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'Enormous' number of weapons found at Pasco felon's home
Tampa Bay Times (St. Petersburg Times) ^ | March 25, 2013 | Patty Ryan

Posted on 03/26/2013 6:28:34 AM PDT by Iron Munro

TAMPA — A man who lives on a tree farm in Pasco County recently answered his door wearing body armor, with a .45-caliber handgun strapped to his chest. He alarmed an acquaintance, the FBI alleges, by talking about killing law enforcement officers.

Paul James Szaraz, 47, isn't supposed to have guns. He's a felon with convictions for burglary, carrying a concealed weapon, marijuana possession and drunken driving, records show.

But U.S. Magistrate Judge Thomas G. Wilson said in court Monday that investigators found an "enormous" quantity of weapons, ammunition and body armor while searching Szaraz's home north of Moon Lake in Hudson.

FBI spokesman David Couvertier said a SWAT team and Pasco County deputies searched the 12-acre site for hours after arresting Szaraz early Friday. The spokesman did not specify what was found, citing the prosecution by the U.S. Attorney's Office, but said agents were surprised by both the quantity and the types of weapons.

A court record offered a few hints. In an affidavit used to obtain the search warrant, FBI Special Agent Christopher S. Franck said that the acquaintance, who had known Szaraz for a year, had seen six AK-47 rifles and one .50-caliber BMG rifle in his residence.

Weapons were placed strategically by doors and windows "in order to defend his residence," the agent wrote in the affidavit.

The acquaintance reported that Szaraz spoke at length of being a patriot and mistrusting the federal government and law enforcement.

The tipster "became concerned about Szaraz when he started speaking militantly about recruiting/banding others together in order to kill law enforcement when they come to take their weapons away and put them all in FEMA camps," the affidavit states.

Agent Franck said Szaraz espouses beliefs characteristic of sovereign citizen extremists, a movement the FBI categorizes as domestic terrorism. Oklahoma City bombing accomplice Terry Nichols considered himself a sovereign citizen. Subscribers reject the authority of the government and its laws.

There is cause, Franck wrote, to believe Szaraz has "conspired with other associates to commit violent acts against law enforcement personnel."

The acquaintance initially spoke with Pasco sheriff's Detective Anthony Capo, who provided a recording device and cash for the purchase of a $1,200 AK-47 from Szaraz. The FBI stepped in.

Wilson presided over what was to be a bail hearing on a weapons charge Monday until it was discovered that Szaraz had not yet hired an attorney. Nor had he completed paperwork to qualify for a public defender. He asked Wilson to delay the hearing.

"It's sort of your call because you're the one that's sitting in jail," the judge responded.

Szaraz sat alone at the defense table, his long hair touching the middle of his back. He was calm, polite and articulate as he addressed the judge.

But when he began talking openly about the facts of his case, the judge interrupted, cautioning that anything the defendant said could be used against him.

Szaraz paused, then launched into a verbal attack on the credibility of the acquaintance-turned-FBI witness.

Court documents don't name the acquaintance but call him a former Marine. He has at least a loose tie to the neighborhood: He told investigators that he heard automatic gunfire coming from Szaraz's property at 14232 King Richards Trail "several times."

Szaraz said the man has made false statements about him.

"He's a junkie," Szaraz said. "That's your witness.

"I can't believe I'm sitting here," he said.

The judge reminded Szaraz that he was a felon and that an "enormous" number of weapons had been found at his home.

Szaraz said he wasn't using them.

"You can't have them," the judge shot back. "It's as simple as that."

The hearing was rescheduled for April 2.


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KEYWORDS: banglist; cw2; guncontrol; guns; secondamendment
If gun control laws worked this man would not have these guns.

Yet this is just the kind of incident liberals will use to justify their argument for universal background checks - ignoring the fact that people with criminal intent scoff at laws they don't like (just like politicians do).

I did note that the author made it all the way through this article without using the word "Arsenal".

1 posted on 03/26/2013 6:28:34 AM PDT by Iron Munro
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To: Iron Munro
He's a felon with convictions for burglary, carrying a concealed weapon, marijuana possession and drunken driving, records show.

Well, he could always run in the local election as a Democrat, he's got the creds.

2 posted on 03/26/2013 6:30:38 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: Iron Munro

This cannot be true. Felons aren’t supposed to have guns. It’s the law.....................


3 posted on 03/26/2013 6:32:34 AM PDT by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Iron Munro
If gun control laws worked this man would not have these guns.

Yes, that was what they said in Australia. Then the crimine wave ensued.

4 posted on 03/26/2013 6:36:12 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: Iron Munro
If gun control laws worked this man would not have these guns.

Yes, that was what they said in Australia. Then the crime wave ensued.

5 posted on 03/26/2013 6:36:39 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: Iron Munro; Travis McGee
Szaraz spoke at length of being a patriot and mistrusting the federal government and law enforcement.

And the meme goes merrily on...

6 posted on 03/26/2013 6:37:46 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Iron Munro

Charging someone with a felony for carrying a gun without a gun, therefore, denying him the right to possess guns forever in the future, is like denying someone the right to ever own a book, because he had a book without a permit, or from ever practicing a religion, because he once prayed without a permit.


7 posted on 03/26/2013 6:38:05 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Iron Munro

But he can’t have guns- there is a law against it!!

Wait... explain to me how criminals obey laws again?


8 posted on 03/26/2013 6:39:32 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Iron Munro

Proving that laws against felons owning weapons are just as ridiculous as anything the democrats can dream up.


9 posted on 03/26/2013 6:46:26 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Iron Munro

Did they take his Democrat voter registration too?


10 posted on 03/26/2013 6:50:55 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: Iron Munro
The guy is a felon and probabaly a freak, but there are lessons here for all of us. A culture of denouncing your neighbor for gain or even just for entertainment is fast developing in the US.

1. Nobody needs to know about your cache. Period. If, God forbid, you ever need it, it should surprise even your spouse.

2. Nobody needs to know all your plans. Family members only need to know those parts that depend on them. Friends and strangers should not even know that you have a plan unless...see the next point.

3. Nobody gets "cut in" until you have evidence that you can trust them with your life and your future. This includes everyone, even family. Some "like-minded" dude you met in a bar a year ago does not cut it.

4. Leave play-acting for the kids. Answering the door geared up like a ninja is just plain dumb for anybody. Keep it handy, but keep in SECRET.

In summary, give no one a reason to think that a SWAT team would be anything but bored to death by a visit to your house.

11 posted on 03/26/2013 6:53:31 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: jboot

Got this today in an email:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSQ9zsK-Sjc


12 posted on 03/26/2013 7:01:19 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (Business owners work harder! You have to support millions.)
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To: jboot; Kartographer; blam; The Duke; ChocChipCookie; Marcella; JRandomFreeper; ...

I want to echo Jboot’s comments. There are lessons learned here.

1st Rule of Prep Club: You do not talk about Prep Club.

2nd Rule of Prep Club: You DO NOT talk about Prep Club.


13 posted on 03/26/2013 7:10:48 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Iron Munro
"You can't have them," the judge shot back. "It's as simple as that." --------------------------------------------------------------------- And where exactly does it say in our founding documents that once you have a felony conviction you lose your constitutional rights? This is BS. He has every right to own firearms just as he has freedom of speech.

No one would even begin to argue that a felon no longer has his constitutional right to freedom of speech, so how does a felon lose his 2nd amendment rights? The answer could not be clearer. He doesn't

This needs to be challenged all the way to the high court. Even liberal judges could not defend this farce of a concept. Felons do NOT LOSE THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. Once they have served their debt to society its OVER. They are free just as they were before.

14 posted on 03/26/2013 7:13:33 AM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: Iron Munro
Agent Franck said Szaraz espouses beliefs characteristic of sovereign citizen extremists, a movement the FBI categorizes as domestic terrorism. Oklahoma City bombing accomplice Terry Nichols considered himself a sovereign citizen. Subscribers reject the authority of the government and its laws.

It's just a matter of time for conservatism to be outlawed.

15 posted on 03/26/2013 7:15:06 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: coloradan

I disagree with cops and judge on this one. 2nd amendment protects one’s inalienable right in the home. I think the supremes agreed on this nuance of the law already.


16 posted on 03/26/2013 7:16:54 AM PDT by I got the rope
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To: Rennes Templar

Thanks, but here deep inside the eight-lane Death Strip and the Great Firewall of Obama I cannot access Youtube. What is the video?


17 posted on 03/26/2013 7:20:14 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: Iron Munro
order to kill law enforcement when they come to take their weapons away and put them all in FEMA camps," the affidavit states.

How paranoid. This could never happen here < /sarcasm>

18 posted on 03/26/2013 7:24:00 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Old Sarge
Thanks for the amplification. This episode got me thinking about Randy Weaver. His cardinal error was to talk too much to a "friendly, like-minded" guy who turned out to be a federal agent. Before the guy turned on Weaver he invited him to attend some Aryan Nations events, and he foolishly accepted, thus adding to the case against him. He later asked Weaver to cut down a shotgun, and Weaver balked. But it was too late. The rest is history.

To quote Gadalf, "keep it secret, keep it safe."

19 posted on 03/26/2013 7:29:04 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: Iron Munro
OK, so an 'enormous number of weapons' were found. Like what?

Besides the unsubstantiated statements from questionable witnesses and hyperbole from the usual suspects, that is...

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

20 posted on 03/26/2013 7:30:06 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: Iron Munro

I’d like them to define “enormous number” of weapons. Does that include kitchen knives as well? Four Ak’s and a .50 is “enormous”?


21 posted on 03/26/2013 7:30:36 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: from occupied ga
How paranoid. This could never happen here

Funny, I just heard that one again the other day. Some folks are in for a huge shock.

22 posted on 03/26/2013 7:31:00 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: Iron Munro
I did note that the author made it all the way through this article without using the word "Arsenal".

More kudos to the author: "assault weapon" wasn't used either.

23 posted on 03/26/2013 7:33:06 AM PDT by upchuck (Free Republic: faster than a speeding bullet!)
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To: Iron Munro
Weapons were placed strategically by doors and windows "in order to defend his residence," the agent wrote in the affidavit.

Soon to be an all too common and most likely punishable offense.

24 posted on 03/26/2013 7:35:08 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (I love it when spell check selects every single word in my post.)
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To: SkyDancer
A lawyer once told me that more than 2 guns and/or 100 rounds of the same caliber of ammo would be construed by the state to be an "arsenal" at trial. By that standard 5 guns could certinly be an "enormous" weapons cache.

That said, are these people REALLY that clueless? A peek into an average rural granddad's gun cabinet would set these clowns reeling.

25 posted on 03/26/2013 7:37:38 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: precisionshootist
No one would even begin to argue that a felon no longer has his constitutional right to freedom of speech, so how does a felon lose his 2nd amendment rights? The answer could not be clearer. He doesn't

Liberals have been fighting laws in some states that bar convicted felons from regaining their voting rights, claiming it is a violation of their constitutional rights.

But no one has shown any interest in allowing the restoration of 2nd amendment rights.

My personal belief is that once a law breaker has served all of their prison time and parole, and made all required restitution, laws that prevent them from regaining the rights of full citizenship keep them as outcasts and probably contribute to recidivism.

On the one hand, society wants them to become good citizens. On the other hand, society tells them they cannot be full citizens.

It seems there should be a path to restoration of all rights for those who truly leave thier life of crime behind and have fully completed their legally required penance and punishhment.

There is more compassion shown for illegal criminals than for American citizens who have made a mistake, served thier time, and turned their lives around.


26 posted on 03/26/2013 7:43:52 AM PDT by Iron Munro (<blockquote> <p> </blockquote>Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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To: precisionshootist

Look up Lewis v. United States (1980) “This Court has recognized repeatedly that a legislature constitutionally may prohibit a convicted felon from engaging in activities far more fundamental than the possession of a firearm.”


27 posted on 03/26/2013 7:45:39 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: precisionshootist

BTTT!

Something I have been saying for YEARS! If they are so dangerous that they should not have access to a gun, then keep them locked up!

But, once they have paid their debt to society, then they should get ALL of their rights back! If they fail to live up to their constitutional duty to leave others-be, then put them back in jail! DUH!

I agree, this guy, if he can afford it or can get an action group to support him, should appeal this to the highest court and demand that he still has a Constitutional right to protect himself and his loved ones! PERIOD!


28 posted on 03/26/2013 7:47:12 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Iron Munro
The acquaintance reported that Szaraz spoke at length of being a patriot and mistrusting the federal government and law enforcement.

ISzaraz needs to kiss that "acquaintance's a$$

29 posted on 03/26/2013 7:50:52 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: from occupied ga
How paranoid. This could never happen here

Of course not - because there are no "FEMA Camps".

You might be referring to the new "Affordable Health Care Act Re-Habilitation Centers", where those burdened with outdated beliefs causing anti-social behavioral problems can be brought back into the mainstream through the use of the most up to date and progressive techniques of re-education and behavior modification.


30 posted on 03/26/2013 7:57:43 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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To: Iron Munro
"You can't have them," the judge shot back. "It's as simple as that."

Judges are going to be saying that to millions of us soon, if this democrap continues. You can't have them because you're a felon. And you're a felon because you have what you can't have.

31 posted on 03/26/2013 7:58:30 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Iron Munro
Affordable Health Care Act Re-Habilitation Centers

Motto "Arbeit Macht Frei" Sorry, "Work will make you free" complete with showers for the new arrivals.

32 posted on 03/26/2013 8:01:26 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: jboot

Then I really wouldn’t want to say what our family has. Would make local law enforcement blush. And our neighbor up the road has more.


33 posted on 03/26/2013 8:04:51 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: jboot; Old Sarge
I agree 100% with all of these statements, and would add one more:

Be careful what you say and post on social media. Just because you are in a "room" full of like-minded souls, always assume that your words will be read by the authorities.

34 posted on 03/26/2013 8:11:51 AM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: Sender

100% agree. I actually sweat over some of the stuff I have posted here on FR in the past. But the cat is out of the bag, so to speak. When I started posting here we were all living in a different country. Things change. Learn from my mistakes.


35 posted on 03/26/2013 8:31:18 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: Iron Munro

“You can’t have them,” the judge shot back. “It’s as simple as that.”

so the Judge opined as he gently caressed his P40 in his holster strapped to his left thigh.. in his right hand, his Ping putter slowly spun..

there is no out of bounds except when the left chooses to use it to their advantage.


36 posted on 03/26/2013 8:36:38 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Old Sarge
“A man who lives on a tree farm in Pasco County recently answered his door wearing body armor, with a .45-caliber handgun strapped to his chest. He alarmed an acquaintance, the FBI alleges, by talking about killing law enforcement officers.”

To learn a lesson from this, forget for a moment he is a felon. I expect he told the acquaintance IF the govn. came to take his weapons, he wouldn't turn them over which means he would fight them. Freepers say they aren't giving up their guns so that's close to the same thing. However, saying it in “real life” to an acquaintance who doesn't know you well, is foolish. Also, going to the door dressed like Rambo, is foolish. He shouldn't have answered the door.

I was in my Walmart yesterday to get a target to use with my Walther pellet gun (the kind of target that captures the pellets) and the shelves for ammo were bare except for a few boxes of whatever. I asked the clerk if she had any 22 lr hollow points, and she laughed.

I got the metal target thingy, plus some zombie paper targets to attach to the unit. Practicing hitting a target with any type gun is good practice. This pellet gun also fires BBs, and I was looking for the BB target (with picture of zombies on it) that captures the BBs on the target, then the BBs slowly slide down the target to the bottom to be collected and used again. They didn't have that so will get one from Amazon.

37 posted on 03/26/2013 8:53:31 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Old Sarge
1st Rule of Prep Club: You do not talk about Prep Club.

2nd Rule of Prep Club: You DO NOT talk about Prep Club.


Without a doubt.

That's why I appreciate being able to get information via FR anonymously. I can ask questions here and divulge a tad of what I'm doing and planning, but remain unknown (unless I chose to let someone know my identity). This is an awesome resource!
38 posted on 03/26/2013 10:41:47 AM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: Iron Munro

But but but how did he have guns? Didn’t he know they were illegal for him to own?

This doesn’t make sense... a criminal that doesn’t care about laws? Hellyousay!!!


39 posted on 03/26/2013 12:41:36 PM PDT by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong!!)
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To: envisio
This doesn’t make sense... a criminal that doesn’t care about laws?

Look at it this way....

If laws worked Barack Obama would still be an illegal alien from Indochina with a bogus Connecticut Social Security card, working as a Community Organizer in Chicago and scamming little old black ladies out of their government handouts.

Instead, he's an illegal alien from Indochina with a bogus Connecticut Social Security card, working as a an American President in Washington, DC and scamming little old white ladies out of their savings.


40 posted on 03/26/2013 1:59:55 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
Look up Lewis v. United States (1980) “This Court has recognized repeatedly that a legislature constitutionally may prohibit a convicted felon from engaging in activities far more fundamental than the possession of a firearm.” ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is this the same court that says obamacare is constitutional?

I'm sorry but the supreme court has become a farce. I just wonder in what part of the Constitution did they find where the legislature has the power to "prohibit" Constitutional rights that the founders made as clear as could be put into words that the source of these rights was OUR CREATOR and NOT government. A legislature cannot take away rights that come from god.

If that were true, and it's not, then government can simply make more and more acts "felonies" and thus "prohibit" anyone and everyones Constitutional rights.

Wait a minute.....that's EXCATLY what's happening now.

41 posted on 03/26/2013 10:23:36 PM PDT by precisionshootist
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