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Petition started asking Obama to allow Texas to secede from the Union
White House Petitions site ^

Posted on 11/09/2012 6:58:13 PM PST by oneprolifewoman

"The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government's neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the US suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it's citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government."

KEYWORDS: cwii; texas
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To: JoeDetweiler

I would give up USSA citizenship immediately and become a Texan.

141 posted on 11/10/2012 2:00:19 AM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: oneprolifewoman

Louisiana has done this as well. You can find their petition on the same website.

142 posted on 11/10/2012 3:09:03 AM PST by she geek
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To: Rytwyng

And all conservative women should learn how to use firearms too. Many a granny has taken out some feral thug.

143 posted on 11/10/2012 3:39:37 AM PST by gemoftheocean (...geez, this all seems so straight forward and logical to me...)
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To: oneprolifewoman

I am more concerned about my signature and personal info on a petition posted at the site being forwarded to the new Dept. of Revenge

144 posted on 11/10/2012 3:56:41 AM PST by liberateUS
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To: Fzob
"Last time I checked no one has to ask the President for permission to secede."

That's particularly true for Texas. The independent Republic of Texas joined the union by executing a treaty with the US. It was the only state to join in such a manner. The treaty stipulates that Texas can leave the union any time it wants to. Permission is not necessary.

145 posted on 11/10/2012 4:44:57 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: oneprolifewoman

I’m ready.

146 posted on 11/10/2012 5:31:42 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (0 bummer inherited a worse economy in 2012 than he did in 2008.)
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To: reflecting

“Texas is big, but not big enough to hold all of us who would move there if it did secede.”

Want to bet? If the population of the world lived in Texas, roughly 7 billion people, each person would have approximately 1/3 of an acre.

No land would be left for agriculture or business, but the point is everybody alive would fit in that state, while the rest of the planet would be empty.

147 posted on 11/10/2012 5:34:12 AM PST by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: beckysueb

“You left out Tennessee. We are a conservative red state.”

What will Tennessee do with its super-majority? Enhance its RINOness or move further right?

148 posted on 11/10/2012 5:37:10 AM PST by greatvikingone
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To: JoeDetweiler

My folks, sister and brother-in-law are there already. Would just need to find a job.

149 posted on 11/10/2012 5:48:47 AM PST by stratman1969
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To: floridafree
Lets dissolve the Union...let the Blue States create the Socialist Utopia they want and we in the Red States can build our Capitalist Free Enterprise System for Dreamers and Doers. Can you imagine the Economic Engine that would be unleashed without the shackles of the massive fed government and liberals? They would fall apart and we would thrive. We do not need or want them.

Think East Germany versus West Germany, North Korea versus South Korea.

150 posted on 11/10/2012 5:51:26 AM PST by JustaCowgirl (Revolutions are not born out of success, they are born out of despair)
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To: justa-hairyape
Since when does over 25 million people, need to ask one person if they can do something ?

What is never?

151 posted on 11/10/2012 6:09:45 AM PST by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: molson209
but how much of Texas is federal land ,that Obama would keep


152 posted on 11/10/2012 6:29:50 AM PST by deport
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To: mom of young patriots
No person shall be allowed to cast a vote who has not satisfied the requirements of residence, ownership, employment, self-sufficiency and tax payment.

A person meets the requirements of residence if they were living in Texas at the time of secession or have met the requirements of naturalization.

A person meets the requirements of ownership if they own a residence of at least 1000 square feet with plumbing and electrical utilities constituting a kitchen and bathroom OR if a person owns at least one acre of land OR owns a business that pays taxes equal to or greater than 10% of the average tax bill for all businesses in the state.

A person meets the requirements of employment if they have received in payment for services rendered or goods received an amount greater than 10% of the average income for the previous year. A person does not meet the requirements of employment if their sole source of income is a salary issued by a government agency.

A person meets the standard of self sufficiency if they have not, for five years prior to the day the ballot has been cast, received payment from the government except as a refund for overpayment. This includes any government guaranteed loan.

A person meets the standard of tax payment if they have remitted to taxing authorities an amount equal to 10% of the average of all tax payments.

Fraudulently casting a ballot when these requirements have not been met constitutes an act of treason against the state. Attempting to aid another person circumvent these requirements through fraudulent means constitutes an act of treason.

153 posted on 11/10/2012 6:32:24 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: floridafree

As one who currently lives in a RED Fla. county too.

Great post. Alaska would also secede. Plus some states that voted blue would break-up because they are rurally conservative ruled by liberal cities. Example Illinois- SW Illinois would break away from Chi-town, Eastern Washington would break away from Seattle and even Eastern CA, the bread basket of Ca, might break away, too many illegal immigrants put a doubt on it but.... Rural Nevada though not very polulated may want to divorce from Vegas. Va could break up with Southern and Western Va seceding, from Northern Va. The current state lines may disintegrate in such areas if secession become an option with the conservatives parts exiting.

154 posted on 11/10/2012 6:45:31 AM PST by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: mom of young patriots
Some initial thoughts...

Some things I think would need to be clearly & simply spelled out:

We should distrust the "Republic of Texas" as did the founders of any central government. A Republic of Texas would have the same pressures to extend its power and influence over the people as any other government in the history of the world. All should flow from the basic premise that God has given men certain unalienable rights. Man, inherent from his Creator, has certain unalienable rights and power including life, liberty and the peaceful pursuit of his own happiness. The Republic of Texas has no inherent rights or powers except those delegated it by the People of Texas. The Republic of Texas is LIMITED by those powers ENUMERATED in the Texas Constitution, DELEGATED to it by the people.

What will be the main decentralization units (maybe the Counties)? Then, the powers not delegated to the Republic of Texas by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to [the Counties] are reserved to the [Counties], respectively, or to the people. (Revised 10th Amendment.)

Repetition is not a bad thing, but necessary, in law because courts tend to construe law for their own purposes. It should be therefore, be plainly expressed that the "Bill of Rights" is not an enumeration of rights to the [Counties] and people. Those powers which are NOT in the Bill of Rights remain reserved for the [Counties] respectively, or to the people, unless otherwise delegated to Texas by the Constitution or prohibited by it to the [Counties].

Another problem with having an extensive Bill of Rights is enforcement by the Government. This is how the Communist countries operate and is counterproductive. The purpose of a Bill of Rights should be to simply clarify certain details as a proscription against the Government of Texas, NOT as an excuse for Texas to enforce every perceived violation among the [Counties] or people. Each [County] should have its own rules of government as the people of the [Counties] choose. The only thing the Government of Texas should have to power to do is DEFEND its citizens from attack from a foreign nation or, mostly in the courts rather than legislatively, from interference of an individual’s life, liberty, or peaceful pursuits by another.

I would outlaw the income tax because it allows the government to use the tax for social engineering (even within the "progressive" prohibition) and way too much intrusiveness into people’s personal lives and also allows an oppressive enforcement regime (the U.S. IRS, for example) counter to a free society. A flat Retail Sales Tax would inherently be much less intrusive and simpler and have fewer drawbacks. One drawback to watch out for however would be government attempts to fix or otherwise monkey around with prices to try to maximize their revenues. Texas would need to be prohibited from ALL ECONOMIC ENGAGEMENT EXCEPT to settle SPECIFIC DISPUTES between [counties].

155 posted on 11/10/2012 6:49:46 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: hopespringseternal
No free stuff means no freeloaders

Except for Freddie.

156 posted on 11/10/2012 6:52:58 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: OrangeHoof
Immigrants should not be thought of as threats. We should welcome immigrants and think of them the way pre-1930 America thought of them as memorialized in the base of the Statue of Liberty. Some of the most loyal American citizens, for example, are immigrants who came here for opportunity, not handouts. The only requirement should be a pledge of allegiance to Texas and the laws therein.

In free societies, people are thought of as a good thing. In oppressive socialist and Marxist societies, people are looked at with suspicion and are considered a drain to the "entitlement" regime. In a free society, the more people the better, because they have to make their own way, are responsible for their own decisions and in so doing become productive members of society. If not, only they are the losers. Overall, a benevolent, free society is the best place to live on earth.

157 posted on 11/10/2012 7:07:08 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: hopespringseternal
Income tax with its oppressive and intrusive enforcement requirements should be banned and replaced by the relatively simple, straightforward Retail Sales Tax. Nothing is perfect but a Retail Sales Tax should be much better that the income tax which allows government intrusiveness into every part of our lives and Nazi-like oppression of the IRS.

One of our biggest problems would be to counter the "intellectual elites" and "progressives" who would want to undermine the efforts to make Texas a benevolent and free society.

158 posted on 11/10/2012 7:26:33 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: oneprolifewoman

159 posted on 11/10/2012 7:53:36 AM PST by grumpa
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To: annieokie

” - - - - I would love to see OK join TX in secession. - - - “

“I wasn’t born in TEXAS, but I got here as quick as I could.”

BTW, at the present rate of grown of Obamanation Communism in the former USA, Secession might, could, come about “Sooner” than the flick of a lamb’s tail.

160 posted on 11/10/2012 7:59:36 AM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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