Posted on 12/19/2012 9:01:37 PM PST by djf
QED.
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I’ve been saying that all along.
How many “confiscation” missions could your average troop/whatever carry out before he was a statistic?
Three? Four?
Not very good odds.
Same thing with looters and zombies.
Casualties amongst those type would be incredibly high, the easiest thing at first is to kill each other for what little is left.
Once won gets to be an old fart, the mission becomes clear....
And I would bet you wouldn’t find many to come here under a blue helmet.
Don’t forget that IEDs may become the new Welcome Mat.
I don't think this quote especially applies to Denver or Aurora PD, and certainly not to Los Angeles, Baltimore, Chicago, New York City, Boston, or any other liberal big city police force.
Denver PD conducted a violent arrest of a symbolic, peaceful protestor, an image I will never forget nor forgive. It would have been enough for them to have one officer put his hand on the man's shoulder and announce, "I place you under arrest." But no, a bunch of officers jumped him, tackled him and, with knees to the neck and back, and in what might even have been a choke hold, put handcuffs in the most violent way possible. Despicable and unforgivable. The 98% who give the other 2% a bad name.
What P’s me off the most about this whole situation is the left has to admit one thing:
Ether the guy was loony as bat-shit or he was normal.
If they conclude he was normal, or anything near normal, then what they are really saying is the ALL normal, responsible, upright gun owners might do the same thing.
That means they want to lump maybe half or more middle class America in with the whackos.
One does not need to ‘take’ your guns. The Gov’t simply creates so many laws, that joe will eventually brake said law and will become a ‘criminal’ who will be denied their right to carry such a gun.
The outcome is not going to be good.
In retrospect, I think few gun owners would say that lady was anywheres near responsible in her ownership/handling/storage of her weapons, especially considering she had a KNOWN very troubled person living in her house.
She, and those innocent victims, paid the ultimate pride.
There in fact aren’t many units in police or military that can do the type of sweeps that would be required under gun confiscation. Most are trained for dynamic entry and most of the rest for field engagement. Problem is that once the word gets out they are going house to house, you won’t just be dealing with dynamic entry, you will have field engagement in an urban setting, arguably the most difficult of all engagements.
To imagine the difficulty of that, Walmart, the biggest non-govt employer in the U.S., has about 800K employees in the CONUS. IF, and it’s a big if, we could muster that level of troops for sweeps, imagine your local Walmart employees armed and trained to go thru the community and confiscate guns? Do you REALLY think that few people could accomplish such a task?
There is the ‘Mogadishu Line’ where you are so outnumbered on so many sides that no matter how good you are, you are just overwhelmed. That is what we’d have in a gun confiscation scenario. Keep in mind that many resisting gun confiscation would also have significant military combat experience from a number of different wars.
Please, Lord, let Hussein try to take our guns away. Please.
When did Denver pd violently take down a peaceful protester? What are the details?
I guess the assumption is that the typical gun owner will just hunker down in his own home and wait for the confiscators to arrive in the middle of some night.
Doesn't sound like a good plan to me. If I hadn't lost all of my guns in an unfortunate boating accident, I would just turn them all in and avoid all the trouble.
A gun is merely a tool. A very effective tool. Her son could simply have stabbed her, etc. The fault belongs to her son, not to her.
In Printz v. United States, (June 27, 1997), Judge Scalia for the Court stated:
...”Finally, and most conclusively in the present litigation, we turn to the prior jurisprudence of this Court. Federal commandeering of state governments is such a novel phenomenon that this Court’s first experience with it did not occur until the 1970’s, when the Environmental Protection Agency promulgated regulations requiring States to prescribe auto emissions testing, monitoring and retrofit programs, and to designate preferential bus and carpool lanes. The Courts of Appeals for the Fourth and Ninth Circuits invalidated the regulations on statutory grounds in order to avoid what they perceived to be grave constitutional issues, see Maryland v. EPA, 530 F. 2d 215, 226 (CA4 1975); Brown v. EPA, 521 F. 2d 827, 838–842 (CA9 1975); and the District of Columbia Circuit invalidated the regulations on both constitutional and statutory grounds, see District of Columbia v. Train, 521 F. 2d 971, 994 (CADC 1975). After we granted certiorari to review the statutory and constitutional validity of the regulations, the Government declined even to defend them, and instead rescinded some and conceded the invalidity of those that remained, leading us to vacate the opinions below and remand for consideration of mootness. EPA v. Brown, 431 U. S. 99 (1977).
“Although we had no occasion to pass upon the subject in Brown, later opinions of ours have made clear that the Federal Government may not compel the States to implement, by legislation or executive action, federal regulatory programs. In Hodel v. Virginia Surface Mining & Reclamation Assn., Inc. 452 U. S. 264 (1981), and FERC v. Mississippi, 456 U. S. 742 (1982), we sustained statutes against constitutional challenge only after assuring ourselves that they did not require the States to enforce federal law. In Hodel we cited the lower court cases in EPA v. Brown, supra, but concluded that the Surface Mining Control and Reclamation Act did not present the problem they raised because it merely made compliance with federal standards a precondition to continued state regulation in an otherwise pre-empted field, Hodel, supra, at 288. In FERC, we construed the most troubling provisions of the Public Utility Regulatory Policies Act of 1978, to contain only the ‘command’ that state agencies ‘consider’ federal standards, and again only as a precondition to continued state regulation of an otherwise pre-empted field. 456 U. S., at 764–765. We warned that ‘this Court never has sanctioned explicitly a federal command to the States to promulgate and enforce laws and regulations,’ id., at 761–762.
“When we were at last confronted squarely with a federal statute that unambiguously required the States to enact or administer a federal regulatory program, our decision should have come as no surprise. At issue in New York v. United States, 505 U. S. 144 (1992), were the so-called ‘take title’ provisions of the Low-Level Radioactive Waste Policy Amendments Act of 1985, which required States either to enact legislation providing for the disposal of radioactive waste generated within their borders, or to take title to, and possession of the waste—effectively requiring the States either to legislate pursuant to Congress’s directions, or to implement an administrative solution. Id., at 175–176. We concluded that Congress could constitutionally require the States to do neither. Id., at 176. ‘The Federal Government,’ we held, ‘may not compel the States to enact or administer a federal regulatory program.’ Id., at 188.
“The Government contends that New York is distinguishable on the following ground: unlike the ‘take title’ provisions invalidated there, the background-check provision of the Brady Act does not require state legislative or executive officials to make policy, but instead issues a final directive to state CLEOs. It is permissible, the Government asserts, for Congress to command state or local officials to assist in the implementation of federal law so long as ‘Congress itself devises a clear legislative solution that regulates private conduct’ and requires state or local officers to provide only ‘limited, non-policymaking help in enforcing that law.’ ‘[T]he constitutional line is crossed only when Congress compels the States to make law in their sovereign capacities.’ Brief for United States 16.
“The Government’s distinction between ‘making’ law and merely ‘enforcing’ it, between ‘policymaking’ and mere ‘implementation,’ is an interesting one. It is perhaps not meant to be the same as, but it is surely reminiscent of, the line that separates proper congressional conferral of Executive power from unconstitutional delegation of legislative authority for federal separation-of-powers purposes. See A. L. A. Schechter Poultry Corp. v. United States, 295 U. S. 495, 530 (1935); Panama Refining Co. v. Ryan, 293 U. S. 388, 428–429 (1935)”....”Even assuming, moreover, that the Brady Act leaves no ‘policymaking’ discretion with the States, we fail to see how that improves rather than worsens the intrusion upon state sovereignty. Preservation of the States as independent and autonomous political entities is arguably less undermined by requiring them to make policy in certain fields than (as Judge Sneed aptly described it over two decades ago) by ‘reduc[ing] [them] to puppets of a ventriloquist Congress,’ Brown v. EPA, 521 F. 2d, at 839. It is an essential attribute of the States’ retained sovereignty that they remain independent and autonomous within their proper sphere of authority. See Texas v. White, 7 Wall, at 725. It is no more compatible with this independence and autonomy that their officers be ‘dragooned’ (as Judge Fernandez put it in his dissent below, 66 F. 3d, at 1035) into administering federal law, than it would be compatible with the independence and autonomy of the United States that its officers be impressed into service for the execution of state laws.”
I'll bet ya won't see any of these "good guy" cops refusing those arrest warrants or springing targeted citizens taken on the street by surprise.
Nah, Hitler got excellent cooperation from the police and most all of the military, as did the Soviet Communists when they superseded the Nazi command structure.
All the cops had to say in their defense was "I vas onlik folloink orders".
So you believe the government would incarcerate millions of people?
Including spouses and children of current government workers, various current and past LE officials, veterans, military, even Congress itself?
I don’t think so.
But anything is possible these days. Anything.
The lunatics are running the asylum!
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