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Family's Home Raided over Facebook Photo of Child's Rifle
Fox Nation ^ | March 19, 2013 | Todd Starnes

Posted on 03/19/2013 2:01:47 PM PDT by JouleZ

Edited on 03/19/2013 2:40:09 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

New Jersey police and Dept. of Children and Families officials raided the home of a firearms instructor and demanded to see his guns after he posted a Facebook photo of his 11-year-old son holding a rifle.

“Someone called family services about the photo,” said Evan Nappen, an attorney representing Shawn Moore. “It led to an incredible, heavy-handed raid on his house. They wanted to see his gun safe, his guns and search his house. They even threatened to take his kids.” Moore was not arrested or charged.


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TOPICS: Local News; Miscellaneous; Outdoors; Society
KEYWORDS: awb; banglist; childhood; evannappen; government; gunban; guncontrol; guns; nappen; newjersey; orwell; parentalrights; parenting; rights; secondamendment; shawnmoore; totalitarians
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1 posted on 03/19/2013 2:01:47 PM PDT by JouleZ
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To: JouleZ

According to the story I read, he didn’t let them in the house, and they didn’t push the issue because they didn’t have a warrant.


2 posted on 03/19/2013 2:04:15 PM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: JouleZ

As usual - the headline is probably misleading and there is more to the story than is being told.

It doesn’t take much for an angry bitter ex wife/relative/friend/whatever to call in a bogus report. And a rifle???? OMG. What more proof do you need?

/s


3 posted on 03/19/2013 2:05:59 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Oberon

It also helped to have his lawyer on the speaker phone as a witness.


4 posted on 03/19/2013 2:06:16 PM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Oberon

No warrant, no entry. End of discussion.


5 posted on 03/19/2013 2:10:21 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JouleZ
I stood my ground (How one man stood up to the jack booted thugs in NJ.....it's coming)

Original thread from two days ago.

6 posted on 03/19/2013 2:12:11 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: JouleZ

7 posted on 03/19/2013 2:12:34 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Nachum

The family’s trouble started Saturday night when Moore received an urgent text message from his wife. The Carneys Point Police Dept. and the New Jersey Dept. of Children and Families had raided their home.

Moore immediately called Nappen and rushed home to find officers demanding to check his guns and his gun safe.

Instead, he handed the cell phone to one of the officers – so they could speak with Nappen.


8 posted on 03/19/2013 2:12:58 PM PDT by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: TigersEye

Thanks for that link...I did a search before posting...:(


9 posted on 03/19/2013 2:14:29 PM PDT by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: JoeProBono

I see nothing wrong with that picture.


10 posted on 03/19/2013 2:15:24 PM PDT by MeganC (The left have so twisted public perceptions that the truth now appears pornographic.- SpaceBar)
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To: JoeProBono

OMG!! what is next are they going to raid the home of Little Carl who is on the Walking Dead for walking around with a gun?


11 posted on 03/19/2013 2:16:39 PM PDT by Patriot Babe
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To: Oberon

The cops didn’t push the issue, that is they didn’t force their way in. However the DYFS agent pushed the issue, threatened the family with taking their kids, and the cops knew that the family’s lawyer was on speakerphone and listening to every word being said. The fact that four LEOs came with the DYFS creep showed they intended an active visit.


12 posted on 03/19/2013 2:16:49 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: JouleZ

Cute kid!!!!!!


13 posted on 03/19/2013 2:19:12 PM PDT by 1217Chic
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To: JouleZ

wait... what?

What is the problem with a kid holding a rifle? Shooting ranges around here have no real age limit as long as a parent is with them. They can even have birthday parties.


14 posted on 03/19/2013 2:19:52 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: JoeProBono

Nothing illegal about the pic, not even a suggestion of a problem in the pic.


15 posted on 03/19/2013 2:20:33 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: JouleZ
A Dept. of Children and Families spokesperson told Fox News they could not confirm or deny an investigation or raid had taken place due to government regulations.

Yes, because tons of government regulations trump the U.S. Constitution, so confirming that a violation takes time and speed is of the essence to search the premises for that evil black gun. These frikkin' people make my head hurt.

16 posted on 03/19/2013 2:21:08 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: xkaydet65

The cops only balked because they knew they were being “watched”. There is not even a hint of anything illegal in that pic.


17 posted on 03/19/2013 2:21:57 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: JouleZ

I didn’t post it to chastise you. Two days is well past the moderator’s recommended four hour limit for re-posting and posting from another source is not considered re-posting. I only added it to cross-link back to the first thread for the information. :)


18 posted on 03/19/2013 2:23:24 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: JouleZ

This is why the police must have drones. Otherwise, they wouldn’t have time to monitor all the Facebook pages.


19 posted on 03/19/2013 2:24:30 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: JouleZ

More here: http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/familys-home-raided-over-facebook-photo-of-childs-rifle.html

This needs to be out there.


20 posted on 03/19/2013 2:26:49 PM PDT by tje
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To: TigersEye

http://www.elmfork.com/Youth.php


21 posted on 03/19/2013 2:27:33 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: JouleZ

Have folks yet figured out that privacy laws protect government and not individuals?


22 posted on 03/19/2013 2:27:58 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Patriot Babe

I can’t wait until they start raiding the homes of fat people for posting pictures of themselves eating on their Facebook page.....

Surely Moochelle Obama would love that!


23 posted on 03/19/2013 2:30:36 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: JouleZ

The essence of being a boy/man is learning how to handle dangerous or potentially dangerous things and NOT GET HURT. Tools, hatchets, guns, knives, fire, chemicals, boats, etc. Dad teaches his sons the proper and responsible use of these things. The boy doesn’t get hurt and enjoys being a boy.

Modern liberalism hates BOYS and anything about being a boy.

The father should be commended for teaching his son the proper and safe use of a firearm.


24 posted on 03/19/2013 2:31:58 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Liberalism is due to a breakdown of the thinking apparatus.)
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To: JouleZ
American gestapo at work. We are in deep crap and may never be free again. Over reaching stupidity and we are supposed to honor authority?
25 posted on 03/19/2013 2:34:05 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: JoeProBono
Is that the picture?

How could anyone at Child Services have been bothered by that?

26 posted on 03/19/2013 2:34:35 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: GeronL

That’s cool! Is there one for children through the age 58? ;-)


27 posted on 03/19/2013 2:38:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: GeronL
The kid isn't the issue - a possible illegal magazine and/or unregistered "assault type firearm" (per NJ state law) is what they were fishing for.

That's a rimfire AR clone, but the lower reciever could be pre-ban and legal (which is probably why there was no warrant).

28 posted on 03/19/2013 2:38:59 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: TigersEye

That is every day


29 posted on 03/19/2013 2:39:13 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: BenLurkin

This is the Facebook photo that led to the police raid.

Moore took this photo of police outside his home.


30 posted on 03/19/2013 2:39:14 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: GeronL

I wish it was every day for me! lol


31 posted on 03/19/2013 2:41:12 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Patriot Babe

OMG! If “they” see that thirty year old photo of my daughter holding a Colt .22 SAA I’m a dead man!


32 posted on 03/19/2013 2:41:36 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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To: JouleZ

From Fox News Radio: “You can’t be prosecuted for making an allegation of child abuse –even if it’s false,” she said”

A false and misleading report regarding children is acceptabel? Tell that to Scooter Libby.

This part is scary...residents need to change this law > ASAP.


33 posted on 03/19/2013 2:41:48 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (*Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: JouleZ

COME AND TAKE IT!


34 posted on 03/19/2013 2:41:53 PM PDT by pke
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To: GeronL
The cops only balked because they knew they were being “watched”.

The same reason they object to being put on video while in action.

35 posted on 03/19/2013 2:42:09 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished.)
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To: xkaydet65
The DYFS types are always looking for a fight.

That kid is so obviously a happy, healthy and normal American kid that he drives the liberals nuts.

36 posted on 03/19/2013 2:42:41 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: TigersEye

We’re good.


37 posted on 03/19/2013 2:43:07 PM PDT by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: usconservative

0bamaCare does have provisions for neighborhood monitors so it’s not at all unbelievable that pics of fat people eating would result in visits from the authorities.


38 posted on 03/19/2013 2:43:44 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: JoeProBono

In the dead of night, huh?

Good Grief.


39 posted on 03/19/2013 2:43:49 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: JouleZ

Yes, we are! :) heh


40 posted on 03/19/2013 2:44:10 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: GeronL

The problem was potential resistance to communism.

That was the crime.


41 posted on 03/19/2013 2:44:46 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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Hey Dept. of Children and Families!

Look at his finger...

Now look at my finger.


42 posted on 03/19/2013 2:46:14 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: JouleZ

FTA:

“I was told I was being unreasonable and that I was acting suspicious because I wouldn’t open my safe,” Moore wrote on the Delaware Open Carry website. “They told me they were going to get a search warrant. I told them to go ahead.” Nappen [the lawyer] told Fox News the police wanted to inventory [his client’s] firearms. We said no way, it’s not happening,” he said. “This is a guy who is completely credentialed and his son is also credentialed.” The attorney said police eventually left and never returned.
“He has a Fourth Amendment right and he’s not going to give up his Fourth Amendment right or his Second Amendment right,” he said. “They didn’t have a warrant – so see you later.”

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/familys-home-raided-over-facebook-photo-of-childs-rifle.html


43 posted on 03/19/2013 2:48:20 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Dole are sure losers. No more!)
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To: JouleZ

easily solved

MOVE

enough hard working, freedom loving citizens leave that cesspool and they’ll starve


44 posted on 03/19/2013 2:50:03 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Oberon

45 posted on 03/19/2013 2:52:25 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: JouleZ

The young man has his trigger finger in the correct position.


46 posted on 03/19/2013 2:53:29 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: MeganC

It is obvious that the parents taught their son responsible, proper and safe firearm handling.

And which goes against the state plan and objective of taking the role as sole parent of all children living within the state.


47 posted on 03/19/2013 2:56:26 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: JoeProBono

Allous father ... should have gotten him a pencil barrel 14.5 inch w/permenently attached flash suppressor to bring to 16+ inches carbine with a floating Z-Rail. Crass daddy fer shur.


48 posted on 03/19/2013 2:59:06 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Charles Martel

Look at the ejection port ... that is an AR with a .22lr insert bolt and .22lr mag. It is easily put back into 223/556 configuration. AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT! The Bible says to raise up a child int he way that they should go ... teaching proper safety and handling of tools is part of raising up the child properly.


49 posted on 03/19/2013 3:05:06 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: JouleZ

Would be interesting to know Governor Fat Boy’s take on this...


50 posted on 03/19/2013 3:10:30 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Hope and Change has become Attack and Obfuscate.)
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