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The Right Calls Obama a Dictator, but Sarah Palin Disarmed the Alaska Civil Militia
Politicususa ^ | Jan. 18th, 2013 | Sarah Jones

Posted on 01/19/2013 5:32:14 PM PST by Bratch

In 2008, the Anchorage Daily News ran this deck bellow the headline: “NO MORE GUNS: Alaska State Defense Force stripped of many powers.”

Irony knows no bounds when it comes to the Tea Party.

In 2008, Tea Party Queen and Shoot ‘Em Up and Hang ‘Em Governor Sarah Palin (R-AK) disarmed brigade members of the Alaska State Defense Force (think volunteer militia) at the recommendation of the state military officials, based on a report by an investigator with the Washington National Guard.

(I)n a major decision proving unpopular with at least some of the force’s roughly 280 members, the state is taking away the brigade’s guns.

Yes, Sarah Palin, as executive of the state, took away their guns. And no, conservatives, you can’t have it both ways. Clearly they gave Sarah Palin the report and she took executive action on it (also known as “tyranny” when a Democrat does it).

“The report does not say Westall was a bad commander,” Campbell said. “The report says the state defense force, it’s a voluntary organization, it’s part time, it’s dedicated volunteers serving their state, but they don’t have the intensity of training, the skill sets the National Guard has.”

As a result, Campbell recommended to Gov. Sarah Palin that brigade members should no longer be armed.

The state also read a report on said militia, and yet the state was not accused of hating Republicans. Do not try this on a national level.

A report ordered by George W. Bush’s Department of Homeland Security warned of right wing domestic terrorism, writing that “the economic downturn and the election of the first African American president present unique drivers for rightwing radicalization and recruitment.” This caused massive right wing hysteria by the usual suspects. Michelle Malkin quickly donned her Republican Poutrage, and the Drudge and Breitbart followed with their angry misunderstandings of reality.

The report was unveiled in April of 2009, during the beginning of the Obama administration, and so naturally Republicans screamed and hollered about how it hurt their feelings to have a federal agency report the facts until the agency decided not to distribute the report to law enforcement. (No such whining when the same agency released a report on left wing terrorism.) This was before the Obama administration figured out that catering to crazy only enables it.

Sarah Palin has a reputation as a great gun freedom fighter of the Right (in spite of her struggles with actually shooting a gun on her reality TV show). The fact that she directed her administration to disarm the militia in 2008 and yet we heard nothing of this during the 2008 election suggests that disarming the militia is equated with “liberty” and “loving the second amendment” when a Republican does it.

When a Republican is in charge, the cult salivates at the use of dictatorial power. It’s a form of security for them, resulting in what psychologists describe as an urge to be dominated and controlled, stemming from their deeply shameful suspicion that they can’t control themselves.1

We must remember Sarah Palin’s affectionate relationship with Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who is sending out his civilian armed posse to patrol for “illegal immigrants” and to “protect” the schools. It’s a wonder Palin didn’t explain to him that in her own state, they found that “administering a part-time civilian force brings a high liability risk to the state.” Yes, really.

Why is that? Because they are not trained as well as the professionals. Go figure. This conclusion comes dangerously close to suggesting that education matters, gravity exists, there is such a thing as expertise and that not everyone should be armed with a gun. But outside of their own actual records, Republican exceptionalism demands that we attribute equal weight to non-exerts and arm chair wannabes, lest we be called “elitists”.

All you need to do in order to represent second amendment “freedom” is pose with guns and put cross hairs on your opponents. You can disarm the militia in your state without DESTROYING THE CONSTITUTION so long as you have an “R” after your name. Also, posing while leaning on the flag in short shorts helps (warning: do not try this as a Democrat or you will be branded a hater of the troops and an enemy of freedom).

If you have a “D” after your name, don’t you dare even mention enforcing the existing gun safety laws, or else the Tea Party (read: Civil War Resentment Party) will denounce you as a “dictator” and threaten to throw you in jail for violating their imaginary Constitution. You know, the one they would have written if only they had won that awful war of “Northern Aggression”.

Remember patriots, image is everything. Substance zero.

Update: This is for the Palin fans. The question is, what would the right’s reaction have been if this same scenario had happened under President Obama. With a title reading “NO MORE GUNS” they would have gone insane. They’ve already jumped the “tyrant Hitler” shark over 23 executive actions that do little more than direct gun safety commissions and enforce existing laws. Only two address limiting the availability of a category of gun or a magazine capacity. If Obama ordered Arpaio’s posse to be disarmed because they were a “liability”, would the right be defending that as they are Palin’s actions?

1. Note: These are real psychological theories on authoritarianism that are worth a look if you want to understand the consistent hypocrisy of the right. The conservative base can be seen as suffering from a desire to submit to an authoritarian who represents “traditional values”. The underlying theory is that the authoritarian personality has a weak ego unable to manage their id impulses. Alfred Adler proposed an alternative theory that power-over seekers are compensating for a feeling of inferiority, which might explain why Republican leaders are able to manipulate their base by stoking resentment of “liberal elitists”. Professor Bob Altemeyer expands on this theory in his book “The Authoritarians”. John W. Dean’s book, “Conservatives Without a Conscience” discusses the psychology of obedience to authority. For more on how the Republican fear that they can’t control themselves causes them to seek policies that impose rigid moral control, read “Red State Blue State”.


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To: Bratch

They really are scared of Sarah, aren’t they?

And they really are scared that the people will be alerted to Obama’s tyranny before it’s cemented.


101 posted on 01/19/2013 9:46:51 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: D Rider
Did she take away individuals private guns? Or just state supplied guns? That would be a major difference. Of course, that difference would be lost on the left

Correct. To libs, having a right to something means lib constituents must be provided one of whatever it is from the public purse.

102 posted on 01/19/2013 9:51:23 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Bratch
The conservative base can be seen as suffering from a desire to submit to an authoritarian who represents “traditional values”.

Well, I guess that's a correct statement. Course the fact the the moon could be "seen" to be made of green cheese doesn't mean that it IS made of green cheese.

103 posted on 01/19/2013 9:54:34 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Bratch

She was their commander in chief. If she want’s to disarm them, as members of the units, when they are “on duty”, she can. She can’t disarm them of their private arms, even if the ones they were using for militia duty were privately owned. Seems like not the thing to do, but the story doesn’t seem to give the details of the reason for doing so.


104 posted on 01/19/2013 9:56:42 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Were you here when the Romney/Rove/Democrat coalition threatened her life, destroyed Cain, Newt, etc. and did everything but burn her house down? They actually burned her church down with women and children inside, hired a gossip novelist to move in NEXT DOOR to her, spent millions making a movie to defame her, made up stories that she slept with a black NBA player, her baby was not hers, poured over tens of thousands of her e-mails, etc. Do you want links?

Yup, yup, yup, remember all that stuff, but none of it's relevant to the actual question I posed (and which I tried to phrase in the most non-confrontational way possible) unless you think they're suddenly going to see the light and treat her decently the next time. Step off a bit, and if you'd like to try again to frame an actual answer to my actual question, please do so.

105 posted on 01/19/2013 10:00:37 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: onyx; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks onyx for the clarification!


106 posted on 01/19/2013 10:08:40 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Bratch
Now if Palin could disarm Obama’s SS then she would be making him less of a hypocrite.
107 posted on 01/19/2013 11:23:59 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Better safe than sorry.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

The founders assumed people in power would abuse that power without structured legal limitations on their power.

Both Republicans and Democrats have exceeded the power of the constitution and both parties have abused Americans because they were disloyal to the constitution.

The left/right stuff is nonsense when it comes to using and abusing power these days. I don’t know what has happened to the courts who were supposed to enforce the limits of the constitution upon Washington, but we may as well stop pretending, lay them off and save the money.


108 posted on 01/19/2013 11:26:41 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Kolath
Hope this clears things up.

Thank you for that. Yes. What you essentially had was a semi-autonomous, almost rouge entity that was issued state- owned weapons. That situation would concern me, too.
109 posted on 01/19/2013 11:37:10 PM PST by 98ZJ USMC
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To: SunkenCiv


Thank you for pinging your list!
110 posted on 01/19/2013 11:45:55 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Bratch

A decision to disband a state militia is not a violation of the constitution. A federal government disarming it’s citizens is a violation of the constitution.

It doesn’t matter who does it. The article is comparing a constitutional act with one that is not constitutional.


111 posted on 01/20/2013 12:01:46 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Ellendra
Anybody who can fact-check this?

It's a diversion wrapped in a partial truth. She didn't "disarm" anyone. She stopped supplying state-owned weapons to them and changed the duty to one of not being armed. Like a judge deciding that the bailliff didn't need to be armed for his duties and then taking back the city-supplied weapons. The bailliff, as a private citizen can still own/bear arms...

112 posted on 01/20/2013 4:22:00 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: 98ZJ USMC

What you essentially had was a semi-autonomous, almost rouge entity that was issued state- owned weapons. That situation would concern me, too.

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In a lawsuit-lawyer’s lexicon, it’s called a “lottery of a lifetime.”


113 posted on 01/20/2013 5:34:10 AM PST by Kolath
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To: EBH

This is the author of the second story....if this is their sources then it’s truly a full-fledge frontal attack on many levels.

I’m picking up these type of anti-Palin stories all over now.

Award-winning writer and filmmaker Geoffrey Dunn’s best-selling The Lies of Sarah Palin: The Untold Story Behind Her Relentless Quest for Power was published by Macmllan/St. Martin’s in May of 2011.


114 posted on 01/20/2013 5:49:16 AM PST by Kolath
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I had a serious case of Schadenfreude last year when the Romney people were all in a bind when the full force of the Obama/MSM/Pop culture machines were upon them. One of their lackeys wanted me to become a Facebook and “Twitter Warrior” for the cause. No effing way! They can go train and “Orca” to do their bidding.

Payback’s a bitch eh Willard? ;)


115 posted on 01/20/2013 5:58:50 AM PST by Kolath
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To: Domandred
I disagree with her decision too, but she is the CIC of the State Militia and she in no way removed the right for those same people to keep and bear arms as civilians.

Well, that settles it then. As long as it was a decision made while she was CIC, then that makes everything AOK. The current administration is proud to follow this line of thinking, and thanks you for it.

The piece linked was written by a flaming lefty, that is without dispute. However, the ASDF had a purpose and in a region like Alaska, that purpose could have a huge impact. What was done was kneel the state before the feds and stated that "we will be reliant upon federal response during times of emergency". So much for that independent spirit and rugged individualism. The problems that existed within the ASDF could have been addressed and corrected without such drastic actions.

116 posted on 01/20/2013 6:25:13 AM PST by RobertClark (It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark and we'r)
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To: Bratch

Ping


117 posted on 01/20/2013 6:42:03 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: RobertClark

Who knows?

A democrat governor armed them after 9/11, Governor Palin disarmed them for liability reasons and a change of mission, and Governor Parnell wants to disband them entirely.

That is an awful lot going on during a 9 or 10 year period.


118 posted on 01/20/2013 11:41:17 AM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: BuffaloJack
“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

The founders feared a militia that might degenerate into an armed gang or that would take orders from a tyrant. “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” means that citizens needed to be armed to ensure that any militia was regulated and would not be used by the government against the people.

That is the first time I've seen it explained that way, and it makes so much sense. Militia themselves must be well-regulated by "the people," who have equal right to bear arms as those in the militia. "The people" are always on equal footing. Disarmed people are subjects to official government "militia" designees. People with as much right to bear arms as the militia in what ever form it takes, are guaranteed the ability to, perhaps, keep the militia honest.

Have I interpreted it correctly, do you think?

If so, it makes good sense in a way I'd not thought of before.

119 posted on 01/20/2013 1:10:02 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: onyx
Hope this clears things up. Low-information voters (and posters) might get confused....

Thanks. Seems we have quite a few of those type of voters here. BTTT.
120 posted on 01/20/2013 1:50:40 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: PA Engineer

Whenever the subject is Sarah Palin, the LIV come out of the woodwork. It’s disgusting and says a lot more about them than her. God bless and keep you, dear FRiend.


121 posted on 01/20/2013 1:58:49 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: ExTxMarine

These same individuals can buy all of the firearms they desire. This was removal of government owned firearms. Day and night.


122 posted on 01/20/2013 2:04:03 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (THAT)
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To: Texas Fossil

Obama (via the military) confiscates the weapons of every retired military man exiting the services. NO? Conservatives have not been raising hell about this. What is this writers point other than leftist propaganda?


123 posted on 01/20/2013 2:08:52 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (THAT)
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To: Texas Songwriter

Yes, certainly it is leftist propaganda.

Obama like the rest of the Commie Dems hate anyone who loves freedom, honesty, morality, truth and anything else that deprives them of control of everyone else.

Texans breathed the intoxicating air of freedom at the birth of the Republic. There is no cure for that and even several generation of time does not erase that.

City dwellers are an exception. Some how they tend to become isolated from the reality of the world outside the asphalt turf and forget what is really important.

Globalists are even more evil.

We are witnessing the convergence of the Marxists Left, Muslims and Fascist Globalist against the Christians, Jews and some others of faith.

The Left had best reflect on what they are asking for. The price for attempting to disarm TX and much of the heartland is very high. They don’t have enough goons to pull it off.


124 posted on 01/20/2013 2:33:41 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Bratch

This is leftist drivel.

Adorno and adherents of the Frankfurt School have written all about the “authoritarian” tendencies of conservatives.

IIRC, about 8 years or so ago, there was a “metastudy” done by Kruglanski, et. al. that beat the same drum.

Note: a “meta study” is a study performed that examines previous studies that have been done. IOW, no original work, just new conclusions.

‘Pod.


125 posted on 01/20/2013 2:39:11 PM PST by sauropod (I will not comply)
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To: Still Thinking

They don’t know the difference between state and private ownership because they assume the state owns everything in the first place and is there to redistribute it to them.


126 posted on 01/20/2013 3:23:25 PM PST by CityCenter (Compromise is the welcome mat to deception.)
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To: onyx

You too FRiend!


127 posted on 01/20/2013 3:29:34 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Finny

> That is the first time I’ve seen it explained that way, and it makes so much sense. Militia themselves must be well-regulated by “the people,” who have equal right to bear arms as those in the militia. “The people” are always on equal footing. Disarmed people are subjects to official government “militia” designees. People with as much right to bear arms as the militia in what ever form it takes, are guaranteed the ability to, perhaps, keep the militia honest.

> Have I interpreted it correctly, do you think?

Mrs. Palin had the right idea. An unregulated militia can be a dangerous entity. Formed with good intent, but not given a purpose, a militia will first degenerate to a social club, then morph into an armed group of thugs. The USA has a number of private militias that are dangerous to both the government and the People.
The People must have the right to keep and bear arms.


128 posted on 01/20/2013 7:25:58 PM PST by BuffaloJack (Children, pets, and slaves get taken care of. Free Men take care of themselves.)
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To: BuffaloJack

Thanks for the reply and clarification. Agreed. Also — I LOVE your tagline. So very right.


129 posted on 01/21/2013 9:05:46 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: onyx
Thank you for the post. We all know that there is good and evil and proponents of each. No one ever lived that was not criticized, including Jesus Christ, and his apostles. Satan is the god of this world, and very active including America. Which is obvious with the acceptance into law of government paid abortions, and the gay agenda being sanctioned, some churches are accepting such a life style. "come out of her my people"

It is not in agreement with the WORD of God. No matter what the people decide the Word of God is eternal and does not change. Let us repent and turn back to God in truth, in Jesus name, amen.

130 posted on 01/21/2013 9:51:08 AM PST by geologist (" If you love me, keep my commandments" John 14:15)
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To: Bratch; All
Some questions about who owned the guns. This article addresses that and more.

Mark America: The Desperate Fraud of the Anti-Palin Left

A couple days ago, some imbecile — no doubt one of Obama’s low-information voters — at a far-left blog wrote a piece in which she claimed Governor Palin “disarmed the Alaska civil militia” when she was Alaska’s chief executive. The aforementioned hebetudinous blogger then attempts (and fails miserably) to turn this nonsense into some kind of an attack on Governor Palin’s credibility: How can the Governor criticize Obama’s attack on second amendment rights when she “disarmed” her state’s militia? Presumably the conclusion she wants her low-information readers to arrive at is that Governor Palin is secretly an anti-gun zealot and, therefore, any criticism she directs toward Obama is hypocritical. Or something. Anyway, our friend Mark America is all over this idiocy:

If you’ve ever wondered about the motive driving the anti-Palin left, sufferers of Palin Derangement Syndrome(PDS,) or other venom-laden spittle disguised as reporting, wonder no longer.  Willing to twist or omit facts, relying instead upon the absolute gullibility of their audiences, their intention is to propagandize by virtue of one-thousand easily discredited cuts, knowing that their less-than-curious audiences will buy almost anything without question or critical analysis.  In most cases, the manner in which a supporter of Sarah Palin will defend against such garbage is to first attack the fraudulent author’s  propaganda, presenting the facts that negate the false charges leveled by the propagandist involved.  The problem is that these people are so despicable that they don’t care if they’re caught lying by the sane world, as they know their Low Information Audiences won’t ever discover the truth.  I’m going to do it somewhat differently, because I want you to experience the shock value of knowing the real story before reading the propaganda.  For once, you ought to know what it must be like to be Sarah Palin, or anybody else who is attacked in this manner, because having lived reality, it must be shocking to see facts about oneself twisted into such devious propaganda.

Let’s consider a story that had appeared in the Anchorage Daily News, way back in October of 2008, as Sarah Palin was busy campaigning for the office of Vice President with Presidential candidate John McCain.  During the previous summer, before Palin had been chosen as McCain’s running mate, an investigation by authorities had concluded with a recommendation by Lt. Gen. Craig Campbell, the state’s military and veterans affairs commissioner that an all-volunteer militia led by Brig. General Thomas Westall, created to assist the Nation Guard, ought to be disarmed of state-owned and provided weapons over potential liability issues for the state.  This investigation had stemmed from a complaint filed by a member, Larry Wood, because he felt the militia commander might be issuing arbitrary orders and dismissals to members, he himself having been dismissed for unclear cause by his own account.   In short, this was a situation in which responsible Alaska State officials were heading off any potential liability situation for the state.  This sort of action is undertaken by any responsible state official who is concerned with making policies and taking decisions consistent with their official mandates.  It had been concluded by investigators that the militia had insufficient policies and procedures, such that its control and direction had come into question.  The article in the ADN had been: Defense Commander Resigns After Complaints.

If you’re at all like me, you look at the facts of the story, and conclude that the State of Alaska had been concerned there could be some sort of monkey-business going on with the force, known as the 49th Military Police Brigade since 2004, and the state rightly did not wish to take on liability for a force that had not such proper procedures and policies in place to deal with personnel matters, or much of anything.  Nobody was criminally sanctioned, or in any way prosecuted, but the state simply decided that they could not permit this force to be armed in its name any longer.  That’s not so unusual, and bluntly, no public official wants a poorly-organized force armed with State authority to carry on much of anything in an official capacity.  Who could blame either Lt. General Campbell, or Governor Sarah Palin for taking what can only be categorized as perfectly natural and responsible actions?  Well, there is somebody, and predictably, that somebody is a professional  propagandist of the organized left.

Now that you’ve read through the originating story, and are at least familiar with the facts of the case, I now wish to present to you the fantastic tale of Palin anti-gun hypocrisy cobbled together by certified PDS sufferer Sarah Jones, of Politicususa.  If ever you have wondered what it is like to be Sarah Palin, imagine if you will what one must feel when reading the following nonsensical, inane and distorted headline, knowing what you already do:

The Right Calls Obama a Dictator, but Sarah Palin Disarmed the Alaska Civil Militia

The first thing that should grab you is that the story changed title, becoming more dishonest, thereby venting more rage in Sarah Palin’s direction.  Examing the URL of the story tells the tale. Notice that the author changed the label of the disarmed group from “Defense Force” to “Civil Militia” in order to cause readers to wonder if Palin had disarmed ordinary citizens.  Titles have been:

  • Tea Party Darling Sarah Palin Disarmed Alaska State Defense Force
  • The Right Calls Obama a Dictator, but Sarah Palin Disarmed the Alaska Civil Militia

Given the nature of the website in question, we might well expect the next mutation of the title to be:

  • Palin Takes Guns from Alaska Schoolhouse Defense League While Right Wing Racist NRA Klansmen Cheer

Don’t laugh.  I expect that title to appear at any time.  Part and parcel of that site’s schtick is to paint all conservatives, but particularly Sarah Palin, with the broadly damning brushes of racism, “extremism,” violence and hypocrisy.  These are pathologically broken individuals, based on the content of their stories, but fortunately, only what must be considered a “Low Information Voter” could possibly believe the nonsense authored there.

There’s much more to Mark’s piece and I urge to go here and read the whole thing. When I see the Left continuing to use this kind of tortured pretzel logic and outright lies to attack Governor Palin, I can’t help but wonder why they spend so much time and effort on someone they insist is no longer relevant. Am I missing something?



131 posted on 01/21/2013 9:54:10 AM PST by Bratch
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To: Bratch

From the story, it sounds like Gov. Palin didn’t DISARM them, she disbanded the organization, due to liability concerns. As far as I know, the men still have the weapons they purchased privately.


132 posted on 01/21/2013 4:13:10 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: RobertClark

She disbanded the private militia due to liability concerns. I didn’t see anything in the story about her taking their guns away from them.


133 posted on 01/21/2013 6:12:05 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: entropy12

More likely she will run against Sen. Begich next year.


134 posted on 01/26/2013 2:41:49 AM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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