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Shelter In Place (vanity)

Posted on 04/20/2013 10:35:31 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin

In light of recent events in Boston I believe this should have implications on the raging gun control debate. The city issued a Shelter in Place order. This affected upwards of a million people. Now think about that. A definate bad guy is on the run with a massive police search going on to eliminate this menace to society. I have no bones about issuing the shelter in place order as people mulling around would complicated the search. I do have a problem with the people that would have you set there totally defensless at the mercy of events.

It is not credible to think that if this guy had come storming into someones house that the police would be able to get there in time to protect you. A best case scenario would be you would be taken hostage. I would love to see a poll of the greater Boston area today asking people if they would feel safer with a gun in thier home. The people that didn't have one still benefited from the bad guy not knowing if he kicked a door in if someone would be sitting there with gun in hand. I'm pretty sure that the people who owned guns were armed during this nightmare.

Now I think everyone should call their Senators and Congressmen and ask them "would you have felt safer being armed in a situation like this"


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KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; guns; secondamendment

1 posted on 04/20/2013 10:35:31 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

“Shelter in Place” is no different from the “Freeze” desensitization order issued by the TSA. Now the public is expected to “Freeze” over vast areas that are not even part of the search. Even public transit is halted. It’s sort of a mini martial law without the legal support. The other part of the Shelter in Place was the door-to-door searches by law enforcement. Imagine if that happened in your neighborhood. Would you welcome the SWAT team into your home? Maybe next time the authorities would pull a Shelter in Place for less dangerous reasons, like rounding up illegal firearms.


2 posted on 04/20/2013 10:43:48 AM PDT by Honcho Bongs (Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. - Churchill)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
When seconds count the police take hours, even if there are 2,000-3,000 of them. People need to be armed. In my area I would be expected to evacuate because of forest fire. Look how many years it took to catch the guy in Utah that broke into cabins for a living or Dorner.
3 posted on 04/20/2013 10:44:08 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

I don’t think I have ever seen such an overreaction in my life.

A whole multi-million person city shut down to catch 2 guys?

Up there with shutting a freeway down for 10 hours after a fatal accident.


4 posted on 04/20/2013 10:47:25 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (LBJ declared war on poverty and lost. Barack Obama declared war on prosperity and won. /csmusaret)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
This incident is making many American people rethink the liberal orchestrated gun grabbing debate. Obama's Sandy Hook "Never let a good crisis go to waste opportunity" just got trumped by Muslim terrorists.

Tragedies should never be used for political agenda...it only belittles the sufferings of the victims and the people who care for them.


5 posted on 04/20/2013 10:48:06 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

>> I do have a problem with the people that would have you set there totally defenseless at the mercy of events.

You are only defenseless by your own choosing.


6 posted on 04/20/2013 10:48:17 AM PDT by Nonsense Unlimited
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

My Senator would tell me: “I feel fine, I have a gun myself, and you pay for my armed Federal and city officers 24 hours a day. It’s a pity you can’t have one yourself, but you have to matter to get one, and you don’t. I hope I can count on your vote next election.”


7 posted on 04/20/2013 10:51:25 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

It wasn’t a legally binding order. For example some civilians opened restaurants to provide the police with coffee. It was just a strong suggestion.

That said, I would have abided the order. But the. I’m (back) in Texas, so I and my neighbors are all well armed.


8 posted on 04/20/2013 10:53:08 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Nonsense Unlimited

Congress has been debating this recently. I’m going to ask mine to reconsider their positions. Being from California their positions would be to make a criminal out if anyone who wanted more than “911” for defense.


9 posted on 04/20/2013 10:53:48 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Obama is the Chicken Little of politics)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

FK dat.

I’d carry and go on about my business...


10 posted on 04/20/2013 10:57:23 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: piytar

I didn’t really have a problem with the order/suggestion. I do think this is going to change the gun control debate.


11 posted on 04/20/2013 10:57:25 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Obama is the Chicken Little of politics)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

OH YEAH!!

Thank you MSM for days on end showing terrified citizens huddled in their houses while a violent Madman is roaming and the police have no cue where he is! MSM was the best media PR for 2nd Amendment rights since ...well, since never before!


12 posted on 04/20/2013 11:02:01 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: piytar

It’s illustrative to consider what a “shelter-in-place” might look like in two different cites, let’s say Boston and DFW.

To the perps, Boston would look like a lot of potential hideouts because very few people are armed. DFW would look like like a bunch of potential booby-traps with a shotgun blast waiting behind every door.


13 posted on 04/20/2013 11:03:20 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

>> Congress has been debating this recently. I’m going to ask mine to reconsider their positions. Being from California their positions would be to make a criminal out if anyone who wanted more than “911” for defense.

If the act of protecting myself and my family makes me a criminal, then so be it.


14 posted on 04/20/2013 11:06:26 AM PDT by Nonsense Unlimited
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To: Cyber Liberty

I’m in a small town in northern California and I would guess he would have a 90% chance of an armed welcome here also.


15 posted on 04/20/2013 11:11:46 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Obama is the Chicken Little of politics)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

If nothing else, it was certainly an eye-opener as to how “city-folk” respond to “suggested” martial law.

Now imagine a compete military/LEO shutdown of undetermined duration.

Unarmed and unprepared, people will literally starve to death, or be murdered in their own homes.

Normalcy bias plus brainwashed MSM conditioning...a very bad mix.

This country is even more effed up than I thought, and perhaps the writers of books such as “One Second After” were entirely too optimistic.

Time to up the preps and lower the online profiles, FRiends.


16 posted on 04/20/2013 11:14:05 AM PDT by LadyBuck (Strangeways, here we come....)
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To: piytar

The. should the then... Got iPhoned.


17 posted on 04/20/2013 11:14:14 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

I concur 100%!


18 posted on 04/20/2013 11:15:23 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Small town California is a lot more like Texas than LA or San Francisco...


19 posted on 04/20/2013 11:16:58 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
"I didn’t really have a problem with the order/suggestion. I do think this is going to change the gun control debate."

What about when the SWAT team shows up at your front door for a search without a warrant? What happens if you refuse? What happens if you agree and they do more than they say? What information did they gather extraneous to searching for the terrorists?

20 posted on 04/20/2013 11:32:12 AM PDT by Truth29
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” What about when the SWAT team shows up at your front door for a search without a warrant? What happens if you refuse? What happens if you agree and they do more than they say? What information did they gather extraneous to searching for the terrorists?”

Good questions that I don’t have all the answers to but I do know that disarming all the law. abiding citizens is not the answer.


21 posted on 04/20/2013 11:39:14 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Obama is the Chicken Little of politics)
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To: Honcho Bongs
Would you welcome the SWAT team into your home?

That's what many are asking themselves. I can see asking that people stay indoors for their own safety and so the cops can canvas the neighborhood. Letting them in my house.... that is a slippery slope. Will they be coming back to confiscate x,y,z they saw that I had? Will they plant something illegal and frame me later? If we become immune to letting them in without warrants in emergency situations then will they think they can come in any time they wish without reason and during non-emergency situations. Who defines a what an emergency is?

22 posted on 04/20/2013 11:42:36 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
"Shelter in place" means crawl under your bed and whimper when the government has banned all means of effective self defense for you.

This episode might well have turned into a hostage holding situation and even more deaths had things gone differently.

I suspect a lot of Massachusetts gun haters are reconsidering things today, will be if they have any sense, anyway.

23 posted on 04/20/2013 11:46:50 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

I am curious how many people are being punished for violation of the “Shelter-in-Place” order.


24 posted on 04/20/2013 11:47:22 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

” I suspect a lot of Massachusetts gun haters are reconsidering things today, will be if they have any sense, anyway.”

I certainly hope so. And I hope it’s a lot more than just Massachusetts.


25 posted on 04/20/2013 11:51:35 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Obama is the Chicken Little of politics)
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To: Honcho Bongs
Maybe next time the authorities would pull a Shelter in Place for less dangerous reasons, like rounding up illegal firearms.

That has been on my mind too. The 4th and 5th Amendments seem to be all but dead now. Hopefully a significant percentage of the population would consider a "Shelter In Place" order for gun confiscation to be a more dangerous reason and immediately take action to make it more dangerous. By an order of magnitude.

26 posted on 04/20/2013 1:11:39 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: TigersEye

Orin Kerr over at The Volokh Conspiracy started a discussion about this

House-to-House Searches and the Fourth Amendment
http://www.volokh.com/2013/04/19/house-to-house-searches-and-the-fourth-amendment/


27 posted on 04/20/2013 4:34:56 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Obama is the Chicken Little of politics)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Look at it from the government’s point of view:
They can get a whole lot more money to do it this way!
Once disarmament of the populace is accepted then the taxes to pay for this kind of operation are obviously neccessary.

I bet Mass. eventually gets federal dollars- from the rest of us- for this fiasco of a response.


28 posted on 04/20/2013 4:43:48 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
Thanks for the link to that. I just found The Volokh Conspiracy to other day doing research on the Manchin-Toomey Treason Bill. I'll have to bookmark their site and visit it more often.

The “Pro-Gun” Provisions of Manchin-Toomey are Actually a Bonanza of Gun Control

You probably saw it already.

29 posted on 04/20/2013 4:50:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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