47 PM PST by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: hopespringseternal

“I seriously doubt there will be many red states at all in ten years.”

There’ll be all red states in ten years...but not the red you’re thinking of right now, comrade.


172 posted on 11/10/2012 4:18:14 PM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: floridafree

Unfortunately, in Tampa we have a lot of Midwestern, former unionista liberals and dims, and Hillsborough Co. went for Obama. Orange and Seminole Co.’s did as well (whOrelando). We have a lot of work to do.


173 posted on 11/11/2012 5:24:21 AM PST by representativerepublic (...loose lips, sink ships)
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To: oneprolifewoman

Thanks for the post. Check out my website offering a concept for a new Texas constitution for a free and independent Texas: http://freetexasconstitution.wordpress.com/


174 posted on 11/11/2012 2:13:05 PM PST by grumpa
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To: oneprolifewoman

I hope we do secede.


175 posted on 11/11/2012 5:45:57 PM PST by austingirl
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To: tumblindice

Texas was a Republic for 10 years, Our independence day was March 2 1836.


176 posted on 11/11/2012 7:29:44 PM PST by Newton (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: GenXteacher

Bravo!!! The petitions are now for 15 states.I do not see the White House saying,”ok go ahead.” You are correct I think this is just a baby step towards an independent Texas.the big issue would come if they try to take away our right to bare arms.If Texas can possibly do it many states will follow. I will be the one holding the sign that says hey obama how do you like us now?Signed Texas


177 posted on 11/11/2012 8:03:06 PM PST by blfntx
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To: annieokie

” - - - - just how dangerous this Gov’t is. “

Yup. Maybe someday there will be a US Postage Stamp of a young Mother holding her tiny baby behind a wooden door as the FBI sniper bullet enters the door of the Mountain Cabin at Ruby Ridge - - - .


178 posted on 11/11/2012 9:41:56 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Graewoulf

I remember.......sad.


179 posted on 11/11/2012 9:51:20 PM PST by annieokie
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To: gemoftheocean
Give me a shotgun, lol. I can learn to reload shells.

Actually had to show that shotgun to three black thugs that came to my front door, didn't think anyone was home.

They rang the doorbell, that's when I flipped the light on, stunned they said "Is MO hea".

Giggling inside I ask "Who'd you say".

Them: "Mo, is he hea"...OMG they really said that? YES they did. lol

I raised the shotgun, pointed and told them "You get your black azz off my front porch, or yo mammys gonna clean you up".

Stunned they hesitated, I thought your kidding, you going to try it, come on, idiots.

Then I called the police: they wanted me to describe them. lol.

I said they were black, black clothing.

Officer asked: "What color hair", uh DUH

She asked: "What color eyes"....yes she did....lol

When the officer came, I told him that he better tell his buddies to stay away from my house.

He said "Buddies", yes, your buddies. You know the same ones that broke in here about 6 months ago, you caught them (I learned later), and let them go. (without telling me anything). THEIR BUDDIES/police fences.

So yes, I can use that shotgun. Hubby came home later and saw the gun out. Said I should have held it up and said "Yeah!, meet MO"......rofl

180 posted on 11/11/2012 10:04:14 PM PST by annieokie
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To: annieokie

I am in awe!

You are a great example of what it’s going to take: people not being afraid to confront the evil. Enough is enough!


181 posted on 11/12/2012 5:50:07 AM PST by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: annieokie

Yup.

Obama could have the Ruby Ridge Postal Stamp made now, and then start selling it to us on the day that his illegal Obama”care” Dictate takes full effect.

Sort of a hidden suggestion for us to “Pay Or I Spray” reality check - - - .


182 posted on 11/12/2012 5:58:42 AM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: nanetteclaret
IN awe! really........it's lots of fun to get "REVENGE".

I forgot to say that my front doors were double doors with panes. So I could see them coming up my driveway before they got to the door. I was ready.....

Hear this one: I lived at that time off a major street. Listening to the boom boxes all evening. About 2 a.m., I had enough.

Called the Police: get someone out here and stop that noise, people are trying to sleep.

Officer asked: where do you live?

ME: Your kidding?, you know where I live, you see it on your screen.

Officer said: we don't know who it is.

I said: it's the only car on the street right now, going up and down, headed that way.

Officer said: There is no law against that.

I said: really? I think it is called disturbing the peace. Oh, never mind, I've got my shotgun, I'll take care of the problem. Click and I hung up. rofl....

Went to my front door, looked out and lo and behold about 3 cop cars roaming up and down..........hahahahaha.

I think they were looking for that crazy OLD lady with her shotgun. rofl....., but the noise stopped and I got a good nights sleep.

183 posted on 11/12/2012 6:41:04 AM PST by annieokie
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To: Graewoulf

rofl.........stop giving them HINTS........


184 posted on 11/12/2012 6:42:27 AM PST by annieokie
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To: Bshaw

all right then let’s get this thing rolling.


185 posted on 11/12/2012 10:21:54 AM PST by reflecting
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To: reflecting

Technically, the entire population in the world could live in Texas. Go check it out.


186 posted on 11/13/2012 3:35:25 PM PST by s615
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To: PapaNew

It’s Texas...Everyone and their dog knows how to make a rocket launcher out of a weed-eater and gunpowder.


187 posted on 11/13/2012 9:33:46 PM PST by CalebJ
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To: HannibalHamlinJr

hahahaha! “Obama would still has 57”, Classic!

I’m pretty sure myself and the rest of Oklahoma will aid TX if O man decides it would be best to kill all the Texans first. I wouldn’t mind leaving the US to become a Texan.


188 posted on 11/13/2012 9:36:58 PM PST by CalebJ
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To: oneprolifewoman

Someone at Vox Day posted this idea for a California proposition.

Article 1. The Constitution of the State of California, and all the Laws of of the State of California, are hereby repealed; except that Proposition 13 is retained.

Article 2. The Constitution of the State of Texas, is hereby adopted as the Constitution of California, and the Laws of the State of Texas are adopted as the Laws of California.

Our Slogan: No New Taxes — Yes, New Texas!


189 posted on 11/19/2012 6:53:13 PM PST by Rytwyng (I'm still fond of the United States. I just can't find it. -- Fred Reed)
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To: JustaCowgirl; oneprolifewoman
150 posted on Sat Nov 10 2012 07:51:26 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time) by JustaCowgirl: “Think East Germany versus West Germany, North Korea versus South Korea.”

I understand the point about North vs South Korea, but that's too extreme. It took a terrible war and the backing of Mao to let the Kim dynasty create its nightmare of centralized planning, and that won't happen in America in just a few years. It took decades for the Kim dynasty to do its damage with much more control than any American president.

A better parallel might be Western Europe by the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s versus the United States. One set of governments was reaping the consequences of a generation of socialism while the United States was turning away from socialism. We are now seeing the collapse of the economy of Greece and several other nations are close to the brink.

However, let's back off from talk about secession of Texas or anyplace else. It might be fun to talk about for some people, but it's not going to happen, especially with President Obama who is a student of Lincoln and the Civil War. I could imagine some liberal Democratic president down the road agreeing to a peaceful withdrawal by some of the conservative states that cause him problems, but it will not be Obama doing that.

We need to focus our energies on things that actually can work, and that means preparing to repeat in 2014 what happened in the 2010 elections, hopefully showing to the Republican Party that conservative policies win elections while RINO policies lose.

In theory, peaceful secession is merely a discussion of politics. But as for advocating violent overthrow of the government — I haven't seen that here yet, but if someone starts to advocate it, that needs to be shut down immediately. Those of us who care about original intent of the Constitution need to pay careful attention to the definition of treason.

Again, I am not accusing anyone of advocating the violent overthrow of the government. What I **AM** saying is that what we write is being watched. Advocating secession is a waste of time we could be using to do something productive, but I hope everyone advocating that realizes they need to steer very clear of things that are legally defined as treason.

It's already been asked on this thread how conservatives will communicate with each other in a country that bans things like Free Republic. All it would take would be a few trolls and disruptors to advocate violent revolution to give federal agents entirely valid constitutional grounds to investigate a lot of people on this website.

Let's not make that kind of mistake.

190 posted on 11/23/2012 7:55:34 PM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: Rytwyng
Q. How would Texas create valid deterrents and defend itself from foreign invasion including the U.S.?

A. Insurgents always beat organizsed, mechanized militaries. So you don't need an army, you just need an entire male population, armed and ready to become insurgents....From twenty years old and upward, all that are able to go forth to war..."

To the persons who communicated re: this post... What I'm suggesting, as a national DEFENSE for an independent Texas (or Vermont, or Alberta), is not greatly different from what Switzerland does. Most Swiss men of the right age, are part of the Swiss Army, keep their military rifles at home when not on duty, and engage in regular military training. The purpose of this, is exactly as I described in that original post: "Nobody will attack, nobody will invade." In other words, PEACE.

Heavily armed Switzerland, is one of the most peaceful, low-crime, and LEAST terrorist country in the world. Forget Texas secession -- if America ever recovers her sanity, I'd advocate the Swiss model for America herself. After all, the founding fathers plainly stated that we needed a "well regulated militia", noting that the 18th century phrase, well-regulated, in this context had a connotation of military preparedness.

For the one person who thought I was advocating terrorism -- NO -- and, I'm sorry you got the wrong impression. I want the exact opposite: a free, armed, neutral republic, that can prevent or fend off any attack, but otherwise, minds its own business.

191 posted on 06/02/2013 10:53:25 PM PDT by Rytwyng
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