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2 Dead, 7 Wounded (Chicago) vs. 5 HURT AT GUN SHOWS IN OHIO, IND., NC
2 sources ^ | January 19, 2013 | Me

Posted on 01/19/2013 9:29:09 PM PST by Jet Jaguar

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To: FredZarguna

Was a twofer - a truth squared in humor. We both have been here too long.


51 posted on 01/20/2013 1:13:09 AM PST by S.O.S121.500
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To: TigersEye

I never said that I only know of 2 incidents. You know there are plenty of cases where someone said that the gun was unloaded and they shot someone.


52 posted on 01/20/2013 1:17:38 AM PST by pennyfarmer (Your socialist beat our liberal AGAIN.)
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To: Blue Collar Christian

Thanks. I didn’t know that. I am not into handguns but I have a few shotguns and rifles. Not enough exposure to handguns to know.


53 posted on 01/20/2013 1:19:36 AM PST by pennyfarmer (Your socialist beat our liberal AGAIN.)
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To: FredZarguna

We should just ban personal automobiles unless you can absolutely prove that you “Need” one.

Most people don’t need a car.

No telling how many lives can be saved with that one initiative. People would also be healthier and live longer. WIN, WIN, WIN.


54 posted on 01/20/2013 1:30:50 AM PST by pennyfarmer (Your socialist beat our liberal AGAIN.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Just because you are a 2nd Amendment supporter/gun owner/gun-show-attendee, doesn’t mean that you have been brought up right when it comes to gun safety. It sometimes seems that those who should be the best qualified to exercise gun safety allow themselves those little lapses of the “contempt of familiarity” and cause the worst “accidients”.


55 posted on 01/20/2013 5:08:22 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: pennyfarmer

No, I don’t know that. As I said; no mechanical feature can overcome stupidity.


56 posted on 01/20/2013 12:37:18 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: S.O.S121.500
think its more the result of all the NOOBIES

I dunno. One was a 36 y/o guy bringing a gun in to SELL. Noobs buy, they don't sell, but then neither do I. One was a dealer, the third was a 54 y/o reloading his .45 after leaving the show. Done that myself a couple of times, but I didn't shoot myself doing it. (if I did it would really suck, since I use hydro shocks in my carry weapon).

I've never shot myself, although a cousin did manage to shoot himself in the toe with our Grandpa's .22 rifle, which was defective, but the injury still could have been avoided by observing rule one, rather than resting the muzzle on his shoe. :)

57 posted on 01/20/2013 6:58:44 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Jyotishi
Hmm... is there to be a gun banning executive order or vote tomorrow or next week?

Yes, FineSwine is due to introduce her Gun Ban, which would ban all semi-auto rifles and many semi-auto shotguns, unless they have fixed magazines of 10 or less rounds capacity, (SKS would be banned by name), 5 rounds for shotguns. (Exception for tubular magazine .22s, but that would still mean the 10/22 would be banned. I have a 25 round removable magazine for mine) In fact I don't own a rifle that would not be banned.

And this ban has teeth. While existing weapons could be kept, they would need to be registered as NFA weapons, meaning paying $200 for each weapon, maybe more if she also raises the "tax" to adjust for inflation since 1934, if she does that, it will be more like $4000. Unlike machine guns under the current NFA law, could never be transferred to anyone else, not even after the owners death, they would have to be turned in to the BATFE...

58 posted on 01/20/2013 7:09:22 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Gene Eric
Holy carp, half as many as Benghazi!!! Any terrorists?

In Chicago? Seems pretty likely, of either foreign or domestic origin.

59 posted on 01/20/2013 7:10:58 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

And this will end the (almost daily) shootings in Oakland how exactly?


60 posted on 01/20/2013 7:16:42 PM PST by thecodont
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To: El Gato

> Yes, FineSwine is due to introduce her Gun Ban, which would ban all...

Thank you. This past election was sooo important...


61 posted on 01/20/2013 9:23:32 PM PST by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: umgud

I went to my local gun shops last week. There were no rifles larger than a .22 on the walls. They had a good selection of handguns, though.

On the range, I started out awesome, but went downhill from there. I think it was this bug I’ve come down with. I was tiring. Gave up after about 70-80 rounds.


62 posted on 01/21/2013 10:37:23 AM PST by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: Blue Collar Christian; pennyfarmer

I have a compact 9 mm (Ruger LC9) that has the magazine safety feature.

I actually like it. I was leery of the feature, but I feel confident I can quickly disable the weapon in a second.

It has two other safety features: the standard safety lever and also a key lock that disables the trigger.

I’ve only used the key lock once: I was in a bunkhouse with a group of men from my church. I didn’t take my gun safe on the trip, but felt comfortable that my weapon was disabled while I slept. I know I would have had a delay in arming the weapon, but sometimes you take the risk along with the safety.


63 posted on 01/21/2013 10:50:09 AM PST by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: gitmo

Going to our local gun store next week. Daughter in law and her mother want a handguns for home protection. Hope to find a couple 38 J frames. Simple, poit and click.


64 posted on 01/21/2013 1:49:07 PM PST by umgud
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To: pennyfarmer

Some of us don’t want such a beast.
If you’re fighting for your life, and there’s a round in the chamber with no magazine inserted, he11 yeah you want that thing to fire!

You might be reloading, knowing a round is chambered. Your attacker won’t wait for you to reload.
You might not have inserted a mag properly. Happens under pressure.
The connector switch can fail. You can guess when that might be.

Gun shows are frequent. Shootings therein are extremely rare. I mean seriously extremely rare. That three happened on one day points to the most common (yes I’m serious) cause of gun show negligent discharges: sabotage. Given the high profile of Saturday’s festivities, and the growing sentiments of Leftists expressing intent to protect innocents by killing innocents, I’d not be surprised the problem wasn’t guns firing without magazines, but rounds being maliciously chambered in a location where they never are.


65 posted on 01/21/2013 2:03:52 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: umgud

consider Marathon running events. For every 100,000 runners there is ONE death during the event.

nobody is banning those. (remember the legendary first runner dropped dead at the end. Heck of a sport to start from that)


66 posted on 01/22/2013 11:33:44 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: gitmo

If it is a feature YOU like, I’m happy for you. I prefer to still have an operable weapon, even if it’s single shot were I somehow without a magazine. I don’t want more complications added to an already efficient product, not adding more things to go wrong. I also believe that false security comes from even more safety features like this as was suggested (to be standardized?) in his first post about having autoloaders built this way.

Many motorcycles have interlocking switch systems that prevent the engine from running in gear with the side stand down. Some people like it. I repair motorcycles for a living and so they make me money when they fail, but I don’t like to have the system on MY motorcycle.

So we buy guns and motorcycles with the safety features we prefer, hopefully not the way gov’t or even other shooters see fit.

There are plenty of morons riding and crashing motorcycles, and there will always be a surplus of morons pointing “unloaded”, “safety on” guns at things they should not and killing their brothers.


67 posted on 01/22/2013 3:42:55 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Pray for revival. <BCC><)
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To: gitmo

If it is a feature YOU like, I’m happy for you. I prefer to still have an operable weapon, even if it’s single shot were I somehow without a magazine. I don’t want more complications added to an already efficient product, not adding more things to go wrong. I also believe that false security comes from even more safety features like this as was suggested (to be standardized?) in his first post about having autoloaders built this way.

Many motorcycles have interlocking switch systems that prevent the engine from running in gear with the side stand down. Some people like it. I repair motorcycles for a living and so they make me money when they fail, but I don’t like to have the system on MY motorcycle.

So we buy guns and motorcycles with the safety features we prefer, hopefully not the way gov’t or even other shooters see fit.

There are plenty of morons riding and crashing motorcycles, and there will always be a surplus of morons pointing “unloaded”, “safety on” guns at things they should not and killing their brothers.


68 posted on 01/22/2013 3:43:44 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Pray for revival. <BCC><)
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