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Most Over Rated Musician

Posted on 04/05/2013 7:20:30 PM PDT by MNDude

There are a lot of lousy musicians that are a lot more popular than they deserve, but in you opinion, who are the three most over rated musicians (or groups) of all time?


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To: Salamander

““Night Moves” is as close to time travel as I’ll ever come.”

For you and Millions of others in our age group.

“Hollywood Nights” is also a great song.


551 posted on 04/06/2013 10:11:08 AM PDT by Rodney Dangerfield ("I can see unhinged liberal media madness from my house!")
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To: kabumpo; Revolting cat!

Some names off the top of my head:

Charles Bradley (the screaming eagle of soul, a little over the top for my tastes but a good show)
Lee Fields
James Hunter
Sharon Jones
Renaldo Domino
Black Joe Lewis and the Honeybears
Not all of these are on Daptone or Desco Records.

There are more out there, consider this a starting place (and a number of these play the nightclub and festival circuits).


552 posted on 04/06/2013 10:11:11 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Lakeshark
Klaus Nomi

Is that where Marilyn Munster got his look from?

553 posted on 04/06/2013 10:14:56 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Salamander
“Night Moves” is as close to time travel as I’ll ever come.

"Main Street" ain't half bad in that respect also.............Back in the day :)

554 posted on 04/06/2013 10:18:19 AM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: Fiji Hill; Revolting cat!
U2? Sounds like a Soviet warplane

The letter U and the numeral 2. Nobody gives a diddley squat! (to quote Casey Kasem)

555 posted on 04/06/2013 10:29:02 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Revolting cat!
And who ever heard of Willy DeVille, of Marshall Crenshaw, of Marti Jones and Don Dixon?

Donna Dixon used to be hot.

556 posted on 04/06/2013 10:32:46 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: MNDude

Without a doubt:
Bob Dylan
Springsteen
U2


557 posted on 04/06/2013 10:34:40 AM PDT by slouper
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To: South40; Revolting cat!
I think that it's rather telling that apart from U2, Nirvana, Bruuuce, and maybe Led Zeppelin, none of the artists listed on this thread have had an album in the top 40 in the past 30 years.

Does this mean that no one who's come along since 1984 is overrated? Or are there just so many overrated nu-acts that it is impossible to list them all? Or are FReepers just being overly focused on the music they heard growing up and being completely out of touch with all of the overrated drek that has come out ever since that day?

I'd stake just about any band that ever won a Grammy as being far overrated in comparison to other acts that released albums in those years.

And just to stoke the fire, Winchester Cathedral won out for Grammy over the Beatles’ Yesterday. People may not like the Beatles but I haven't found anyone to hold up that bit of vo-di-oh-do music as great songwriting.

558 posted on 04/06/2013 10:39:49 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: DManA; Revolting cat!
If there is a free market anywhere in America it’s in music. People listen to what they want to listen to.

You're joking right?

The mob virtually ran the music business in the 1950s and 1960s. Jukebox trade, labels, payola, the whole deal and had the muscle for enforcement.

Payola didn't end with the diminishing control from the mob. Tommy Shaw said that Styx' "Lady" was sold to radio stations with a trail of cocaine and the corporate suits who determined the playlists (and still do) were called penguins because of the way they followed "snow".

People are free to buy whatever they want, true. But the facetime in magazines, tv, radio, and even hyped on the web through blogs is often funded by the Hollywood hype machine (paid bloggers have been exposed, Sony and others used them). You are effectively shut out from exposure.

ASCAP wouldn't publish race/R&B recordings, hillbilly/western recordings, or the hybrid of the two known as "rock and roll". ASCAP tried to effectively force such music from the marketplace. But BMI would. And stations were willing to play it plus there were clear channel (lower case 'c's) that could be heard across the country. Maybe your community wouldn't play it but a station in another state or even Mexico might.

Eventually the stores were flooded with demands for such recordings and ASCAP blamed the change in market demand on "payola" (which had existed for decades and still exists in radio and elsewhere).

Overall tracked sales are down. If you aren't a soundscan store or don't push enough units to chart, you "don't exist" in the music industry's tally. Yet there are more names in the game than ever before. Smaller piece of the pie for everyone. Plus all of the untracked USED CD and LP sales.

If people think that POLITICAL perspective is not balanced in the media, then wait until you get to examining the way they push music on the low information listeners.

559 posted on 04/06/2013 10:52:05 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise
Black Joe Lewis and the Honeybears

LOVE them. Michael Kiwanuka is someone I just discovered recently and I can't stop listening to his album. He has sort of an old school 60's/70's soul or R & B sound, although he does a lot of singer/songwriter type stuff, too.

Tell Me a Tale"

Always Waiting - a very touching and haunting video.

560 posted on 04/06/2013 10:52:19 AM PDT by retrokitten
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To: Barnacle; Revolting cat!
Many years ago, a friend said to me, "Dylan writes a lot of his songs sitting on the toilet." To which I replied, "Too often, he forgot to flush."

"Bob Dylan's dream"


561 posted on 04/06/2013 10:55:02 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Boogieman

Wow. That was really revealing. I should have known a bunch of Brits could not have written “When the Levee Breaks.” And they stole from Joan Baez? How did they get away with that? And the guitar riff from Stairway to Heaven. I can’t believe they didn’t credit any of these artists. That’s rotten.


562 posted on 04/06/2013 10:56:35 AM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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To: a fool in paradise

“The Sex Pistols were a manufactured band as well, a selling point being they couldn’t play their instruments.”

Considering he hadn’t been playing for very long when they recorded Never Mind the Bollocks, Steve Jones was not a bad guitarist. Glen Matlock was a decent musician, but he got the boot in part because he liked stuff like the Beatles.

Sid Vicious was so bad that the band frequently turned off his amp during shows, and according to Jones there are maybe three or four notes of Sid’s bass playing on Never Mind the Bollocks. Jones played bass on most of the album; Matlock played it on “Anarchy In The UK.” If you don’t have enough musical ability to play bass in a punk band, you’ve gotta be pretty hopeless...


563 posted on 04/06/2013 10:58:31 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (I'll stop being a cynic when the world stops giving me reasons to be cynical.)
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To: a fool in paradise

It’s pretty sad that most of what passes for soul music these days has no soul to speak of...


564 posted on 04/06/2013 10:59:35 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (I'll stop being a cynic when the world stops giving me reasons to be cynical.)
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To: MNDude

Yoko Ono


565 posted on 04/06/2013 11:04:57 AM PDT by Cooter
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To: svcw

Stop this wedding at all costs.


566 posted on 04/06/2013 11:10:07 AM PDT by Sloth (Rather than a lesser Evil, I voted for Goode.)
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To: a fool in paradise
or even Mexico might.

I heard it on The X.

567 posted on 04/06/2013 11:14:48 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: kelly4c; Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows
I think Barry White’s music is good for what it is but I do think he’s overrated. I mean, apparently his voice/music is seen as a guarantee of getting one in the mood which I just don’t really see.

Barry White's music gets me in the mood for doin' the banana split!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wu00bls364

568 posted on 04/06/2013 11:26:06 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: ResponseAbility; a fool in paradise
****If “Dylan can’t sing” y’all, then you oughta lissen to Ivan, who can!****

Post a youtube mate.

Traditional Russian song

(Sorry about the delay, my mouse ran out of juice last night, drug stores were closed, and I don't know how to drive without it.)

569 posted on 04/06/2013 11:31:17 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: MNDude; a fool in paradise

I look forward to warm and cozy Hades where I’ll sit comfortably listening to Bob Dylan, while the “Dylan can’t sing” crowd is stuck in Heaven listening 24x7 for eternity to Heino who CAN sing!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sJxxikKk8Q


570 posted on 04/06/2013 11:34:53 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!
I look forward to warm and cozy Hades where I’ll sit comfortably listening to Bob Dylan, while the “Dylan can’t sing” crowd is stuck in Heaven listening 24x7 for eternity to Heino who CAN sing!

I guess they'll be knock knock knockin' on Heaven's door.

571 posted on 04/06/2013 11:37:30 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Salamander

“Van Morrison.”

Oh no you didit.


572 posted on 04/06/2013 11:37:40 AM PDT by Dysart ( Democracy is the road to socialism-- Karl Marx)
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To: GSWarrior
My three overrated bands would be Yes, Green Day and Sting.

'Allo Gordo.

Excuse me, I prefer if you call me "Sting" from now on.

Aye, you've gone off your bleedin' rocker, Gordo.

573 posted on 04/06/2013 11:39:39 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: a fool in paradise

Nothing to add, except to admit that I have a brief first hand experience with the mob and the jukeboxes.

What we are seeing now are the beginnings of a truly free market in the music industry, that is to say outside the mainstream music industry, where the artists manufacture and distribute their own recordings, whether hard copy CDs or downloadable files, that Apple or Amazon stores for them. There is so much good music out there if you look.

I think I mentioned the excellent British band Phat Bollard that supports itself by busking, and pays little attention to CD sales, except those they sell on the street. One reviewer compared them favorably to the mainstream Mumford and Sons. In the past year I’ve discovered a couple of dozen others like them, all through Al Gore’s invention.


574 posted on 04/06/2013 11:44:36 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
Possibly the most under rated band/musician ever: The Brandos

Way back in '87, they got some minor play on MTV with:

Gettysburg

Some people thought David Kincaid was the next John Fogerty. Then they couldn't find an American record label that wasn't out to screw them so they signed with a minor European label that gave them a lot more freedom.

No slick studio productions. They sound just as good live in a small venue as they do on CD or in a concert hall...

The Keeper

Tell Her That I Love Her

Lead singer David Kincaid is incredibly versatile and is equally at home at a Celtic Folk Festival:

My Father's Gun

as he is in a Civil War music ensemble:

Free and Green

I'm not aware of the Brandos ever having trashed any hotel rooms or choking to death on their own vomit, so they may not be as reknowned rockers as Led Zep, but under rated?

Hell yeah.

575 posted on 04/06/2013 12:05:12 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Rocky

Well, they didn’t really get away with it. They’ve been sued several times over these things, and I think they’ve either lost or settled all the cases, having to pay the artists off retroactively.


576 posted on 04/06/2013 12:19:43 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

McLaren tried to sign another punk band that could play, Cock Sparrer, before he decided to put together the Pistols. They told him to “p*** off” because he wouldn’t buy the drinks at their contract negotiation, held in a local pub.

Lydon & Rotten just wanted to be famous, so they were probably more compliant :)


577 posted on 04/06/2013 12:34:16 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: MNDude

Frank Sinatra, The Who, and Stevie Wonder


578 posted on 04/06/2013 12:35:47 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: FreedomPoster; Salamander
It's rare because the music has to be even more infused in the soul of the musician covering the tune than it was in the composer. How can that ever happen? Yet it does...

All Along the Watchtower is the example that jumps most quickly to mind, although by an odd perhaps (not) coincidence, a very old folk song Dylan revived for the Rock Era in 1961, called The House of the Rising Sun has subsequently been done better by everyone else; The Animals, Frijid Pink had the most commercial success with it. I think just about every folksinger in the 30's and 40's tried his/her hand at it, certainly everyone in Woody Guthrie's circle did before Dylan came along. My favorite rendition currently belongs to Leslie West. It is also the most recent major label version I'm aware of.

579 posted on 04/06/2013 12:38:47 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Which, sadly, Duane did not get to live to see.)
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To: willgolfforfood
Pink Floyd - the most pretentious crap sold to Man.

Ahhhh, that'd be the Moody Blues, imo.

580 posted on 04/06/2013 12:42:12 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: MNDude
1) The Beatles, hands down. The very model of talentless commercialism. Four Liverpudlian hacks with a good agent.

2) Elvis Presley. Decent enough singer but not good enough to be "The King."

3) Jimi Hendrix. Heckuva guitar player, couldn't carry a tune in a bushel basket. And drowned in his own vomit. I mean c'mon ...

(Dis)honorable mention to Elton John, Madonna, and ALL (c)rappers.

And as a musician, Bob Dylan. As a poet, probably none better. But that VOICE ... A razor blade for the ears ...

581 posted on 04/06/2013 12:44:39 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Joe 6-pack

For underrated 80’s bands, I have to go with the Blasters. Pretty simple rock n roll band, but they wrote a lot of great tunes, and they could play real American rock, rhythm & blues, country, boogie woogie, gospel, any of those styles like nobody’s business. The Stray Cats got the MTV rotation, because they had a pretty lead singer, but the Blasters did their schtick ten times better.


582 posted on 04/06/2013 12:46:31 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
For underrated 80’s bands, I have to go with the Blasters.

I'd pick The Smithereens.

583 posted on 04/06/2013 12:47:59 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: IronJack

You realize that had it not been for The Beatles, a lot of those other bands would not have existed....there are so many musicians that have stated that it was The Beatles that got them interested into becoming musicians themselves.


584 posted on 04/06/2013 12:50:36 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: FredZarguna

The Animals nailed it. Second for me is Leadbelly’s cover, but only his version with the kind of ragtimey walking rhythm.


585 posted on 04/06/2013 12:56:17 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Mad Dawgg
Never Cared much for Joplin though I did like a couple of songs. Grace Slick impressed me more. I heard her Live once and she had the most piercing loud voice of any female singer ever.

Have to agree with you about Joplin. She had ... something ... but I'm not sure it was musical talent. And I heard Grace Slick years ago. She blew my hat off in the 138th row.

586 posted on 04/06/2013 1:21:50 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: MNDude; a fool in paradise

Rule of thumb: (Jeez, it took almost 600 posts to get to it?!) Overrated - all the musicians my enemies listen to!


587 posted on 04/06/2013 1:22:51 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Salamander
I was the oddball.

I remember you, you were the one listening to the industrial noise rock!

588 posted on 04/06/2013 1:24:25 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: kelly4c
But then they also sang Dust in the wind right?

Wrong. "Dust in the Wind" was Kansas.

589 posted on 04/06/2013 1:28:40 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: MNDude; a fool in paradise

One dude who could really, I mean REALLY sing, unlike Bob Dylan, who, remember “can’t sing!”, was Richard Harris. Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WHx0B90FUc


590 posted on 04/06/2013 1:28:47 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Salamander
When I hit port over in the Med I'd be walking down the streets and either Night Moves or Mainstreet would be playing in the clubs and you'd hear it out on the streets. A taste of the USA very welcomed to the ears back then. Mow though Against The Wind is my favorite song. I got floor seats about 5 rows back to see Bob Seger back in the early 1980's. One of the best concerts I ever went too. The Eagles in the late 1970's was another but I just don't remember too much about that one LOL.
591 posted on 04/06/2013 1:29:59 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: MNDude; a fool in paradise

One thing for sure, Shirley, you’re an overrated musician if you sell a single copy of an album recording your playing rock on a flute standing on one leg!


592 posted on 04/06/2013 1:31:27 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Salamander
I was the oddball.

Wow. You've really changed.

593 posted on 04/06/2013 1:34:06 PM PDT by Dysart ( Democracy is the road to socialism-- Karl Marx)
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To: SeminoleCounty

Yoko Ono is the sound two chalkboards make while mating.


594 posted on 04/06/2013 1:36:16 PM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.....)
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To: MNDude

BB King.


595 posted on 04/06/2013 1:37:31 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: dfwgator
You realize that had it not been for The Beatles, a lot of those other bands would not have existed

And that's bad why?

596 posted on 04/06/2013 1:42:09 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: a fool in paradise

U2 could also be the name of a German submarine.


597 posted on 04/06/2013 2:30:50 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: Fiji Hill; a fool in paradise

U2, Brutus?!


598 posted on 04/06/2013 2:32:17 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: y'all
One who was not overrated was Don Williams who observed in his unmistakable baritone dulcet tones:

The smell of cape jasmine through the window screen John R. and the Wolfman kept me company By the light of the radio by my bed with Thomas Wolfe whispering in my head

599 posted on 04/06/2013 3:43:51 PM PDT by Dysart ( Democracy is the road to socialism-- Karl Marx)
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To: y'all
And no more fitting climax to a 600 post thread than my favorite verse-

I can still hear the soft southern winds in [my] live oak trees And those Williams boys, they still mean a lot to me Hank and Tennessee I guess we're all gonna be what we're gonna be So what do you do with good ole boys like me?

I tell you what you don't do, you don't forsake the gentle giant when discussing shoulders who others have stood on to reach their own pinnacles.

600 replies. My work is done here.

600 posted on 04/06/2013 3:52:34 PM PDT by Dysart ( Democracy is the road to socialism-- Karl Marx)
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