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Walmart Sales Slide
Drudgereport | Feb 15 | Renee Dudley

Posted on 02/15/2013 1:45:05 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

Walmart sales called a 'total disaster'. Anyone else making the connection with the shoddy treatment of gun owners and the slavish boot kissing of the Administration?


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Maybe it is just me thinking this....
1 posted on 02/15/2013 1:45:08 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

I believe it has more to do with two three things. First off, income tax refunds are later this year, making same day sales from a year ago skewed. Second, of course, is gas prices. The third and biggest reason is lack of jobs. The Obamaconomy sucks.


2 posted on 02/15/2013 1:50:51 PM PST by pnut22
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

Is this the source?

Report: Wal-Mart February Sales a ‘Total Disaster’ Amid Tax Hike

http://www.foxbusiness.com/industries/2013/02/15/report-wal-mart-february-sales-total-disaster-amid-tax-hike/


3 posted on 02/15/2013 1:52:31 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

Although walmart is somewhat protected, it can’t exactly be immune to the rest of the economy.


4 posted on 02/15/2013 1:53:48 PM PST by MetaThought
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

I dunno. Both sides are pretty ticked off at Walmart. maybe it’s just an accumulation of it all.


5 posted on 02/15/2013 2:05:09 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

Walmart is a bellweather. This does not bode well for the powers that be...


6 posted on 02/15/2013 2:09:08 PM PST by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

Anecdotal evidence is just that but here is my take as a Walmart visitor 3-4 times/month...

Walmart is no longer immune from the same malady that struck big box and mall retailers some years ago, namely:

1) Shocking, visible-from-space dropoffs in the quality of goods. Walmart has always sold cheap, shapeless clothing but in addition to its Chinese origin it now features Chinese quality control or lack thereof.

2) Effects of the grocery and consumable goods shrink ray are now obvious to all. Boxes with mostly air inside, graceful swan necks on bottles meant to conceal a decrease in volume, etc. Look at all the flagship brands who now push versions marked basic, everyday, etc.

3) In both instances prices either stay the same or continue to increase.

Electronics have reached a very large plateau; with hardware platforms mostly standardized all innovation is in software - but you can’t see that on a shelf. Accessories for smartphones and tablets are of a pedestrian, cheap nature with disposability the best (?) feature.

XBox 360 was introduced in 2005, Playstation 3 in 2006, yet game publishers and retailers still expect consumers to pay full whack for the same old thing. Games can no longer be a loss leader or a same store sales magnet when the customers no longer flock to the electronics department.

Tools/hardware/automotive? CHEEEEEP. Forget the longstanding warnings about bargain basement socket sets letting you down at the worst moment; half the product on the shelves now look like they came from a child’s toy set.

Walmart is at the mercy of OEMs and vendors in most cases so much of the scorn may be misdirected but after people pay their utility bills and fill tanks with gasoline approaching $4/gas (the media blackout on this doesn’t mean it’s any cheaper nor does it filter out the engine-destroying ethanol) they have very little left even at the deepest of discounters.

Once upon a time I counted my blessings that I had survived the 70s with its shocking fashions (driven by the use of inexpensive synthetics) and horrid product design/quality only to savor the innovation and solid manufacture that engendered brand loyalty throughout the 80s and 90s.

Most iconic brands and retailers have cashed in their reputations for a share of the stack-em-high-and-sell-em-cheap pie but that pie is either shrinking, spoiled, or already gone. Walmart never let its pie get too expensive or fancy but despite their vigilance they are experiencing the same thing.


7 posted on 02/15/2013 2:12:19 PM PST by relictele
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

I’ll accept your premise if you show me some store brands that prospered as folks switched.

Until then I’m saying it’s the Baraqqi Depression year 5.


8 posted on 02/15/2013 2:19:06 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

Walmart is under constant attack from the left, they sell guns and are among the, if not the, most conservative of the big retailers..

What have they done to gun owners? Which supermarket or department store is more gun friendly?


9 posted on 02/15/2013 2:24:06 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: ansel12

Not to mention if all the illegals get amnesty they’re gonna want to start upgrading to Target, leaving Wally World in some really deep doo.


10 posted on 02/15/2013 2:29:40 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
Then you also have a Walmart heir supporting Obama. Doesn't make me feel and warm and fuzzy inside about shopping at Walmart. One report mentions $300,000. Another millions: http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/oct/20/wal-mart-chairman-gives-1m-obama-super-pac-bundler/

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/wal-mart-heir-gives-millions-to-obama-campaign-will-you-quit-shopping-at-wal-mart-now/question-3266521/

11 posted on 02/15/2013 2:32:21 PM PST by Nevadan
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To: relictele

“Effects of the grocery and consumable goods shrink ray are now obvious to all”

Its getting real annoying...the other day I saw 59 oz OJ cartons and 15 oz packs of sliced meat.


12 posted on 02/15/2013 2:34:21 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Is that the new attack by the left, to try and pretend that Illegal aliens are the Walmart customers instead of red state, gun owning Americans?

Personally, I boycott Target, not Walmart, I detest Albertsons and Vons, and Cosco, not Walmart.


13 posted on 02/15/2013 2:35:03 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: relictele

While Walmart does have hand tools that meet your description, the majority of the hand tools on their shelves are of surprisingly good quality. They are several significant notches above the crap you described. The crap you described is only found in a small row of boxes on the bottom shelf base.

I am a tool addict who considers Crafstman hand tools to be mediocre, and who thinks Snap-On isn’t always the best quality available. In other words, a bit of a tool snob. And I still am surprised at the quality of some of Walmart’s offerings.


14 posted on 02/15/2013 2:39:52 PM PST by JimSp
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

I think it is just you thinking that you think that their stand on guns one way or the other has much to do with it.

It is the fifth year of a massive depression that the mainstream media denies is occurring. When 20% of the working population is under or unemployed even discount retailers are finally hurt.


17 posted on 02/15/2013 2:41:29 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: ansel12

Your typical Walmart has Mexicans lined-up out the door waiting to use the Western Union station to wire money home.


18 posted on 02/15/2013 2:46:17 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
This April will mark 4 years since I set foot in a walmart. Not for any political reasons, I worked there and saw firsthand how they treat their 'associates'.

It amazed me how many people could be so loyal to a company that treated them like that.

The place teaches the culture of 'Mr. Sam', yet violates those teachings at every turn.

19 posted on 02/15/2013 2:49:55 PM PST by real saxophonist (You can't take the sky from me)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Your typical Walmart has Mexicans lined-up out the door waiting to use the Western Union station to wire money home.

Funny that I have never seen that in my life, much less everyday.

Illegals shop with lefties too, at Target and Cosco, they don't just shop with us gun owners and red staters.

20 posted on 02/15/2013 3:00:10 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: real saxophonist
It amazed me how many people could be so loyal to a company that treated them like that.

Yet they are.

Where is it that you guys do all your shopping that is more conservative, or more hated by the left?

21 posted on 02/15/2013 3:02:53 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
I remember a made up issue regarding ammo sales, but other than that, what shoddy treatment of gun owners are you referring to?

I don't fault Walmart for a rumor that was likely started by the left to stir up conservative anger toward Walmart.

22 posted on 02/15/2013 3:11:39 PM PST by Washi (PUSH BACK! Encourage your legislators to introduce pro-second amendment legislation.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

We have a couple of really nice walmarts locally.

However I think that the People of Walmart reputation is not helping the Walmart chain.


23 posted on 02/15/2013 3:12:56 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: ansel12

Sorry, by loyal, I meant employees, not shoppers. As I said, my reasons are not political. I do my shopping by what works best for me, I simply choose to exclude walmart.


24 posted on 02/15/2013 3:18:31 PM PST by real saxophonist (You can't take the sky from me)
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To: Washi
I remember a made up issue regarding ammo sales, but other than that, what shoddy treatment of gun owners are you referring to?

Regarding that made up ammo issue, I have continued to obtain WalMart ammo (Winchester, Remington, etc), and their prices are excellent - the best around. They get 2-3 shipments a week, and expect that to go on forever. They put in a 3 box limit because people were buying WalMart's inexpensive ammo to resell at gun shows for higher prices, but otherwise no real change in policy. There is no WalMart turn away from shooting sports.

25 posted on 02/15/2013 3:24:54 PM PST by Pollster1
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To: Chickensoup
I think that the People of Walmart reputation is not helping the Walmart chain.

People like me you mean? Family man, prayerful, educated, healthy, a professional, conservative, shooter, hunter, fisherman, prepper, pay so much in taxes I'm ashamed for my country, a flag-waving, nation-loving, law-abiding citizen?

That kind of people you mean?

26 posted on 02/15/2013 3:29:02 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: real saxophonist
Sorry, by loyal, I meant employees, not shoppers.

So did I, Walmart employees seem to like working there.

I shop by what is best for me also, and Walmart prices are best on most things that I buy, I also don't like to support the left, unions, price-gouging, and anti-gun stores, so I rarely or never use the stores that you Walmart haters use.

27 posted on 02/15/2013 3:29:49 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: Fightin Whitey

People like me you mean? Family man, prayerful, educated, healthy, a professional, conservative, shooter, hunter, fisherman, prepper, pay so much in taxes I’m ashamed for my country, a flag-waving, nation-loving, law-abiding citizen?

That kind of people you mean?
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No not at all. The Website People of Walmart:

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/

and the stories about some of the out of control people there.


28 posted on 02/15/2013 3:31:29 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Chickensoup

The left put together a collection of photos to bring down the store they hate.

Any conservative could do the same thing to any other store, what shocks me is how effective leftist propaganda is, and how many people post and promote that site, who normally don’t support the left on many other issues, besides breaking non-union/gun carrying stores.


29 posted on 02/15/2013 3:35:30 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

Yet Costco, left leaning; thrives. Its CEO spoke at the DNC. Prices there are going up in a big way. Somehow inflation figures don’t show it.

There may be more to Walmart’s sales ups and downs than shelf prices. It’s getting a reputation for sleaze and obesity.


30 posted on 02/15/2013 3:36:28 PM PST by cicero2k
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To: lacrew; relictele
Boxes with mostly air inside

Case in point - granola bars, nutrition bars, even candy bars - they're all visibly smaller when you open the package, but the package is the same size. Coffee - you can't find a 2 lb or 3 lb package - they're all smaller than those traditional packages. Liquors that used to be 86 or even 90 proof are now 80 proof, the federal minimum legal limit for calling it distilled spirits. Newspapers and most news magazines are thinner, but the same price, and still spewing the same toxic liberal crap that they always do.

31 posted on 02/15/2013 3:40:21 PM PST by Hardastarboard (The Liberal ruling class hates me. The feeling is mutual.)
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To: Chickensoup

LOL, you serve the left well.


32 posted on 02/15/2013 3:40:27 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: Washi

Three weeks ago I bought a Colt M4 LE 6920 for $1,097 at Walmart. I love them.


33 posted on 02/15/2013 3:46:14 PM PST by suthener
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To: cicero2k

I belong to both Sam’s and Costco, and the stores are only a few miles apart.

In my view, the clientele in Costco is definitely more upscale than Sam’s. You get a “higher end” vibe about the whole place. One other interesting thing is that Costco’s gasoline price is typically 2 cents above Sam’s also, although both are usually 10-12 cents below prevailing prices.

I heard an analyst on tv mention that Costco is just a breakeven financial proposition on their merchandise and all their profit comes from the membership money.


34 posted on 02/15/2013 3:50:37 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

It would be an interesting comparison to see how Amazon is doing. Walmart is terrified of Amazon.


35 posted on 02/15/2013 3:52:58 PM PST by MrsEmmaPeel (a government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have)
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To: ansel12

do you have any documentation that the site is funded by the left. I would sure like to see it.


36 posted on 02/15/2013 3:54:09 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: ansel12

I do not SERVE the left.

I am probably one of the olders here and if I dont have information, I look for it.

Your namecalling is useless.

Less a sheepdog and more a weasel.


37 posted on 02/15/2013 3:58:09 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: ansel12
That's fine. Just remember I'm speaking from experience as a former walmart associate.

And I don't 'support the left'. It's mostly local places, a non-union grocery store, or online like everybody else.

38 posted on 02/15/2013 4:01:27 PM PST by real saxophonist (You can't take the sky from me)
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To: Chickensoup

You do serve the left when you push their agenda and propaganda, see post 28.


39 posted on 02/15/2013 4:03:56 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: ansel12

Oh - Just for fun: I actually missed out on a lot of gigs because I refused to join the Musician’s Union.


40 posted on 02/15/2013 4:05:09 PM PST by real saxophonist (You can't take the sky from me)
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To: real saxophonist
It's mostly local places, a non-union grocery store, or online like everybody else.

I think most people shop at many large stores, they buy their groceries, clothes, appliances, electronics at box stores which are to the left of, and in competition with Walmart.

You avoid Walmart.

41 posted on 02/15/2013 4:07:13 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

It’s not just Walmart. The continuing recession is chocking the financial life out of many of Walmart’s customers.


42 posted on 02/15/2013 4:08:31 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: ansel12
Just yesterday, I was at King Soopers (Kroger affiliate), and I asked the girl at the service desk if one had to join a union in order to work there.

She said no, unless you work in the meat department. I found that interesting, because that's what I did at walmart. Meat department.

So I'd have to do something else were I to be hired there.

43 posted on 02/15/2013 4:14:26 PM PST by real saxophonist (You can't take the sky from me)
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To: Chickensoup

When you see and hear leftists tell stories about Tea Party activities and gatherings, do you believe them too?

Supposedly Tea Party members are also fat, white bigots who who make threats and get totally out of control...

Tell you what, FRiend, I don’t like all of Walmart’s policies or politics either...but where I live the stores are clean, the staff is eager and helpful (if not always expert) and I would far and away rather be there than in a Starbucks or for that matter a Costo with its constant contingent of posing, strutting snobs.


44 posted on 02/15/2013 4:18:36 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

This is just my thought, but the people that used to shop Walmart now shop at dollar stores and any other place they can get needed goods for the cheapest possible price.


45 posted on 02/15/2013 4:21:10 PM PST by bigredkitty1 (March 5,2010. Rest in peace, sweet boy. I will miss you, Big Red.)
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To: real saxophonist
Just yesterday, I was at King Soopers (Kroger affiliate), and I asked the girl at the service desk if one had to join a union in order to work there. She said no, unless you work in the meat department. I found that interesting, because that's what I did at walmart. Meat department. So I'd have to do something else were I to be hired there.

It looked like you were informing us or at least trying to create the impression that Walmart meat is union, just like the store that you choose to shop at while choosing to avoid Walmart, I don't think that it is.

""Kroger is a union company and its employees are represented by the United Food and Commercial Workers (UFCW).""

46 posted on 02/15/2013 4:33:41 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: bigredkitty1
People who are really strapped for cash do very minimalist shopping, spending as little as possible to do it, and that includes cost to get there. Walmart is almost always a “Supercenter” destination type store, anchoring a local strip shopping center. These are scattered around, not necessarily being the closest place.

Dollar General, on the other hand, has smaller stores in every little burg, they're close by. Selection is much thinner but prices are just as good if not better, and it's handy.

I'd never set foot in a dollar store until 2008, now I buy most of my incidental stuff there, it's a mile away and right on my commute. I hit an actual grocery store, in my case Food Lion, once, maybe twice a month at most. Meats, produce, the things a Dollar General does not stock.

It can be sort of depressing, because the poorest of the poor do shop there, especially on Saturday with the $5.00 off coupon on a $25.00 purchase. But, it works. So, I continue to do it. There are lines at their checkout now, which is a relatively new thing.

47 posted on 02/15/2013 4:33:41 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
Walamart is becoming it's own worse enemy in several respects. The first thing harming them is their on time delivery or rather inventory system. High Sales Volume Items are not being kept in stock and the next so called on time delivery may be a week off and then in limited quantities. The very basics of retail sales is you must stock such items to sell such items. Not having such items means lost sales.

The next things is people are learning that their big ticket items with brand names are not usually of the same quality as items sold by dealerships. Investing in any outdoor power equipment for example sold there isn't a good idea.

Another thing hurting sales is their elimination of Layaway. Walmarts were originally built to target blue collar workers and lower income customers. Layaway is a great way to purchase an item to avoid credit debt. Rather than charge a small fee Walmart instead partnered with a credit card company. Lay away was replaced with store credit cards.

In their clothing department it is chaos and unorganized mayhem in some stores. There used to be notable easy to recognize sections for mens and boys clothing and womens and girls clothing. Now you have to read the tags closely and understand their coding system. It is so dysfunctional not even the workers can often tell what's what.

Behind all of this is the micromanaging of stores from Bentonville. The managers for the most part are keepers of the keys for every little register boo boo.They have very little say or control over inventory or location of even the items paced in boxes about in the aisles. All of that is decided by Bentonville. I've also figured the what I refer to as backward layout Walmarts are the worse for ease of finding items. These are the stores where the food section is on the right hand side. These are also the ones with the most dysfunctional clothing sections.P>

Walmart Corp management in the past two decades has distanced itself from the consumers. As recent as 15 years ago you could write a letter to any VP in charge of certain aspects and they themselves handled it or their office contacted you. Today you make any complaint to corp and it gets automatically referred back to the local store to an associate who can not resolve Zilch. I know this is true. Years ago I wrote a letter to the VP in charge of Loss Prevention over their highly annoying high pitched alarm system each time someone entered or left electronics. I did get a call from the VP and the alarms were removed.

I've learned Walmart many times is not the low price store. I've bought everything from soft drinks to paper towels, to meat, else where cheaper most of the time. By elsewhere I mean the grocery store and they will empty the shopping cart at the checkout, bag it up, and offer to help take it out for me. Their lines move faster as well.

48 posted on 02/15/2013 4:35:52 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: ansel12
It looked like you were informing us or at least trying to create the impression that Walmart meat is union, just like the store that you choose to shop at while choosing to avoid Walmart, I don't think that it is.

I did not mean that at all, and I don't know from whence that was misconstrued. Now you're just making stuff up, which is unfortunate.

49 posted on 02/15/2013 4:49:21 PM PST by real saxophonist (You can't take the sky from me)
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To: RegulatorCountry

People are having to get creative to survive in this economy. Coupons are always in my purse, just in case I need them. Still, there are foodstuffs I refuse to buy at Walmart: milk, ground beef and other fresh meats and seasonal fresh produce. Milk because the local Braum’s has a gallon of milk at $2.79/gallon, super fresh and delicious. Ground beef and other fresh meat because a Walmart employee my family knows warned us NOT to buy the meat at Walmart. Wouldn’t say why, just not to buy it. Fresh seasonal produce because it’s cheaper and better quality at an upscale grocery I drive by in the way to work. For DFW area Freepers, Central Market is a great place for in season produce.


50 posted on 02/15/2013 5:10:24 PM PST by bigredkitty1 (March 5,2010. Rest in peace, sweet boy. I will miss you, Big Red.)
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