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Patriotic Group To Build Armed 'Defensible' Neighborhood Fortress
CNSNews.com ^ | 1/12/13 | Gregory Gwyn-Williams, Jr.

Posted on 01/12/2013 6:08:29 PM PST by Kartographer

A group of like-minded patriots, bound together by pride in American exceptionalism, plan on building an armed community to protect their liberty.

The group, named Citadel, intends to purchase 2,000 to 3,000 acres for the project in western Idaho. The community will comprise of 3,500 to 7,000 families of patriotic Americans who "voluntarily choose to live together in accordance with Thomas Jefferson's ideal of Rightful Liberty."

According to the Citadel website, Rightful Liberty means that "neighbors keep their noses out of other neighbors' business, that neighbors live and let live."

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TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: id; prepparedness; preppers
Interesting concept, I like to see how it works.
1 posted on 01/12/2013 6:08:35 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


2 posted on 01/12/2013 6:09:38 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

7,000 families on 3,000 acres in Idaho. I’m not sure that’s a good plan. I have other concerns about their idea, but the math seems flawed too.


3 posted on 01/12/2013 6:12:34 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Kartographer

Call it the Galt Indian Tribe.


4 posted on 01/12/2013 6:12:47 PM PST by waredbird
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To: Kartographer
SOOOOooooooooooo.

No home owner's association, then.

5 posted on 01/12/2013 6:14:38 PM PST by willgolfforfood
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To: Kartographer

I went to their website. They have a calculator to determine your cost. its mostly based on how much space you want and land. They are also including land outside the fortress.

Its a lifetime lease with a 30 yr term. I’d be interested to see who the property reverts to upon death.


6 posted on 01/12/2013 6:18:35 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Its a lifetime lease with a 30 yr term.

If you live 30 years after starting the lease, do they kill you?

7 posted on 01/12/2013 6:30:51 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Kartographer

I’m in. As long as there are a few hot chicks available. This ain’t one of them places where all the women wear long brown dresses is it?


8 posted on 01/12/2013 6:36:18 PM PST by saleman (!!!!)
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To: thackney

Lifetime leases can be tricky. With a 30 yr term you pay for 30 yrs but can live on it until you die.

In many cases the property would then revert back to the sponsor who could then resell it.

Leadership isn’t democratic either. At least there’s no time wasted on elections.


9 posted on 01/12/2013 6:37:33 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Lifetime leases can be tricky. With a 30 yr term you pay for 30 yrs but can live on it until you die.

Thanks, humor aside, I didn't understand the combination.

10 posted on 01/12/2013 6:39:19 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Well accidents do happen. It would certainly help cash flow and keep units open for new members.


11 posted on 01/12/2013 6:41:11 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Yup, would like to know that also!

Cui bono?


12 posted on 01/12/2013 6:42:21 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Kartographer

Too easily targeted.


13 posted on 01/12/2013 6:46:36 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Kartographer

My guess, the community will be infiltrated by DHS in an effort to keep an eye on them.

Wonder if they’ll have their own court, police and so forth?


14 posted on 01/12/2013 6:47:03 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: Kartographer

for later read


15 posted on 01/12/2013 6:49:57 PM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Kartographer
How much liberty can you exercise behind fortress walls?

"neighbors keep their noses out of other neighbors' business, that neighbors live and let live."

The trouble begins at the interface between what one neighbor thinks of as his business and what another neighbor thinks of as his business, and at the interface between the lives of neighbors.

16 posted on 01/12/2013 7:13:49 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: piytar

True... They need to expand several hundred square miles!


17 posted on 01/12/2013 7:15:54 PM PST by Deagle (quo)
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To: KrisKrinkle

Of course they will have problems but with their own Police Force (abiding by the Constitution) I can imagine that they will do much better than if they were wards of the State. It is a good idea that will expand because of the continued abuse of the Constitution by the Federal Government... Something has to give.


18 posted on 01/12/2013 7:19:54 PM PST by Deagle (quo)
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To: Pollster1

Even at 3500 families averaging 4 per family, that’s less than a quarter acre per person. And that’s not counting what they’ll need for common roads, byways, facilities, whatever.

I don’t think they can do it unless they build “up”, and liberty might be constrained in a highrise because the interface of one families business and life is so close to that of others.


19 posted on 01/12/2013 7:20:20 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Deagle

“(abiding by the Constitution)”

I don’t quite see how they will do that on their own.


20 posted on 01/12/2013 7:26:24 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Pollster1

Just one quick look at the layout tells me its either a scam or a prank. I personally think its a prank because a scam needs to be more realistic than this.

http://iiicitadel.com/about.html

One way in and out? Really?


21 posted on 01/12/2013 7:34:03 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: KrisKrinkle

Strange statement to me! Americans either want to abide by the Constitution or not. It is our founding document! For goodness sakes, do you actually think that it takes the Government to force us to abide by the Constitution! The Constitution is written by and for the People NOT the Government! It is up to the People to enforce it NOT the Government! To say the they can not abide by the Constitution on their own implies that they must be forced to abide - just how crazy is that!!

Rather strange statement I’d say...


22 posted on 01/12/2013 7:40:49 PM PST by Deagle (quo)
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To: cripplecreek

No, it will become a State issue eventually...


23 posted on 01/12/2013 7:44:12 PM PST by Deagle (quo)
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To: Noumenon

Ping.


24 posted on 01/12/2013 7:47:07 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Kartographer

Interesting. Has a scam smell to it though...


25 posted on 01/12/2013 7:56:16 PM PST by JDoutrider
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To: KrisKrinkle; Pollster1; Deagle; piytar; Kartographer

26 posted on 01/12/2013 7:58:15 PM PST by fattigermaster
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To: Kartographer

Glenn Beck announced something similar “city”, I think called Independence.


27 posted on 01/12/2013 8:01:21 PM PST by tbw2
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To: fattigermaster

Heh, could come to that but picture it much larger - say a few states wide!


28 posted on 01/12/2013 8:05:02 PM PST by Deagle (quo)
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To: Deagle

“To say the they can not abide by the Constitution on their own implies that they must be forced to abide”

No, it doesn’t imply that. But to say that they can abide by the Constitution on their own is quite similar to saying a person can get married or form a partnership on their own, without anyone else.

And yes, you can abide by the terms of a marriage or a partnership by yourself, but only the parts that apply to you, not the whole thing.


29 posted on 01/12/2013 8:08:57 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: KrisKrinkle

Okay...your opinion, I disagree wholeheartedly! For those of use that actually believe in the Constitution, it would be no problem at all! Of course there is always the chance that their elected officials are corrupt (like most of those we have today) then they will experience the same corruption.

I would think that those that gathered in this effort would be the best of best and would not need outside influence.

So I guess you are technically correct, even if individuals believe and carry out their duties under the Constitution, their elected leaders may not - sound familiar?


30 posted on 01/12/2013 8:19:16 PM PST by Deagle (quo)
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To: JDoutrider
Well seeing how the if they are scammers they are scamming a group of very well armed people and are working out of a very sparsely populated and remote area. I hope they have LOTS of life insurance.
31 posted on 01/12/2013 8:40:36 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: piytar
Too easily targeted.

That was my first thought. Sounds a bit hinky, too. Thanks, but I'll stay where I am.

32 posted on 01/12/2013 8:52:10 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: servantboy777; piytar

You’re both correct...IMO


33 posted on 01/12/2013 8:58:46 PM PST by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: driftdiver

Leadership isn’t democratic either.

Neither is the United States. And the Constitution says the fed will guarantee all states maintain a republican form of government. As this will be below the state level I wonder what “type of government” rule will apply.


34 posted on 01/12/2013 9:54:25 PM PST by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: Kartographer

i think if we had the demographics of the late 1700s it could work. i don’t think so now.


35 posted on 01/12/2013 11:09:56 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Kartographer
I am not hiding. I will not be corralled. I will not register. I will stand right here and defend what's mine as guaranteed by the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

I think the barak regime would love for us to cower in compounds like Waco, or maybe like Jews in train cars.

36 posted on 01/13/2013 12:32:06 AM PST by Casie (Chuck Norris 2016)
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To: Kartographer

No mention of God, worship, or religious freedom other than inference? People have to be physically fit, does that mean that those who get sick after moving in get expelled?

It will be interesting to watch what transpires.


37 posted on 01/13/2013 1:14:06 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: rfreedom4u

At least you get to vote in the United States.

This sounds like a group of folks came up with the idea and are looking for other people to help fund it. Only those other people won’t have any say in how their investment is managed or maintained.

And in the event of their death the buyers likely won’t be able to will the property to their heirs. Instead the property reverts back to the original folks who can re-lease the property to someone of their choice.


38 posted on 01/13/2013 4:20:46 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kartographer
The Citadel Patriot Agreement reads like a list of what is required by a standing army or militia.

Four: Every able-bodied Patriot of age within the Citadel will maintain one AR15 variant in 5.56mm NATO, at least 5 magazines and 1,000 rounds of ammunition.

That is quite an expensive proposition for every member of the family.

I think I'll pass. I'd rather rely on my own preps and abilities. But for some, it might be a good option.

39 posted on 01/13/2013 6:55:51 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Humans have eliminated natural selection. Morons are now a protected species. They breed and vote.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Some have at least that in their BOB. ;-)


40 posted on 01/13/2013 7:45:14 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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Four: Every able-bodied Patriot of age within the Citadel will maintain one AR15 variant in 5.56mm NATO, at least 5 magazines and 1,000 rounds of ammunition.

Hmmmm.... I prefer my M1A. I really don't like the Mighty Mattel.

41 posted on 01/13/2013 9:42:10 AM PST by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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Some have at least that in their BOB.

Some. Yeah. Some BIG dudes. Like this guy:


42 posted on 01/13/2013 9:57:13 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Humans have eliminated natural selection. Morons are now a protected species. They breed and vote.)
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To: Kartographer
I like to see how it works.

Here's one view of how it might work:

I would not want to be such a high-profile target.

43 posted on 01/13/2013 4:45:25 PM PST by tpmintx (Gun free zones are hunting preserves for unarmed people.)
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