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How the West Was Lost by Native Americans
Frontiers of Anthropology ^ | 11-20-2012 | Dale Drinnon

Posted on 11/21/2012 5:24:18 AM PST by Renfield

Everybody knows that Europeans took a lot of land from Native Americans, but this animated GIF by Tumblr user sunisup gives a great sense of just how fast the people living in North America were pushed west after Christopher Columbus "discovered" the continent.

She turned an old graphic by Louisiana State professor Sam B. Hillard into a mini-movie that viscerally demonstrates the gradual chopping away of Native American land through cessions, or a surrender of territory to another entity. The green represents Native American land, and any part that turns white was ceded. She writes: "Made because I was having trouble visualizing the sheer scale of the land loss, and reading numbers like 'blah blah million acres' wasn’t really doing it for me." Numbers wise, the amount of green land shown after 1895 is about 2.3 percent of the original size.
Hillard got his information from the Bureau of Indian Affairs and Bureau of American Ethnology. The history of Native Americans is complicated, so the graphic only documents land that was ceded. Any land that was ceded but then later turned into a reservation may shop up again later in the time lapse. Whatever the in-between negotiations, it's clear the land disappeared quickly. The difference between 1784 and present day Indian reservations is striking.


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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: americanindians; anthropology; godsgravesglyphs; indians
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1 posted on 11/21/2012 5:24:29 AM PST by Renfield
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


2 posted on 11/21/2012 5:25:09 AM PST by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Renfield
Civilization and savagery cannot co exist. One has to lose to the other. <

The coming of the white man was a net benefit to the white man and the indian living in North America.

P.S. Everyone born here is a native American. No one group has the right to arrogate such a title.

3 posted on 11/21/2012 5:29:22 AM PST by Stepan12
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To: Stepan12

well, for classification, what term would you use to define a person who identifies with a pre-columbus ethnicity?


4 posted on 11/21/2012 5:33:57 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Stepan12
Also, in some cases the native Americans were civilised -- I'm thinking of the Pueblo Indians -- and city dwellers

civilised is also a loaded word, do we mean a passed down culture or a city dwelling culture? Native epics etc? i mean, at what point do we say that for instance the English were civilised? Was it when they were Christianized? When the literacy levels went more than 50%?

5 posted on 11/21/2012 5:38:09 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Stepan12

The idea that Native americans have some special rights is ludicrous. They were nomads. Conquering territory wa the rule both for the world and the indians at the time.


6 posted on 11/21/2012 5:39:02 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Renfield

Don't worry, we are all gonna end up on the US Reservation where we will need permission to do anything, healthcare, taxes, and rights will be gone. Joy.

7 posted on 11/21/2012 5:39:27 AM PST by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: Stepan12

Who gets to define civilization and savagely?


8 posted on 11/21/2012 5:43:05 AM PST by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Stepan12

Who gets to define civilization and savagely?


9 posted on 11/21/2012 5:43:19 AM PST by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Renfield

Looks like a map of GOP cave-ins.


10 posted on 11/21/2012 5:43:35 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Cronos

“well, for classification, what term would you use to define a person who identifies with a pre-columbus ethnicity?”

Injuns!


11 posted on 11/21/2012 5:44:33 AM PST by mkboyce
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To: Cronos

“well, for classification, what term would you use to define a person who identifies with a pre-columbus ethnicity?”

North Asian migrants


12 posted on 11/21/2012 5:45:32 AM PST by mkboyce
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To: Renfield

It sucks to be a Neolithic people facing the forces of the Enlightenment. Europeans acquired the lands of North America through the accepted real estate transfer process used by Indians; conquest.


13 posted on 11/21/2012 5:45:51 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Renfield

ping


14 posted on 11/21/2012 5:52:54 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: Renfield

When a culture without a wheel meets a culture with a wheel, guess who gets rolled over. — Darwin Rules


15 posted on 11/21/2012 5:53:54 AM PST by Lexington Green (Massive voter fraud - A stolen election)
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To: Stepan12
The coming of the white man was a net benefit to the white man and the indian living in North America.

Well, if you consider being dead a benefit over being alive, as is true of the millions that died of disease.

Of course, the disease deaths (which exceeded the actual killings of native Americans probably by a factor of 10) weren't deliberate, and they would have happened even if the Europeans had visited in small numbers to conduct multicultural diversity seminars and then left; of course there was no understanding at the time of how infectious disease was transmitted, either.

16 posted on 11/21/2012 5:54:55 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: Renfield

One word:

Rifle

Nuff said.


17 posted on 11/21/2012 5:55:58 AM PST by djf (Conservative ideals help the poor. Liberal practice help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: Cronos; Stepan12

>>well, for classification, what term would you use to define a person who identifies with a pre-columbus ethnicity?

Aboriginal Americans?


18 posted on 11/21/2012 5:56:17 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: muir_redwoods

Yes but it was the speed and sheer numbers of so many different conquerors that makes it so different.


19 posted on 11/21/2012 5:58:32 AM PST by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: muir_redwoods

Yes but it was the speed and sheer numbers of so many different conquerors that makes it so different.


20 posted on 11/21/2012 5:58:44 AM PST by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Cronos
The concept of America was the product of European settlers. Americans are a distinct and recognizable nationality. Place an American of German ancestry into Germany and he will be instantly perceived to be an American even if he is fluent in German. Irish Americans who go back to their ancestral homeland are seen not as lost kinsmen but as Yanks just like visiting Americans of English or Jewish background. A majority of white Americans are of mixed European ancestry, varying by region. For instance, in the Upper Midwest, there are mixtures of German (including Swiss and Austrian), Dutch, Flemish, and Scandinavian ancestry. The Northeast has mixtures of Italian, Irish, Slavic, and French Canadian ancestry. Appalachia has mixed Scotch-Irish and English ancestry, with some Germans, Scots, French, Irish, Welsh, and Cherokee as well.

The areas of the country largely settled by white Americans of pre-Revolutionary ancestry have a high percentage of persons who self-identify as Americans. This is true in the Deep South, northern New England, and the Ohio Valley. A similar phenomenon may be noted among English-speaking Canadians, who increasingly self-identify as Canadians rather than Scots, English, Irish, etc.

As for the American Indian/Native American, there is no really good term, unless we use the term aborigine, as the Australians do, or Original People, a term used by the Canadian government.

21 posted on 11/21/2012 6:04:50 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: stuartcr

A civilization is often described as a complex culture with 5 characteristics: cities, specialized workers, record keeping/literacy, institutions, and a level of technology roughly equal to that of the Sumerians or Egyptians.


22 posted on 11/21/2012 6:06:24 AM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Renfield

We get it: white people are inherently evil and earth would still be the Garden of Eden if they weren’t around.


23 posted on 11/21/2012 6:08:02 AM PST by windsorknot
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To: Renfield

Whew, does this not give any background at all. Background essential to knowing what happened.

To start with, when the British colonies were established on the coasts, westward expansion was effectively blocked by the northern and southern tribes, except that in pre-history, they had such an enormous and bitter war, that they had agreed that most of the area of what is now Kentucky was a “neutral zone”, prohibited to both sides.

So when new immigrants, particularly tough Scots-borderers arrived, they were encouraged to settle in Kentucky, making an effective wedge between the northern and southern tribes. Once established, neither Indian confederation could drive them out. So a westward expansion corridor was created.

The next big problem came with the Louisiana Purchase, which included vast areas claimed by the Plains Indians. But these claims were problematic, as there were far too few Plains Indians to control such an area except intermittently. Settlers could easily move in and set up defenses before their presence was detected.

Then came Andrew Jackson, who though he had fought side by side with Indians against the French, had no problem in ordering a massive “ethnic cleansing” of the southern tribes, pushing them West across the Mississippi. The infamous “Trail of Tears”.

The next phase of westward expansion was conducted to a great extent with considerable tact and diplomacy by the US military, whenever they could, who generally rejected the anti-Indian hatred devolved from Washington.

But at the same time, the US military was well aware that it faced several very large and reasonably capable armies of the western tribes, most of whom were more than willing to go toe-to-toe with them in a fight.

Much of this came to a head with a withdrawal of many US Army forces because of the Civil War. But after the war was over, the battle hardened Army went West with resolve and broke the resistance of the western tribes during the Indian Wars. The last skirmishes ended just before the turn of the 20th Century.


24 posted on 11/21/2012 6:08:10 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: FreedomPoster

> Aboriginal Americans

Why FreedomPoster, you must be from my generation.
When I was in school (50s & early 60s) the PC term for indians as Aboriginal Americans. Americans like me were called Native Americans, because we were born here and our families had been here for generations.
In this day, how far back do you have to trace your ancestry to be able to use ther term Native. My family is traceable back 406 years.


25 posted on 11/21/2012 6:08:26 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Children, pets, and slaves get taken care of. Free Men take care of themselves.)
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To: Renfield

It just took one hundred and eleven years for the ignorant freedom loving Indians to lose America to the Europeans.

It has actually taken less than that for the ignorant freedom loving whites to lose it to the socialists.

The only consolation in the whole thing is that there has to be a purpose behind it that is ordained by God.


26 posted on 11/21/2012 6:09:53 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: Renfield

I often offer this speculation in regards to the Native Americans: what do you think would have happened if it were Genghis Khan or Tamerlane who had come here instead of Columbus?


27 posted on 11/21/2012 6:11:54 AM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: mkboyce

“Well, for classification, what term would you use to define a person who identifies with a pre-columbus ethnicity? >North Asian migrants”

Probably the most accurate term. When I was deployed to Central Asia, the Uzbeks told me of their wide ranging Turkic ancestors. A young Uzbek woman with a UCLA degree said to me, “We headed west and conquered Constantinople, we headed east and defeated Custer!”

She was so good looking I could only nod in agreement.

;^)


28 posted on 11/21/2012 6:20:25 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: BuffaloJack

I’m a tad younger. One just has to have a reasonable command of the language, and not be wedded to the constraints of political correctness (AKA cultural Marxism) to be able to come up with a properly descriptive term. You are, indeed, a native American.


29 posted on 11/21/2012 6:21:53 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: Cronos
well, for classification, what term would you use to define a person who identifies with a pre-columbus ethnicity?

Asian invader

30 posted on 11/21/2012 6:26:45 AM PST by Roccus
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To: Renfield

“All the problems we face in the United States today can be traced to an unenlightened immigration policy on the part of the American Indian.”- Pat Paulsen


31 posted on 11/21/2012 6:30:17 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Superciliousness is the essence of Obama)
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To: Cronos
well, for classification, what term would you use to define a person who identifies with a pre-columbus ethnicity?

Asian immigrants!

32 posted on 11/21/2012 6:39:17 AM PST by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: stuartcr

It’s no one’s fault the warriors weren’t up to the challenge. When you play with the big boys you might lose your toys.


33 posted on 11/21/2012 6:41:05 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Renfield
Everything I needed to know about the cultural results of unlimited immigration I learned from the American Indians.
34 posted on 11/21/2012 6:45:34 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Big Bird is a brood parasite: laid in our nest 43 years ago and we are still feeding him.)
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To: Theoria

Great clip!


35 posted on 11/21/2012 6:47:18 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: muir_redwoods
It sucks to be a Neolithic people facing the forces of the Enlightenment. Europeans acquired the lands of North America through the accepted real estate transfer process used by Indians; conquest.

That about sums it up in a historically accurate way.

36 posted on 11/21/2012 6:47:18 AM PST by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: Renfield
Left out the Eastern Band Cherokee Reservation in Western North Carolina.


37 posted on 11/21/2012 6:56:02 AM PST by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: Renfield
I hate the scare quotes around “discovered”.

Sure America existed before Columbus discovered it for Europe.

Genetics also existed before Gregor Mendel discovered its rules. DNA existed before Watson, Crick and Franklin discovered the structure of DNA. Gravity bent light before Einstein discovered the principle and before the principle was observed and measured.

38 posted on 11/21/2012 6:58:13 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Then came Andrew Jackson, who though he had fought side by side with Indians against the French, had no problem in ordering a massive “ethnic cleansing” of the southern tribes, pushing them West across the Mississippi. The infamous “Trail of Tears”.

Just for the record, Andrew Jackson never fought against the French. He was a mere Carolina lad of 7 years when the first shots of the Revolutionary War were fired at Lexington Green. He was a early teenager when he first encountered a British soldier in that war and acquired a hatred for them which would last a lifetime.

His cruel policies toward Indians were a natural outgrowth of his seeing them as allies and collaborators to the British to limit American expansion.

39 posted on 11/21/2012 6:58:24 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Sacajaweau
The idea that Native americans have some special rights is ludicrous. They were nomads.

Nonsense. In 1492 the vast majority of people in the Western Hemisphere were settled farmers.

40 posted on 11/21/2012 6:58:40 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: BwanaNdege

I think they left out a number of reservations in the Midwest too.


41 posted on 11/21/2012 7:02:31 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: GenXteacher
LOL!

I think of it this way.

Why was the nomadic nature worshiping Amerindian given so much credit for living at one with nature and being enlightened - while the nomadic nature worshiping Mongol is given so little credit for living at one with nature and being enlightened?

42 posted on 11/21/2012 7:02:49 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Renfield

I read a biography of Lewis and Clark awhile back (?Undaunted Courage?). In it there was a basic culture clash between white guys who thought that manhood meant growing up to be prosperous, and well-respected for leadership in the community, and native guys who thought that manhood meant being a warrior. The whole idea of having peace with other tribes, including the white one, seemed ludicrous to young tribesmen, because it would basically mean that they would never have a chance to be real men. Peace was for wusses. If those were the underlying assumptions of the two groups of men, I can see why peace and understanding didn’t happen.


43 posted on 11/21/2012 7:05:29 AM PST by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: BwanaNdege

I noticed that too. No Carolina Cherokees.
Isn’t there any Seminole land in FL?


44 posted on 11/21/2012 7:05:52 AM PST by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
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To: Roccus
:)

But seriously, unless we get rid of the racial classifications, they have to be called something. Native American is one choice

45 posted on 11/21/2012 7:07:51 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: RadiationRomeo

Several Seminole reservations in the Everglades.


46 posted on 11/21/2012 7:07:51 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: married21
In it there was a basic culture clash between white guys who thought that manhood meant growing up to be prosperous, and well-respected for leadership in the community, and native guys who thought that manhood meant being a warrior. The whole idea of having peace with other tribes, including the white one, seemed ludicrous to young tribesmen, because it would basically mean that they would never have a chance to be real men.

Kind of sounds like the clash between British and German cultures in the 1930s.

47 posted on 11/21/2012 7:09:23 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: RadiationRomeo
Isn’t there any Seminole land in FL?

This Saturday, it's going to be taken over by Gators. ;)

48 posted on 11/21/2012 7:10:40 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Wallace T.
As for the American Indian/Native American, there is no really good term, unless we use the term aborigine, as the Australians do, or Original People, a term used by the Canadian government.

Imho those terms make more sense.

49 posted on 11/21/2012 7:11:25 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Stepan12
"Civilization and savagery cannot co exist. One has to lose to the other."

And those who aren't ready to get back to frontier living are going to be licking the boots of their ultra organized, high tech masters.

50 posted on 11/21/2012 7:12:02 AM PST by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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