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Obama to "regulate" inter-state gun sales, "limit" use of lead in ammunition
Fox News Channel | 1/29/13

Posted on 01/29/2013 8:19:16 AM PST by pabianice

Breaking... Obama is tripling-down on gun control via executive orders. Sounds like the Class 03 FFL/C&R will be limited or abolished. Will seek to erase the limit on the EPA's regulating lead bullets. Here it comes, unless the Repubs do something.


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1 posted on 01/29/2013 8:19:19 AM PST by pabianice
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To: pabianice

Link? I was looking for what C&R is.


2 posted on 01/29/2013 8:21:57 AM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: pabianice

The GOPe will do worse than nothing. They will vote in favor of it, if it comes to the floor for a vote. Odinga doesn’t need an EO with a CONgress that backs him.


3 posted on 01/29/2013 8:22:05 AM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: pabianice
King Obama is our dictator and nothing can be done! The voters wanted this jackass and they got it.
4 posted on 01/29/2013 8:22:46 AM PST by Logical me
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To: pabianice

Nothing on the white house web site yet.


5 posted on 01/29/2013 8:23:41 AM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: pabianice

Oblahblah is frustrated because the American public is slow to anger. He was hoping to start CWII a lot more quickly. Now he will have to continue to push the envelope.


6 posted on 01/29/2013 8:24:47 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: pabianice

Next it will be paint balls...fools raise ruckuses where ever they can.


7 posted on 01/29/2013 8:25:10 AM PST by Dudoight
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To: pabianice

Barack Lenin remains true to form and declines to bother with constitutional roles and restraints.

Meanwhile, the sheep in congress say, “Baa Baa,” and do nothing.

And he’s only just STARTED his second term.


8 posted on 01/29/2013 8:26:32 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: BipolarBob

Curio and Relic


9 posted on 01/29/2013 8:26:49 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: pabianice

Pab, we need a link to this ASAP. This needs to be spread.


10 posted on 01/29/2013 8:26:59 AM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: BipolarBob
Link? I was looking for what C&R is.

"Curio and relics".

Quickly, it is a license that allows purchase of very old and out of date firearms without a FFL.

Also some other benefits, but that is it, mostly.....

11 posted on 01/29/2013 8:27:57 AM PST by China Clipper ( Animals? Sure I like animals. See? There they are, right next to the potatoes!)
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To: pabianice

Lead poisoning would be horrible if it became epidemic in the political classes.


12 posted on 01/29/2013 8:28:02 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Of the government, by the government, and for the government.)
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To: pabianice

***Obama to “regulate” inter-state gun sales, “limit” use of lead in ammunition***

After the 1968 GCL was passed you could not buy a firearm over state lines and ammo was regulated. Reagan changed that in the 1980s. Now only handguns cannot be sold across state lines.

As for lead, we knew over forty years ago when the first anti-lead radicals started up that their real goal was the abolition of lead in ammo.


13 posted on 01/29/2013 8:28:24 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: BipolarBob

Curios & Relics

Q: What is a firearm curio or relic?

Firearm curios or relics include firearms which have special value to collectors because they possess some qualities not ordinarily associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons. To be recognized as curios or relics, firearms must fall within one of the following categories:

Have been manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof; or

Be certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or

Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; or

Derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or from the fact of their association with some historical figure, period, or event.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/curios-relics.html


14 posted on 01/29/2013 8:29:04 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Cboldt; China Clipper

Thanks


15 posted on 01/29/2013 8:29:04 AM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: BipolarBob

C&R= Curio and Relic license.
Allows you to purchase older weapons, (50+ YO) that meet certain criteria. Also good for discounts at FFL dealers and online companies. 10% off at Midway USA and Brownells plus others.


16 posted on 01/29/2013 8:29:46 AM PST by 9422WMR
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To: thackney

Thank you


17 posted on 01/29/2013 8:29:55 AM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: BipolarBob

C&R FFL allows the holder to purchase curio and relic-class firearms (i.e. Mosin Nagants or Mausers) without going through an FFL for transfer. I’ve bought many C&R firearms with my FFL03. This is a sad and tragic thing to have happen. I’ll keep an eye on my mailbox for more information.


18 posted on 01/29/2013 8:30:01 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: BipolarBob

C&R refers to “Curio and Relic”, in other words an 03 Federal Firearms License.

The 03 license is a collector’s license, it allows said licensed individuals to have certain firearms that are legally classed as curios and relics shipped straight to the license holder’s front door. Numerous vendors also give 03 FFL holders the same resale discounts they do to other FFL holders.


19 posted on 01/29/2013 8:30:36 AM PST by jameslalor
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To: pabianice
He'll need to beware, thee Toxic Substances Control Act of 1976 specifically exempts lead from governemnt regulation in ammunition....

He cannot override US statute with an EO, other than to tell all administrative agencies to stop using it and use something else....

If he so does, then he'll be breaking US law and the duty of the office of president as defined by the constitution. Impeach him.

High crimes and misdemeanors include deliberately violating or circumventing the laws of the US. He is charged with a constitutional duty of taking care that the laws are faithfully executed (Art II section 3), not breaking them for political expediences.

20 posted on 01/29/2013 8:31:59 AM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: pabianice
Obama to "regulate" inter-state gun sales, "limit" use of lead in ammunition

Oh, Boy! That's going to do a lot of good?? Most of the public will treat the "O" executive orders the same was "O" is treating the recent NLRB Circuit Court decision...they will ignore it.

21 posted on 01/29/2013 8:32:26 AM PST by GoldenPup
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To: China Clipper
it is a license that allows purchase of very old and out of date firearms without a FFL. Not technically correct. YOU become the FFL dealer. They ship the firearms directly to your home (or business) address. We're required to keep records akin to your standard FFL dealer. We just get around the $20-$50 transfer fee most FFLs charge.

This will just mean that the price of Mosins and Mausers will go up, I believe.

22 posted on 01/29/2013 8:32:47 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Now only handguns cannot be sold across state lines.

I do not believe handguns are treated any differently by the feds than other firearms for sales within or across state lines.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/industry/0501-firearms-top-10-qas.pdf

23 posted on 01/29/2013 8:33:14 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: pabianice

Link or I call bull.


24 posted on 01/29/2013 8:33:59 AM PST by lakeman (Semper Fi)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


25 posted on 01/29/2013 8:34:21 AM PST by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: pabianice
Here it comes, unless the Repubs do something.

Unless they do something? Surely you jest. If you're not, see my tagline.

26 posted on 01/29/2013 8:34:26 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: pabianice
Good luck with that decree there obama, let's see how that works out for him and his goons. Necessity is the mother of invention, and if one can't buy it, one makes it.
27 posted on 01/29/2013 8:35:12 AM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


28 posted on 01/29/2013 8:35:22 AM PST by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I agree, Trying to paint him as a commie or muslim or America hater are small parts.

He is about death, chaos, lies and destruction just like his father. He told us what he would do with his abe Lincoln fetish.

I think theres a natural disaster on the way and they know about it but cant stop it. They think telling the public would be worse then not.


29 posted on 01/29/2013 8:38:05 AM PST by winodog (Thank you Jesus for the calm in my life)
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To: Manly Warrior

This stuff will of course all be challenged in court. The DC circuit has been encouraging (though we still don’t know what he has on John Roberts). In any event they will take years to wind through the courts, during which time he will extract beaucoup dollars from lefty gun-grabbing groups. And if they get mad when they’re struck down he’ll likely be on a beach in Honolulu by then anyhow.


30 posted on 01/29/2013 8:39:47 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: pabianice

Where is the link for this story?


31 posted on 01/29/2013 8:40:21 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: lakeman

It was TV newscast.

Your desire to call bull, doesn’t impact the facts.


32 posted on 01/29/2013 8:41:59 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Manly Warrior

Obama and his cabal have already refused to faithfully execute many laws. The Defense of Marriage Act, for just one such example.

This is no longer a nation of laws, but rather a nation of selectively applied laws, with an elite faction and protected people groups that are not held to the same compliance requirements as the general population.


33 posted on 01/29/2013 8:42:12 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: pabianice
NOTE:

The TYPE 03 Federal Firearms License (FFL) is Collector of Curios and Relics (C&R)

NOT to be confused with

CLASS 3 Special Occupational Tax (SOT) that allows Type 01 FFL holders to deal, tax free, in Title I NFA firearms (machineguns, suppressors, short barrel shotguns (SBS), short barrel rifles (SBR), destructive devices (DD), and Any Other Weapons (AOW).

34 posted on 01/29/2013 8:43:08 AM PST by DCBryan1 (Dear Congress Critter: Help create jobs and support RKBA by repealing 18 USC 922 (o).)
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To: BipolarBob

C&R = Curio and Relic.

I have one. Its an FFL that allows me to collect firearms directly if they are 50+ years old and are not on an exclusionary list.


35 posted on 01/29/2013 8:44:43 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: pabianice

PUSH BACK: “Buyback” hijacked into gun show; range closed to anti-gun city’s cops
January 28, 2013

http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=5272


36 posted on 01/29/2013 8:45:54 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Nachum

Nachum, we don’t have a link to this. Don’t add it to the list just yet.


37 posted on 01/29/2013 8:48:16 AM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: pabianice

What is to stop the ammo manufacturers from building plants in each state? Then interstate commerce does not apply.


38 posted on 01/29/2013 8:49:40 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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‘Green’ Ammo: Army To Demonstrate Lead-Free Ammunition

ABERDEEN, Md. — The Army will be demonstrating new “green” ammunition at the Aberdeen Proving Ground in Maryland.

The military began providing the lead-free round last June to U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan. It replaces ammunition used since the early 1980s.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/04/green-ammo-lead-free-ammunition-army_n_857409.html


39 posted on 01/29/2013 8:49:49 AM PST by KeyLargo
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What is to stop the ammo manufacturers from building plants in each state? Then interstate commerce does not apply.


40 posted on 01/29/2013 8:49:49 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Old Sarge

Ok, thanks for the heads up.


41 posted on 01/29/2013 8:50:57 AM PST by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: lakeman

Smells fishy.....why wouldn’t this have been at his grand announcement?


42 posted on 01/29/2013 8:51:27 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: lakeman

Smells fishy.....why wouldn’t this have been at his grand announcement?


43 posted on 01/29/2013 8:51:44 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Old Sarge

There is no link. Reported live on Fox News Channel.


44 posted on 01/29/2013 8:52:01 AM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: pabianice

How about a link? Nothing on Fox at this moment.


45 posted on 01/29/2013 8:52:07 AM PST by SERE_MSgt
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To: pabianice

IIRC, He can’t legislate something that exists as legislated.


46 posted on 01/29/2013 8:57:10 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Manly Warrior

Sorry, but I don’t think hussein give 2 craps about any laws, restrictions or violations of the Constitution. Nobody has the cojones to do anything about it either because that would be raaaaccccccciiiiiissssst. Sad state of affairs huh? The only thing that’s going to faithfully executed is our civil rights if we don’t keep the pressure on the “elected(?)” officials. “Rights? You don’t need no stinkin’ rights.” Worst of all, hussein will then have to use steel shot in his over/under fully semi automatic skeet rifle. Unless of course he’s exempt from the ignorant radical left wing extremist difi bill.

Molon labe.


47 posted on 01/29/2013 8:57:52 AM PST by rktman (Live the oath you took or get out of office!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Face it, Obama could just start this fracas anytime he desires and ignite by blaming a rightwinger. Nothing is stopping him. He will do it when he is ready.

I think he is really intending to ban and confiscate eventually and all this stuff is to prove his power. A psy ops of a type, but one that the reality will hit ya while you bide your time thinking he is only goading you.

Bad situation and I see nobody in elected office speaking out.


48 posted on 01/29/2013 8:58:04 AM PST by dforest
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To: Nachum

‘Come and take it’

http://gunfreezone.net/wordpress/


49 posted on 01/29/2013 8:59:06 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: pabianice

Obama want America to be a nation of powerful men making laws in secret.


50 posted on 01/29/2013 9:00:02 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Children, pets, and slaves get taken care of. Free Men take care of themselves.)
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