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Murder in the Mountains
NY Times Disunion ^ | January 19, 2013 | RICK BEARD

Posted on 01/21/2013 12:36:06 AM PST by iowamark

On Jan. 18, 1863, troops from the 64th North Carolina Infantry under the command of Lt. Col. James Keith lined up 13 men and boys, ranging in age from 13 to 60, made them kneel and shot them at point-blank range. Then the soldiers tossed the bodies into a shallow grave, from where they were later reclaimed by family members for burial.

This incident in Madison County, N.C., known to history as the Shelton Laurel massacre, was hardly the worst example of violence visited on civilian populations during the Civil War. On Aug. 21, 1863, scarcely a month after the murders in North Carolina first received national press coverage, the Confederate guerrilla leader William C. Quantrill led a raid on Lawrence, Kan., that killed 183 men and boys.

But Shelton Laurel provides an especially compelling look at the internecine war between Confederate authorities and pro-Union sympathizers in the mountains of western North Carolina and eastern Tennessee. Madison County sits on the border with Tennessee and in 1863 was incredibly isolated...

The county also featured one of the state’s sharpest political divides over the issue of secession... it stemmed from an amalgam of class resentment against the slave owners and tenant farmers who had supported secession; a deeply engrained rural suspicion of urban places; and a widespread feeling that the wealthy were threatening hard-working common people.

“The Unionism of Western North Carolina … was less a love for the Union than a personal hatred of those who went into the Rebellion. It was not so much an uprising for the government as against a certain ruling class.”

(Excerpt) Read more at opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: civilwar; northcarolina; partyoftreason; proslavery; secession; whitesupremacy
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Illustrates the fact that many states had their own civil wars during the Civil War.

NY Times Disunion is an excellent series on the coinflict.

1 posted on 01/21/2013 12:36:16 AM PST by iowamark
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2 posted on 01/21/2013 1:00:32 AM PST by iowamark
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To: iowamark

Part of the Confederate detachment that murdered the 13 people of Shelton Laurel Massacre. Cherokee attachment.


3 posted on 01/21/2013 2:05:13 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: iowamark

My grandfather always said that when his father was a young man in Salina Kansas the he rode with Quantrill several times.


4 posted on 01/21/2013 4:26:32 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: iowamark
My paternal great grandaddy rode with Bedford Forest—the “front” lines were everywhere and atrocities on both sides common.
5 posted on 01/21/2013 4:48:16 AM PST by Happy Rain ("Banning guns over Adam Lanza would be like banning speech over Bill Maher.")
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To: JoeProBono
This book is a great read about the partisan war in the mountain counties of W. NC and E. TN.

I'll pick it up again tonight and post back about the chapter on this event.

6 posted on 01/21/2013 4:55:00 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: JoeProBono

I’m not so certain that Thomas’ Cherokees participated in the Shelton Laurel Massacre, will advise after digging back into the book.


7 posted on 01/21/2013 4:56:44 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase

Thanks, I’d like that.


8 posted on 01/21/2013 4:57:44 AM PST by Shimmer1 (No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.)
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To: iowamark
After reading the full article, there's a lot of passages very similar to what I recall of Bushwhackers which was published in the late 70's.

I'm going to pull it out tonight and see if anything was lifted verbatim.

9 posted on 01/21/2013 5:09:23 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase

http://www.myspace.com/jomos777/photos/43703553


10 posted on 01/21/2013 5:10:34 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Happy Rain

“My paternal great grandaddy rode with Bedford Forest.”

Mine, too. He was among the Louisiana troops who rode with Nathan Bedford Forrest.


11 posted on 01/21/2013 5:55:54 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: iowamark

I read somewher that Lt. Col. Keith went to the jail in Waynesville, opened the cells, and got the prisoners to ride with him, then burned it down.


12 posted on 01/21/2013 6:10:20 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: iowamark

I did a non-thesis graduate program where I did an independent study of the Civil War in the Appalachian region. A fine mess- most people in the mountains supported the Union, and there was warfare among those who did and did not, with the Confederate government attempting to enforce its will with only limited success; and on top of that, lawless individuals taking opportunity to kill and plunder. A lot of folks who fly a Rebel flag in their yard or on their truck have no idea their ancestors might not have done so....


13 posted on 01/21/2013 6:15:45 AM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: ought-six

Well, well well. That makes three of us. Only it was my maternal Great Grandfather. Fourth Corporal Alexander P. Bradley (1846-1932) of the 12th Mississippi Cavalry. Age 15 in 1861. And two GG uncles that are buried in the Confederate Cemetary at Brices Cross Roads. No mass grave there like at Shiloh.


14 posted on 01/21/2013 6:16:11 AM PST by Tupelo (Hunkered down & loading up)
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To: Rebelbase

Here’s a link to another such book:

http://www.tarheelpress.com/CivilWar.html

Also, Philip Shaw Paludan’s “Victims: A True Story of the Civil War” is a pretty good account of what happened at Shelton Laurel.


15 posted on 01/21/2013 6:20:07 AM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: iowamark
Huntsville Arkansas had a similar incident with hard feelings lasting into recent times. In Gainsville the Texas they just rounded up a bunch of unionists and hung ‘em all together.
16 posted on 01/21/2013 6:34:54 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: Happy Rain

One of my Dad’s family rode with McNeil’s raiders who crossed the Potomac I think in early 1864 and captured General Crook and held him for a short time for ransom. He took the General’s sidearm a Whitney dragoon and I still have it in very good condition. Its been handed down in our family ever since. Someday I will pass it on to my nephew.


17 posted on 01/21/2013 7:21:58 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: iowamark

Just for balance I would like to see them post something about the atrocities the Yankees did to Southerners, showing their flag like when they flew it on the slave ships.


18 posted on 01/21/2013 7:57:34 AM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: Rebelbase

There are several gravestones at a small cemetery near here that say the person was “Killed by Bushwackers” in the 1860s.

There is a spot less than a mile from me where several men were murdered by “PIN” Indians from Oklahoma. Many years ago a local Hardware owner (now deceased) said his grandfather had to hide out in the brush north of town because of the constant prowling of bushwackers in this area.

In the Civil War, pro Union Indians were given to killing any white MAN they found in this area.

Info on PIN Indians..

http://genforum.genealogy.com/ar/benton/messages/733.html


19 posted on 01/21/2013 8:45:37 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: iowamark

A trend we’ll likely see if things don’t get sorted out soon.


20 posted on 01/21/2013 8:55:27 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Pray for revival. <BCC><)
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To: fella

****Huntsville Arkansas had a similar incident with hard feelings lasting into recent times.****

Perhaps it is because Madison County is the only county that voted to stay in the Union.


21 posted on 01/21/2013 9:12:29 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Dang! A FReeper who knows about Madison (Bogger) county Arkansas.


22 posted on 01/21/2013 9:21:19 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: iowamark; rockrr; Sherman Logan; x; central_va; Dusty Road; Happy Rain; Rebelbase; ought-six; ...
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Happy Rain: "My paternal great grandaddy rode with Bedford Forest"

ought-six: "Mine, too..."

Tupelo: "Well, well well. That makes three of us. Only it was my maternal Great Grandfather...."

First of all, I have seen the historical marker at the intersection of NC 208 and 218.
Some of my relatives there, and their neighbors, have family connections to the victims.
Even to this day they are not so friendly to outsiders. ;-)

For those whose ancestors rode with Nathan Bedford Forest, one of my great-grandfathers fought against him -- on the losing side in October 1862, at Rutherford Station, Mobile & Ohio Railroad (northwest of Memphis, Tennessee), on the winning side in July 1864, at Tupelo, Mississippi.

I have the greatest personal respect for Forest, precisely because, when he had the opportunity, he did not do to my ancestor's unit as Keith did in North Carolina.
Indeed, I believe Forest's good behavior at Rutherford Station was returned in July 1864, at the battle of Tupelo, when Forest reconnoitering, rode right through a Union unit at night (much like Stonewall Jackson), but Forest escaped unharmed.

One good turn deserved another, I think.
And the key point to remember is that Forest's behavior was more the rule, Keith's the rare exception.

23 posted on 01/21/2013 11:44:31 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: Rebelbase

Interesting tagline to that book: “The killers had names, the victims had kin, and everybody had a gun.”


24 posted on 01/21/2013 12:07:35 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: BroJoeK
And the key point to remember is that Forest's behavior was more the rule, Keith's the rare exception.

It is often easy to forget that our CW had by far the fewest atrocities committed during and following the war of ANY great civil war in history.

25 posted on 01/21/2013 12:26:26 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

The Cherokee fought their own civil war in the middle of ours.

Not that this was much of anything new to them.


26 posted on 01/21/2013 12:30:44 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Tupelo

Brice’s Crossroads is still studied to this day as to how a smaller force (i.e., Forrest’s Confederates) could wreak havoc on a much larger force (i.e., Sturgis’s Federals).


27 posted on 01/21/2013 12:34:12 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Tupelo

Brice’s Crossroads is still studied to this day as to how a smaller force (i.e., Forrest’s Confederates) could wreak havoc on a much larger force (i.e., Sturgis’s Federals).


28 posted on 01/21/2013 12:37:41 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Sherman Logan
It is often easy to forget that our CW had by far the fewest atrocities committed during and following the war of ANY great civil war in history.

If you want to forget Sherman's (The Torch) Georgia and Carolina campaigns.... LOL

29 posted on 01/21/2013 4:00:04 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Do you understand the concept of less and more? Hint: less does not mean none.

If you wish to challenge my observation, feel free to demonstrate why I’m wrong by referencing a great civil war that had fewer atrocities.


30 posted on 01/21/2013 4:55:02 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: central_va; Sherman Logan
central_va: "If you want to forget Sherman's (The Torch) Georgia and Carolina campaigns.... LOL"

LOL?
To keep things in perspective, let us rehearse again the Confederate invasions and operations in Union states and territories.
These invasions all left trails of pillage and destruction:


31 posted on 01/22/2013 5:50:07 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: Rappini
Remember Scarlett O'Hara shooting the Blue Belly trying to rape her?

She was one of the very few lucky ones when Sheridan and Sherman raped, pillaged, burned and murdered across vast swaths of the South...

...but the North won the war and so writes the histories, but we in the South know from the telling of our forefathers the evil and cruel fascist behavior of the Union Armies in the South.

32 posted on 01/22/2013 6:33:20 AM PST by Happy Rain ("Banning guns over Adam Lanza would be like banning speech over Bill Maher.")
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To: central_va
Don't forget Sheridan and his raping, burning, murdering, starving and pillaging the Shenandoah Vally.

Sherman and Sheridan Blue Scum Bellies bragged for years that most the babies born in the South after the war were probably half Yankee (and not by choice).

My family was ruined by Sherman and like a Jew in old Poland I may be the illegitimate descendant of a rapist Cossack.

33 posted on 01/22/2013 6:43:14 AM PST by Happy Rain ("Banning guns over Adam Lanza would be like banning speech over Bill Maher.")
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To: Happy Rain

There is a book that I read a few years about called The South Was Right by the Kennedy brothers that really made me think that the South Was Right.


34 posted on 01/22/2013 6:46:42 AM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: BroJoeK

You forgot the invasion of Vermont. LOL

To be perfectly fair, the various CSA invasions of northern territory were generally better-behaved than those of the Union, particularly Sherman’s troops.

With the notable and obvious exceptions of the raid on Lawrence and similar actions by irregulars. But those were part of the “dirty war” in the border states carried out by irregulars, where atrocities were a lot more common than by regular troops of either side.

In fact, even at Lawrence the raiders are reported to have tipped their hats to the ladies before tossing their bound husbands and sons into the burning buildings.

Ran across an interesting article about Sherman’s March and how destructive it was in reality vs. myth.

http://people.cohums.ohio-state.edu/grimsley1/myth/myth.htm

Contemporary accounts are unanimous that SC suffered much more than GA or (particularly) NC, which doesn’t line up well with the mythology of the March across Georgia being all-destroying. If they destroyed everything in GA, how could they destroy a lot more in SC?

I do know that some of Sherman’s soldiers were hanged for rape, which doesn’t line up with such behavior being encouraged.


35 posted on 01/22/2013 7:14:26 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Rappini
The Union Industrialists of the North who owned Lincoln and resented the competition of Southern slave labor and the Southern politicians in the pockets of the wealthy slave owning planters made the war about slavery.

Fully 98% of both countries did not care one bit about slavery.

After enough Yankee soldiers were killed the survivors, their comrades, just wanted revenge and they didn't care for what cause—they wanted blood and the bodies of their hated enemies women...

The Red Army in East Germany during WWII is the best comparison.

36 posted on 01/22/2013 7:28:41 AM PST by Happy Rain ("Banning guns over Adam Lanza would be like banning speech over Bill Maher.")
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To: Rappini

I read it too. Interesting arguments but wrong conclusions. The southron slavers were wrong (thank God).


37 posted on 01/22/2013 9:09:46 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Happy Rain
"The Union Industrialists of the North who owned Lincoln and resented the competition of Southern slave labor and the Southern politicians in the pockets of the wealthy slave owning planters made the war about slavery" A agree. The war was started by the politicians who were "owned" by the interests of the wealthy. The average, non slave owning southerner was fighting to keep his homeland from being invaded. One example for support of slavery as the root cause can be found in the money printed by confederate states and southern private banks during the war. Symbolism adorning money most often enshrines the highest, most sacred institutions of a culture. Many banks offered money adorned with slave scenes.


38 posted on 01/22/2013 10:00:20 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: rockrr

so was Lincoln.


39 posted on 01/22/2013 10:08:12 AM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: Rebelbase
You contradict yourself—printed money presented the symbols of the government and the wealthy elite “culture” who financed their purchasing power and never represented the popular culture of the American people of the South.

98% percent of the Americans fighting against the Blue Scum Belly Union thug invaders had their own culture-one enshrined by Jamestown, Charleston, Savannah and New Orleans—that of defending their homes from war criminal bastards following the orders of avarice-ridden imperial Big Government fascist sons of bitches.

40 posted on 01/22/2013 10:35:15 AM PST by Happy Rain ("Banning guns over Adam Lanza would be like banning speech over Bill Maher.")
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To: Happy Rain
"Sherman and Sheridan Blue Scum Bellies bragged for years that most the babies born in the South after the war were probably half Yankee (and not by choice)."

You wouldn't happen to have a cite for this, would you? I have read extensively on the Shenendoah Campaign, as well as Sherman's March, and have never read anything that indicated such statements.

41 posted on 01/22/2013 10:55:23 AM PST by BlueLancer ("Oh, man, that's a lot of Indians!" [LTC George A. Custer, 1876, near the Little Bighorn Valley])
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To: BlueLancer
Not surprising since it is purely oral history and rape in the old South went unreported to the officials because of the social stigma attached.

Margaret Michell knew from such histories about the “Bummers” aka looters, murderers and rapists who followed the Union Armies and included one in her “Gone With The Wind.”

To admit to having been raped by a Yankee (one step below an orangutan) would have destroyed the social life of any respectable white Southern woman forever...the bragging of the rapists is but oral history as well since the liberal Yankee media spikes any information detrimental to their agenda--even to this day.

We who have ancestors who went through the war know what happened.

42 posted on 01/22/2013 11:14:02 AM PST by Happy Rain ("Banning guns over Adam Lanza would be like banning speech over Bill Maher.")
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To: Happy Rain
Well, I'm not necessarily disputing your statement that it occurred.

"Sherman and Sheridan Blue Scum Bellies bragged for years that most the babies born in the South after the war were probably half Yankee (and not by choice)."

I'm wondering where you got the allegation that there was any bragging .. or anything else of the like .. on the part of soldiers or officials of the Union Army, as I have never seen the like of that in any of the documentation.

43 posted on 01/22/2013 11:28:19 AM PST by BlueLancer ("Oh, man, that's a lot of Indians!" [LTC George A. Custer, 1876, near the Little Bighorn Valley])
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To: Sherman Logan; central_va; Happy Rain; rockrr; Rappini
Sherman Logan: "You forgot the invasion of Vermont. LOL"

Sorry, I ran out of time and didn't do a proper job of it.
Will try again, at some point.

Sherman Logan: "To be perfectly fair, the various CSA invasions of northern territory were generally better-behaved than those of the Union, particularly Sherman’s troops."

I don't agree, for the following reasons:

Sherman Logan: "Ran across an interesting article about Sherman’s March and how destructive it was in reality vs. myth."

Thanks for the link, it makes the point very well.

Sherman Logan: "Contemporary accounts are unanimous that SC suffered much more than GA or (particularly) NC..."

Important to point out that not all the destruction -- whether real or fanciful -- was done by Sherman:


44 posted on 01/22/2013 1:45:05 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: Happy Rain; Sherman Logan; rockrr
Happy Rain: "We who have ancestors who went through the war know what happened."

In years after the Civil War, many personal histories were added to newspaper and other contemporary reports of the war.
All of these have been scoured by generations of historians looking to find evidence of mass murders & rapes, etc.

None have been found.
I conclude therefore that such claims are somewhat, ahem, exaggerated.

45 posted on 01/22/2013 2:05:57 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: Happy Rain

Got it.

The fact that few charges were laid against Union soldiers for rape constitutes definitive evidence that just about every white southern woman was raped.

Absence of evidence is the best proof.


46 posted on 01/22/2013 2:36:51 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Happy Rain; rockrr; BroJoeK
We who have ancestors who went through the war know what happened.

Family legend is not always entirely historically accurate. See Miss Pocahontas Elizabeth Warren.

Will probably p*ss off an entirely new group by bringing it up, but family history used to cement group identities has a habit of developing hyperbolically.

Perhaps the classic example is the story of "No Irish Need Apply," for which there is an entire mythology of how it was universal in newspaper employment ads, on "Help Wanted" signs in windows, etc. throughout the country. So common that it was often just the acronym NINA. Shows how oppressed the Irish were in America.

So a professor decided to research just how common it was. After going through many thousands of newspaper pages throughout the century, hundreds of thousands of ads, he found less than 10 examples. Don't remember the exact number.

The legend continues to exist and creates hostility if its accuracy is challenged, despite almost zero evidence of its truth.

Same with the stories of mass rape of southern women. Bet you anything the family histories don't have their women being raped, just everybody else's.

BTW, wouldn't blaming the southern woman for her own rape by Union soldiers lean a bit in the Islamist honor-killing direction?

Margaret Michell knew from such histories about the “Bummers” aka looters, murderers and rapists who followed the Union Armies and included one in her “Gone With The Wind.”

Quite right. Deserters from both armies, southern criminals and others no doubt took advantage of helpless people and preyed on those in the wake of the armies. As despicable predators always have. My understanding is that when caught, both armies hanged them.

47 posted on 01/22/2013 2:49:34 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: iowamark
Although not a great film by any means, Ride with the Devil looks at the Civil War in Missouri, and how easy it is for groups to start committing atrocities, and how hard it is to stop. Atrocity begets counter-atrocity, which begets counter-counter-atrocity, and soon not even those involved, on either side, can explain what particular atrocity they attempting to avenge when they commit a new atrocity.
48 posted on 01/22/2013 3:04:05 PM PST by Pilsner
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To: Happy Rain

“You contradict yourself”

Nope, read it again. The government/banks were the ones printing the money.


49 posted on 01/22/2013 4:27:35 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Happy Rain
To admit to having been raped by a Yankee (one step below an orangutan) would have destroyed the social life of any respectable white Southern woman forever...

That's a fairly dimwitted thing to say.

50 posted on 01/22/2013 5:57:02 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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