Skip to comments.Most Over Rated Musician
Posted on 04/05/2013 7:20:30 PM PDT by MNDude
There are a lot of lousy musicians that are a lot more popular than they deserve, but in you opinion, who are the three most over rated musicians (or groups) of all time?
“Night Moves is as close to time travel as Ill ever come.”
For you and Millions of others in our age group.
“Hollywood Nights” is also a great song.
Some names off the top of my head:
Charles Bradley (the screaming eagle of soul, a little over the top for my tastes but a good show)
Black Joe Lewis and the Honeybears
Not all of these are on Daptone or Desco Records.
There are more out there, consider this a starting place (and a number of these play the nightclub and festival circuits).
Is that where Marilyn Munster got his look from?
"Main Street" ain't half bad in that respect also.............Back in the day :)
The letter U and the numeral 2. Nobody gives a diddley squat! (to quote Casey Kasem)
Donna Dixon used to be hot.
Without a doubt:
Does this mean that no one who's come along since 1984 is overrated? Or are there just so many overrated nu-acts that it is impossible to list them all? Or are FReepers just being overly focused on the music they heard growing up and being completely out of touch with all of the overrated drek that has come out ever since that day?
I'd stake just about any band that ever won a Grammy as being far overrated in comparison to other acts that released albums in those years.
And just to stoke the fire, Winchester Cathedral won out for Grammy over the Beatles’ Yesterday. People may not like the Beatles but I haven't found anyone to hold up that bit of vo-di-oh-do music as great songwriting.
You're joking right?
The mob virtually ran the music business in the 1950s and 1960s. Jukebox trade, labels, payola, the whole deal and had the muscle for enforcement.
Payola didn't end with the diminishing control from the mob. Tommy Shaw said that Styx' "Lady" was sold to radio stations with a trail of cocaine and the corporate suits who determined the playlists (and still do) were called penguins because of the way they followed "snow".
People are free to buy whatever they want, true. But the facetime in magazines, tv, radio, and even hyped on the web through blogs is often funded by the Hollywood hype machine (paid bloggers have been exposed, Sony and others used them). You are effectively shut out from exposure.
ASCAP wouldn't publish race/R&B recordings, hillbilly/western recordings, or the hybrid of the two known as "rock and roll". ASCAP tried to effectively force such music from the marketplace. But BMI would. And stations were willing to play it plus there were clear channel (lower case 'c's) that could be heard across the country. Maybe your community wouldn't play it but a station in another state or even Mexico might.
Eventually the stores were flooded with demands for such recordings and ASCAP blamed the change in market demand on "payola" (which had existed for decades and still exists in radio and elsewhere).
Overall tracked sales are down. If you aren't a soundscan store or don't push enough units to chart, you "don't exist" in the music industry's tally. Yet there are more names in the game than ever before. Smaller piece of the pie for everyone. Plus all of the untracked USED CD and LP sales.
If people think that POLITICAL perspective is not balanced in the media, then wait until you get to examining the way they push music on the low information listeners.
LOVE them. Michael Kiwanuka is someone I just discovered recently and I can't stop listening to his album. He has sort of an old school 60's/70's soul or R & B sound, although he does a lot of singer/songwriter type stuff, too.
Always Waiting - a very touching and haunting video.
"Bob Dylan's dream"
Wow. That was really revealing. I should have known a bunch of Brits could not have written “When the Levee Breaks.” And they stole from Joan Baez? How did they get away with that? And the guitar riff from Stairway to Heaven. I can’t believe they didn’t credit any of these artists. That’s rotten.
“The Sex Pistols were a manufactured band as well, a selling point being they couldnt play their instruments.”
Considering he hadn’t been playing for very long when they recorded Never Mind the Bollocks, Steve Jones was not a bad guitarist. Glen Matlock was a decent musician, but he got the boot in part because he liked stuff like the Beatles.
Sid Vicious was so bad that the band frequently turned off his amp during shows, and according to Jones there are maybe three or four notes of Sid’s bass playing on Never Mind the Bollocks. Jones played bass on most of the album; Matlock played it on “Anarchy In The UK.” If you don’t have enough musical ability to play bass in a punk band, you’ve gotta be pretty hopeless...
It’s pretty sad that most of what passes for soul music these days has no soul to speak of...
Stop this wedding at all costs.
I heard it on The X.
Barry White's music gets me in the mood for doin' the banana split!
Post a youtube mate.
(Sorry about the delay, my mouse ran out of juice last night, drug stores were closed, and I don't know how to drive without it.)
I look forward to warm and cozy Hades where I’ll sit comfortably listening to Bob Dylan, while the “Dylan can’t sing” crowd is stuck in Heaven listening 24x7 for eternity to Heino who CAN sing!
I guess they'll be knock knock knockin' on Heaven's door.
Oh no you didit.
Excuse me, I prefer if you call me "Sting" from now on.
Aye, you've gone off your bleedin' rocker, Gordo.
Nothing to add, except to admit that I have a brief first hand experience with the mob and the jukeboxes.
What we are seeing now are the beginnings of a truly free market in the music industry, that is to say outside the mainstream music industry, where the artists manufacture and distribute their own recordings, whether hard copy CDs or downloadable files, that Apple or Amazon stores for them. There is so much good music out there if you look.
I think I mentioned the excellent British band Phat Bollard that supports itself by busking, and pays little attention to CD sales, except those they sell on the street. One reviewer compared them favorably to the mainstream Mumford and Sons. In the past year I’ve discovered a couple of dozen others like them, all through Al Gore’s invention.
Way back in '87, they got some minor play on MTV with:
Some people thought David Kincaid was the next John Fogerty. Then they couldn't find an American record label that wasn't out to screw them so they signed with a minor European label that gave them a lot more freedom.
No slick studio productions. They sound just as good live in a small venue as they do on CD or in a concert hall...
Lead singer David Kincaid is incredibly versatile and is equally at home at a Celtic Folk Festival:
as he is in a Civil War music ensemble:
I'm not aware of the Brandos ever having trashed any hotel rooms or choking to death on their own vomit, so they may not be as reknowned rockers as Led Zep, but under rated?
Well, they didn’t really get away with it. They’ve been sued several times over these things, and I think they’ve either lost or settled all the cases, having to pay the artists off retroactively.
McLaren tried to sign another punk band that could play, Cock Sparrer, before he decided to put together the Pistols. They told him to “p*** off” because he wouldn’t buy the drinks at their contract negotiation, held in a local pub.
Lydon & Rotten just wanted to be famous, so they were probably more compliant :)
Frank Sinatra, The Who, and Stevie Wonder
All Along the Watchtower is the example that jumps most quickly to mind, although by an odd perhaps (not) coincidence, a very old folk song Dylan revived for the Rock Era in 1961, called The House of the Rising Sun has subsequently been done better by everyone else; The Animals, Frijid Pink had the most commercial success with it. I think just about every folksinger in the 30's and 40's tried his/her hand at it, certainly everyone in Woody Guthrie's circle did before Dylan came along. My favorite rendition currently belongs to Leslie West. It is also the most recent major label version I'm aware of.
Ahhhh, that'd be the Moody Blues, imo.
2) Elvis Presley. Decent enough singer but not good enough to be "The King."
3) Jimi Hendrix. Heckuva guitar player, couldn't carry a tune in a bushel basket. And drowned in his own vomit. I mean c'mon ...
(Dis)honorable mention to Elton John, Madonna, and ALL (c)rappers.
And as a musician, Bob Dylan. As a poet, probably none better. But that VOICE ... A razor blade for the ears ...
For underrated 80’s bands, I have to go with the Blasters. Pretty simple rock n roll band, but they wrote a lot of great tunes, and they could play real American rock, rhythm & blues, country, boogie woogie, gospel, any of those styles like nobody’s business. The Stray Cats got the MTV rotation, because they had a pretty lead singer, but the Blasters did their schtick ten times better.
I'd pick The Smithereens.
You realize that had it not been for The Beatles, a lot of those other bands would not have existed....there are so many musicians that have stated that it was The Beatles that got them interested into becoming musicians themselves.
The Animals nailed it. Second for me is Leadbelly’s cover, but only his version with the kind of ragtimey walking rhythm.
Have to agree with you about Joplin. She had ... something ... but I'm not sure it was musical talent. And I heard Grace Slick years ago. She blew my hat off in the 138th row.
Rule of thumb: (Jeez, it took almost 600 posts to get to it?!) Overrated - all the musicians my enemies listen to!
I remember you, you were the one listening to the industrial noise rock!
Wrong. "Dust in the Wind" was Kansas.
One dude who could really, I mean REALLY sing, unlike Bob Dylan, who, remember “can’t sing!”, was Richard Harris. Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WHx0B90FUc
One thing for sure, Shirley, you’re an overrated musician if you sell a single copy of an album recording your playing rock on a flute standing on one leg!
Wow. You've really changed.
Yoko Ono is the sound two chalkboards make while mating.
And that's bad why?
U2 could also be the name of a German submarine.
The smell of cape jasmine through the window screen John R. and the Wolfman kept me company By the light of the radio by my bed with Thomas Wolfe whispering in my head
I can still hear the soft southern winds in [my] live oak trees And those Williams boys, they still mean a lot to me Hank and Tennessee I guess we're all gonna be what we're gonna be So what do you do with good ole boys like me?
I tell you what you don't do, you don't forsake the gentle giant when discussing shoulders who others have stood on to reach their own pinnacles.
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