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Where's the science in the search for Sasquatch?
NJ.com ^ | 07.22.12 | Brian Regal

Posted on 11/26/2012 9:40:22 AM PST by Coleus

The National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Agency recently issued a statement indicating it knew of no evidence of the existence of “aquatic humanoids.”

This remarkable statement was prompted by calls from viewers of Animal Planet’s “Mermaids: the Body Found,” which claimed such creatures exist. A swarm of television programs, listed as “scientific” and “reality based,” perpetuate similar pseudoscientific ideas that are gobbled up by viewers, especially kids.

This incident illustrates a dangerous trend: Viewers’ acceptance of claims made by untrained laypeople as authoritative, and their simultaneous rejection of work done by experts in science, history and politics. This idea argues that egg-headed specialists — with a lifetime of focused academic work, peer-reviewed scholarship and study — are hiding the “truth” from us so that the only way to get answers is from down-home folks with little schooling but good sense. In other words, formal education is bad.

One program that encourages this fallacy is “Finding Bigfoot” (also a product of Animal Planet). It follows members of a group called the Bigfoot Field Research Organization as they search for the elusive creature. The investigators travel to various locations of supposed Bigfoot activity, with the genre staples of night vision cameras and hushed voices. While full of enthusiasm, the BFRO members don’t seem to have any technical training or follow scientific method in their search. They often say, “There are ’squatches here!” but viewers never see the big hairy beasts. And that’s about all. The show imparts no knowledge of environmental science, animal behavior studies, primate anatomy or even the history of monster hunting. Yet with spurious “evidence,” the group makes claims that the creatures are real and just around the corner, and expects us to accept it.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Science; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: bigfoot; monsters; sasquatch

1 posted on 11/26/2012 9:40:26 AM PST by Coleus
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To: Coleus
The standard way to find if an animal is in a certain area is to place out a bait container. Then you put a barbed wire fence around it. Come back in a few weeks and take samples of the hairs caught in the barbed wire and analyze to see what animal species they belong to.

This method showed that wolverines were in an area where they were supposed to be extinct. They should easily catch a hairy Sasquatch.

2 posted on 11/26/2012 9:53:39 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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To: Coleus

Having reviewed much of the data, I find the evidence for Sasquatch more compelling than that for man made global warming. I’m pretty confident both are hoaxes, but if I had to put my money on one of them being real, bigfoot would get the nod.


3 posted on 11/26/2012 9:54:26 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Having reviewed much of the data, I find the evidence for Sasquatch more compelling than that for man made global warming. I’m pretty confident both are hoaxes, but if I had to put my money on one of them being real, bigfoot would get the nod.

At least with global warming, there is data to examine, after which it is easy to conclude that it represents nothing more than natural variance in our climate. With bigfoot, there is no data and no evidence. No more so than for ghosts, fairies or leprechauns.
4 posted on 11/26/2012 10:01:30 AM PST by ZX12R
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To: Coleus

Bo Bo is science personified.


6 posted on 11/26/2012 10:20:21 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: ZX12R

Actually, with bigfoot (and by that I’m referring to the general Sasquatch/Yeti/Skunk ape proto-myth) there is a ton of testimonial evidence going back centuries. Granted, an overwhelming portion of it can be readily dismissed, but there is some from credible sources who had more to lose than gain by reporting it.


7 posted on 11/26/2012 10:27:51 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

I remember when leonard nimoy hosted a tv show call “in search of” where he talked about this and the bermuda triangle, lock ness monster and so on. One thing I always noticed - that there was never a clear photograph of anything they showed, same with the national enquirer.


8 posted on 11/26/2012 10:37:39 AM PST by Coleus
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To: Joe 6-pack
Actually, with bigfoot (and by that I’m referring to the general Sasquatch/Yeti/Skunk ape proto-myth) there is a ton of testimonial evidence going back centuries.

Perhaps, but I think it's more likely that what goes back centuries, is man's active imagination, which kicks into high gear when he sees "something" that isn't immediately recognized as common in his mind. Due to low lighting, profile presented, rarity of animal sighting in that area, viewing angle, etc.
9 posted on 11/26/2012 10:39:47 AM PST by ZX12R
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To: ZX12R
With bigfoot, there is no data and no evidence.

Folklore going back hundreds of years from unrelated areas of the world tells of the same creature, with consistent descriptions. Footprints are frequently found; calls are occasionally heard. The Patterson film of 1967 and a couple of more contemporary dashcam videos from police units are evidence that has not yet been disproven. The attempts to get them on wildlife cameras have been unsuccessful, but an intelligent primate would tend to shy away from anything new in its environment; it's a survival instinct.

10 posted on 11/26/2012 10:50:50 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed
Folklore going back hundreds of years from unrelated areas of the world tells of the same creature, with consistent descriptions. Footprints are frequently found; calls are occasionally heard. The Patterson film of 1967 and a couple of more contemporary dashcam videos from police units are evidence that has not yet been disproven. The attempts to get them on wildlife cameras have been unsuccessful, but an intelligent primate would tend to shy away from anything new in its environment; it's a survival instinct.

None of that is evidence. It is conjecture.
11 posted on 11/26/2012 11:10:37 AM PST by ZX12R
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To: Coleus

I’ve often been amazed at how well Bigfoot is able to dispose of their dead. Instead of looking for live Bigfoots these clowns should be looking for dead Bigfoots. But they never find any bones.


12 posted on 11/26/2012 11:13:10 AM PST by waredbird
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To: waredbird
But they never find any bones.

Scavengers.

14 posted on 11/26/2012 11:28:47 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmitt in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: ZX12R

Footprints and visual recordings are conjecture?


15 posted on 11/26/2012 11:28:53 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: ZX12R
"Perhaps, but I think it's more likely that what goes back centuries, is man's active imagination...Due to low lighting, profile presented, rarity of animal sighting in that area, viewing angle, etc."

As I said, many can be dismissed out of hand or with minimal follow up. There are; however, those sightings from experienced outdoorsmen, trappers, sherpas, etc. who have spent their lifetimes in the wilds and frequently use phraseology such as, "unlike anything I've ever seen." Again, I'm not going to argue the theory that vociferously as I generally don't believe, but as long as there is one credible sighting that can not be explained, I will continue to find it more credible than anthropogenic global warming.

16 posted on 11/26/2012 11:30:46 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: waredbird

In Africa, in gorilla territory, are gorilla bones commonly found?


17 posted on 11/26/2012 11:33:00 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed

Patterson film was disproven...the guy came forward and admitted he rented the suit.

There was less interest in the exposure of the hoax than there was in the hoax itself though.


18 posted on 11/26/2012 11:43:00 AM PST by willyd (Don't shoot, we're Republicans!)
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To: JimRed

if folklore going back centuries is proof of anything, then why aren’t there fairies, pots of gold at the end of rainbows, leprechauns, giants, mermaids, etc... folklore doesn’t automatically mean credibility.
if there WERE bigfoots (bigfeet?) then why after all these ‘centuries of folklore’, hasn’t anybody found a carcass? or anything that can be studied or analyzed?


19 posted on 11/26/2012 11:53:23 AM PST by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: JimRed
Footprints and visual recordings are conjecture?

If the footprints are hoaxes, and the recordings are hoaxes, then yes, they are conjecture on your part. You are supposing that they are the real deal.
20 posted on 11/26/2012 12:01:22 PM PST by ZX12R
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

That method was also used by some corrupt “scientists” in Oregon that were attempting to close down a potential ski area. I think they used rifle cleaning brushes, and they applied lynx hair too them.


21 posted on 11/26/2012 12:21:43 PM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

Large elk bones last several years.


22 posted on 11/26/2012 12:23:16 PM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Bo-bo,

there is a real scientist/researcher in action...

They go traipsing off through the woods like a pack of wild goats screaming and carrying on.

I would think blending in and cancelling out your scent and presence would be a far better tactic than the finding bigfoot scramble through the woods.


23 posted on 11/26/2012 12:32:34 PM PST by sarge83
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To: waredbird
I’ve often been amazed at how well Bigfoot is able to dispose of their dead. Instead of looking for live Bigfoots these clowns should be looking for dead Bigfoots. But they never find any bones.

They never will - At least in the mountains... Porcupines eat fresh bone like candy. And one very rarely runs across a carcass of say, a bear, or a mountain lion out in the woods - I have only seen one grizzly carcass in my whole life. Deer, elk, and even moose, sure... They are plentiful, so when they die, there is a good chance of their carcasses being stumbled upon... But anything that is predator, or above predation is also comparably rare.

I don't think most folks know how BIG 'wilderness' is.

24 posted on 11/26/2012 12:32:54 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: waredbird
I’ve often been amazed at how well Bigfoot is able to dispose of their dead. Instead of looking for live Bigfoots these clowns should be looking for dead Bigfoots. But they never find any bones.

Your point could be considered good evidence for them hiding their dead, or good evidence that there are no bodies, period. Either one fits, but which is overwhelmingly more likely?
25 posted on 11/26/2012 12:40:47 PM PST by ZX12R
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To: Joe 6-pack
I find the evidence for Sasquatch more compelling than that for man made global warming.

Now ya got me picturing AlGore running around in the woods wearing a gorilla suit to make a few more bucks for himself.

26 posted on 11/26/2012 12:45:30 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: JimRed
... couple of more contemporary dashcam videos from police units are evidence that has not yet been disproven.

I recently stumbled across that video from a State trooper dashcam in Georgia and it's very interesting to say the least...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHVbE4zhocQ

I for one who not be surprised at all if "Bigfoot" is eventually found...

28 posted on 11/26/2012 12:49:49 PM PST by Popman
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To: Coleus

The easiest way to disprove the existence of Bigfoot is to note the number of hunters, corn feeders, and game cameras in the woods every year. The hungry beast would have to stumble by one of them eventually.


29 posted on 11/26/2012 12:57:42 PM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: The Cajun

LOL...google ‘manbearpig’ :-)


30 posted on 11/26/2012 1:04:16 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Oh, I agree. After all, nobody has ever see Global Warming, but lots of people have seen Bigfoot.


31 posted on 11/26/2012 1:11:49 PM PST by irishtenor (Everything in moderation, however, too much whiskey is just enough... Mark Twain)
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To: sarge83

Seriously, though, the girl Rainay (sp?) is the only one who is a scientist and she’s also the doubtful one.

The other three are believers. Cliff is sort of scientifically minded. Matt Moneymaker in it to “make money” (and you know what his profession is? Lawyer, LOL!). Bobo just reminds me of a good natured pot head. Last night he did a Curly Howard and broke a bunch of beakers in a science lab they went to in order to get some hair DNA sampled.

But the truth is, they’ll never find anything even it a real bigfoot is out there. Do note that there must be a whole horde of cameramen, soundmen, directors and other assorted crew with them when the four are “alone” in the woods...


32 posted on 11/26/2012 1:17:11 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: sarge83
Bo-bo, there is a real scientist/researcher in action... They go traipsing off through the woods like a pack of wild goats screaming and carrying on. I would think blending in and cancelling out your scent and presence would be a far better tactic than the finding bigfoot scramble through the woods.

Here is what annoys me about their methodology... They show up in a hot bigfoot zone. (Pick a location, everywhere they go has bigfoots knocking and calling and throwing rocks at them.)They spend 2-3 days hearing stories, agreeing with every account, listening to the bigfoot sounds at night, and they decide there are definitely bigfeets here, in fact, this is one of the best places ever.

Then what do they do?

Well, time to head down the road to our next investigation. Bye.

How about spending a month and getting proof? Because that is hard to find.

33 posted on 11/26/2012 1:32:37 PM PST by eartrumpet
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To: Joe 6-pack
Back in the 1950s there was a section of Chacahoula Swamp bordering sugar cane fields we would totally avoid riding our bikes around as kids and field workers wouldn't’t work there without somebody having a shotgun.
Supposedly a very big man covered in hair was spotted over the years back there by the field workers.
Believe me, rural Louisiana, in the sticks, in the 50s, nobody knew about Sasquatch, Bigfoot or anything like that.
Few people even had TVs back then.
Always remember about that when I hear about Bigfoot, who knows?
Probably was a swamp bear, every now and then one is spotted.
34 posted on 11/26/2012 1:39:46 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

They tried the bait container in barbed wire enclosure, trace the hair procedure, but the guys sampling the hair were eaten by the Sasquatch. ;^0


35 posted on 11/26/2012 1:40:28 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: The Cajun

I’ve often wondered if there wasn’t a simpler spiritual explanation for the reports. (Taking the Quix line of reasoning, it wouldn’t surprise me is a flavor of demonic beast wasn’t involved in those sightings.)


36 posted on 11/26/2012 1:47:03 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: The Cajun

***** “Now ya got me picturing AlGore running around in the woods wearing a gorilla suit to make a few more bucks for himself.” ******

Residuals from “Man, Bear, Pig” are not enough? (Greedy Bastard)

TT


37 posted on 11/26/2012 1:56:26 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is islam. Moderate islam is the Trojan Horse.)
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To: Cvengr
If I had to put money, I'd say swamp bear.
A year or two ago one was caught south of Houma, not that far away and transported to the Atchafalaya National Wildlife Refuge.
I think a lot of *Bigfootings* are just bears viewed at a distance.
I own a lot of land back there now, mostly sugar cane fields, and still don't go back there carrying anything smaller than a .44 Redhawk, LOL.
Some memories last.
38 posted on 11/26/2012 2:01:57 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: willyd

I don’t believe it was disproven. Those who came forward admitting to the “hoax”, themselves are easilly disproven. Their claims just don’t add up.

http://www.bfro.net/news/korff_scam.asp


39 posted on 11/26/2012 2:47:54 PM PST by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: JimRed

Don’t be silly. There’s no such thing as gorillas. Scientists from the 19th century said so.


40 posted on 11/26/2012 2:50:13 PM PST by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: Coleus

I observe 3 deleted posts, and cannot help but wonder if those three posts contained pictures of a certain individual ...


41 posted on 11/26/2012 2:55:41 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Coleus
Where's the science in the search for Sasquatch?

The National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Agency recently issued a statement indicating it knew of no evidence of the existence of “aquatic humanoids.”

Sasquatch whereabouts is no secret. Known as "the Wookie," it lives in 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, Washigton D.C.

The couple who live in the BathHouse are "0b0z0ids." I'll leave it to scientists to decide whether they are "aquatic" or not.

42 posted on 11/26/2012 3:01:21 PM PST by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D. in L0w and H0lder)
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To: melancholy

Heidy ho...

Actually Sasquatches are probably quite benevolent and harmless compared to certain “humans” who resemble them...


43 posted on 11/26/2012 6:49:00 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: eartrumpet; sarge83; melancholy; azishot
They go traipsing off through the woods like a pack of wild goats screaming and carrying on.

Appears to be a harmless activity, and a male bonding experience. Also a fun thing which may include a lot of alcoholic beverages.

44 posted on 11/26/2012 8:03:03 PM PST by LucyT
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To: LucyT; melancholy

I’ve always heard that if you place arugula and other vegetables along a trail, sooner or later one will show up.
If no vegetables are available you could substitute lobsters.


45 posted on 11/27/2012 8:15:23 AM PST by azishot (When your life is on the line, lead is worth more than gold.)
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To: LucyT

LOL!!!


46 posted on 11/27/2012 11:14:10 AM PST by sarge83
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To: azishot; LucyT
If no vegetables are available you could substitute lobsters.

To make sure, photographers and hunters should forget about arugula and lobster. They should spread Alinsky droppings in a deep hole covered with greenbacks.

47 posted on 11/27/2012 1:22:48 PM PST by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D. in L0w and H0lder)
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To: little jeremiah
Actually Sasquatches are probably quite benevolent and harmless compared to certain “humans” who resemble them...

Please refrain from calling them "human" or I'd have no alternative to pressing the abuse button.

"human waste" may do.

48 posted on 11/27/2012 1:30:39 PM PST by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D. in L0w and H0lder)
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To: Coleus

A fella named M.K.Davis has posted some very interesting videos on YouTube. He’s a former satellite photo analyst for the government (I think) and has done some pretty interesting analysis of other people’s videos. Plus, he has a terrific accent.


49 posted on 11/27/2012 6:22:27 PM PST by Oratam
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