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Why Are So Many Dogs Being Shot by Police?
Pets Adviser ^ | May 6, 2013 | Pets Adviser

Posted on 05/25/2013 9:31:15 PM PDT by Altariel

On a chilly night in late February in Fishers, Ind., Patricia McConnell was taking her daughter’s 7-year-old, 20-pound terrier mix, Reese, out for a midnight potty.

Reese was harnessed and on a retractable leash, but as she bounded ahead around a corner, the dog saw a neighbor and started to bark. Unfortunately, this neighbor was Chief Deputy U.S. Marshal William “Buzz” Brown. Reese was able to bark only two times before the deputy shot the leashed dog twice.

Brown, who says he felt threatened, was two feet away from the dog when he thought she might attack him. Amazingly, Reese survived. However, because she was shot at such a close range, Reese’s front left leg and shoulder had to be removed, and her back left leg was left shattered. The vet bills reached $10,000.

Patricia McConnell said the shooting was so unexpected that she feared that if she said anything, the officer would fire at her as well. Her daughter, Deborah Twitty, told Fox59 that they live in fear of their neighbor. “I’m afraid he’s going to retaliate,” she said of the deputy.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: corruption; doggieping; policestats
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To: Altariel

...most of the kittehs.


51 posted on 05/25/2013 10:53:15 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein)
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To: Altariel; entropy12

He sure got “good grouping” for shooting a black dog in the pitch dark.

/s


52 posted on 05/25/2013 10:53:31 PM PDT by Salamander (The only things that last forever are memories and sorrow.)
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To: imardmd1; Salamander

Large breed dogs (and larger smaller breeds) can knock children over while playing, or pin them down while displaying friendly, cheerful behavior.

Cynophobia, even selective cynophobia, spreads fear, not education and reason.


53 posted on 05/25/2013 10:54:24 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: tumblindice

Shot a black dog in the pitch dark, two feet from its owner without hitting anything else, no less.

Dude should up for sniper duty.

He’s good.

/s


54 posted on 05/25/2013 10:57:23 PM PDT by Salamander (The only things that last forever are memories and sorrow.)
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To: Altariel

My 100 pound Dobe adores kids to the point of idiocy.

He has learned to be careful around small beings..but he wasn’t always.

The kids would laugh when they landed on their pamper-padded bottoms and haul themselves back up by his collar for more face-slurping.

Sweet departed Halla would freeze totally still while they patted and hugged her.

Amazingly, she really didn’t ~like~ being hugged on and wouldn’t even let us do it..but kids..she was like a happy statue.


55 posted on 05/25/2013 11:02:18 PM PDT by Salamander (The only things that last forever are memories and sorrow.)
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To: shibumi

Are you aware of the law change, there?


56 posted on 05/25/2013 11:03:17 PM PDT by Salamander (The only things that last forever are memories and sorrow.)
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To: Altariel

Police shoot dogs because they can. Dogs can’t shoot back, file charges, file a lawsuit, complain to the news media.


57 posted on 05/25/2013 11:06:20 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: atc23

Maybe it makes sense in whatever country he came from.


58 posted on 05/25/2013 11:08:41 PM PDT by Salamander (The only things that last forever are memories and sorrow.)
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To: entropy12

Save your breath. Free Republic is rife with anti cop idiots.


59 posted on 05/25/2013 11:11:30 PM PDT by Wiggins
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To: entropy12

Cops win most gun fights. They get free bullets to practice and they practice a lot.


Having been at the range next to uniformed and plainclothes cops a number of times, most of them can’t hit the broad side of anything, much less a barn.


60 posted on 05/25/2013 11:13:40 PM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: Cap74
This is why police are dangerous, and why we are seeing abuses of power and lack of accountability. It is the State that makes this so. Increasingly, the State believes itself to be at risk from its citizens, and its proliferation of laws and acquisition of arms is accompanied by attempts to restrict citizens' rights and abilities to defend themselves.

They are at risk from their cohabitants, because minors are not being trained to be responsible citizens as it was 50 or more years ago. It is also from this pool that police academies must draw. So ... any democracy bears within itself the seeds of its own destruction ---

61 posted on 05/25/2013 11:36:39 PM PDT by imardmd1 (An armed society is a polite society -- but dangerous for the fool --)
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To: chaosagent

“Having been at the range next to uniformed and plainclothes cops a number of times, most of them can’t hit the broad side of anything, much less a barn.”

Having been the same place I can agree. I shoot better than most cops, and more often. If you see a cop at a public range it usually means he has qualification coming up and is worried he won’t make it.

Cops shoot dogs because they can. Far too many cops today are POS. You can trace this directly back to the relaxing of hiring standards required by affirmative action in the 1980s. Not enough of America’s most cranky and privileged minority group were being hired so rather than suggest they find another line of work, courts ordered departments across the country to lower their hiring, and promotion, standards. The cops you see today are the direct result. Thirty years ago they wouldn’t have made the cut, today they shoot dogs because it makes them feel powerful and they know they can get away with it.

One of those jack booted thugs shoots my dog and I will make it my mission to see he pays.


62 posted on 05/25/2013 11:41:40 PM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: Altariel

Strange how many dogs spend years not “charging” at neighbors, the postman, garbage man or Avon lady, yet suddenly upon seeing the cops, get the urge to attack them. Sure. Just the Gestapo. No one else.


63 posted on 05/25/2013 11:45:09 PM PDT by cydcharisse (`)
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To: tumblindice; entropy12; Altariel

There are some hobbyist groups you just can’t reason with. Dog owners are one, especially about their favorite breed. (Usually a dog’s bad behavior is due to a lack of knowledgeable training by its owner.) So just don’t bother trying.


64 posted on 05/25/2013 11:49:38 PM PDT by imardmd1 (An armed society is a polite society -- but dangerous for the fool --)
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To: Altariel

It’s doctrine. “Doctrine” means “teaching”, mind you. They are taught to do this, and I have no doubt that they are instilled with fear of the idea of deviating from this doctrine. So once they are told that they should shoot the dog preemptively, they fear the consequences of not doing so, even when it is clear to them, as independent thinking agents, that the dog is not a real threat, because what if it is after all? And what if they are asked, why didn’t you shoot it like you were taught to?


65 posted on 05/26/2013 12:47:58 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Altariel

66 posted on 05/26/2013 1:01:52 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: rawcatslyentist

Oh your opinion doesn’t count because ypu are obviously an evil pothead. /s


67 posted on 05/26/2013 1:16:57 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: imardmd1

Oh please...


68 posted on 05/26/2013 1:30:04 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: entropy12
The cop was justified IMO.

The cop was not justified unless you extend that justification to ANY citizen who feels threatened.

There is nothing that gives a cop the power to shoot neighbor's dogs only because he carries a gun and is a cop. The cop is not a privileged citizen with special rights.

If *feeling threatened" is his bar for shooting a dog ar home, it's the bar for everyone with a gun.

-PJ

69 posted on 05/26/2013 1:41:07 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Altariel
Because the raellians (lizard people) can be spotted by dogs....

Duh!

70 posted on 05/26/2013 1:45:11 AM PDT by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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To: entropy12

Buddy, are you a halfwit? I have an 18 lb CAT....a dog the size of him roughly would be extremely hard put to have the size and strength to hurt a child in summer clothing, let alone a cop in a typical uniform. Merely closed shoes and pants would provide enough protection, even figuring the animal was vicious, which there’s no proof this one was!


71 posted on 05/26/2013 2:06:28 AM PDT by Fire_on_High (RIP City of Heroes and Paragon Studios, victim of the Obamaconomy.)
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To: entropy12

If he could shoot the black dog twice it wan’t that damn dark. Admit it you hate dogs.


72 posted on 05/26/2013 2:29:13 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican, no Conservative was on the ballot.)
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To: entropy12
Cops win most gun fights. They get free bullets to practice and they practice a lot.

Snicker...

Snicker...

BWAAAAAHahahahahahaaahaha!

You don't go to the range much..do ya? Cops win battles where they own a tremendous advantage in weapons and numbers. Now...The LE where I live...Douglas county Georgia...are country boys that grow up hunting like the rest of us did...are as a group much better shots than LE in NYC or Chicago.

But they ain't even close to the best in the county. And to their credit..they have not joined the dog killing craze like most LE have...again..because they are country boys.

73 posted on 05/26/2013 2:30:07 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (Dave Mustaine for president.)
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To: Altariel

I should have read more comments but the ditch dark comment got me. looks like you beat me to it. :)


74 posted on 05/26/2013 2:31:18 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican, no Conservative was on the ballot.)
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To: Cap74
large scale disasters like Waco

The evolutionary purpose of dogs living with humans is they provide an early alert an impending raid by other humans. Police hate dogs because they blow their surprise advantage during raids. Police departments are now buying gun silencers for the sole purpose of shooting dogs without blowing their cover. The mistake they made in Waco is when the raid started they immediately shot the dogs. From the perspective of the occupants the attackers opened fire first. Their natural reaction was to return fire and defend themselves.

75 posted on 05/26/2013 3:25:06 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: Reeses
>"From the perspective of the occupants the attackers opened fire first. "

The perspective was the same for the attackers.

Same as Ruby Ridge. Sniper shot and killed his wife as she held their baby. The attackers here and there fired first. Surprisingly the said same sniper was at both locations.

It's a police state. Our govt burned 70 some odd American Citizens alive, and nothing happened to them!

76 posted on 05/26/2013 4:03:01 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: entropy12
If it was dark, and the leash was long, the cop had no way to know

FWIW, there was a full moon on Feb. 26.

77 posted on 05/26/2013 5:17:23 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: cydcharisse
Strange how many dogs spend years not “charging” at neighbors, the postman, garbage man or Avon lady, yet suddenly upon seeing the cops, get the urge to attack them. Sure. Just the Gestapo. No one else.

Not my Cassie. She loves every one and every animal and they are all her very best friend. She will run up to perfect strangers and demand to be petted and cuddled. We have tried to break her of this but it is just her personality

78 posted on 05/26/2013 5:20:25 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: Altariel

Bottom line is, if you love your dog and the police come onto your property, put your dog on a short leash, especially if your dog is a pitbull or looks like a pitbull.


79 posted on 05/26/2013 5:23:49 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: entropy12

Cops don’t practice that much. Trust me on this, I know. Their advantage is body armor.

I practice a LOT more than 99.9% of law enforcement in the US does.


80 posted on 05/26/2013 5:35:11 AM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: imardmd1
So ... any democracy bears within itself the seeds of its own destruction

Excellent point. Our troubles began when we decided to become a democracy. We were once "a Republic, if you can keep it." We could not.

81 posted on 05/26/2013 5:35:36 AM PDT by Cap74 (You can disagree with me. You can attack me. Do not lie to me.)
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To: Reeses
The mistake they made in Waco is when the raid started they immediately shot the dogs. From the perspective of the occupants the attackers opened fire first. Their natural reaction was to return fire and defend themselves.

Absolutely. I don't know if it is universal, but most police departments at all levels consider a working police dog to be the equivalent of an officer in regards to being assaulted. One who attacks a police dog will be charged with 'assaulting an officer.' I don't have a problem with this. As you point out though, that can work both ways. Force, especially pre-emptive force, used against a citizen's dog must be reviewable and must constitute police misconduct if proven to be unnecessary. It seems to be a growing trend that police can kill dogs with impunity regardless of whether they are attacked, all in the name of 'officer safety.' Just as they would, I'd consider the shooting of my dog as an attack on my family. In a worst-case scenario such as a mistaken address no-knock warrant or something like the event in the article, my instinct would be to react with force. That would be disastrous.

This is why I no longer trust police. In any potential confrontation with them that arises from a mistake or misjudgment, my life is perhaps at risk and my property, family and freedom and legal status are absolutely at risk. For this, I blame politicians and culture rather than the police themselves.

82 posted on 05/26/2013 5:50:57 AM PDT by Cap74 (You can disagree with me. You can attack me. Do not lie to me.)
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To: Altariel
who says he felt threatened,

Saying that justifies a cop killing anyone, man or beast.

83 posted on 05/26/2013 5:53:35 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: entropy12
The cop sounds like a real hero to me. It is not everyone that can shoot a small dog for barking.
84 posted on 05/26/2013 5:55:56 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: Altariel
The biggest factor in the shootings appears to be insufficient training of officers in dog behavior

That is BS. They get in training that dogs are legitimate practice targets at all times. It gives cops experience shooting living beings that makes it easier for them to shoot a person who is non threatening. That is an important quality for a "law enforcement" officer.

85 posted on 05/26/2013 6:00:09 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: Altariel

Here’s the thing that gets me.... Police can shoot your dog that is protecting his ground and masters and the policeman is justified... But if you shoot a 90lb. police dog that is sent at you to hurt you, you are charged with murder... Equal?


86 posted on 05/26/2013 6:20:53 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: entropy12

I agree with you completely.

Shouldn’t have stop with the dog, should have shot the owner too.

Then go to their house and shoot the whole family.

That will teach everyone to carry a pooper scooper.

We gotta nip this in the bud before anyone else think they can walk a dog without a pooper scooper.


87 posted on 05/26/2013 6:35:02 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: entropy12

You’re hilarious. I’ve never once seen a cop shoot well, and I’ve worked with many as a soldier.

On a side note, even at midnight, unless you’re in the middle of nowhere with heavy cloud cover, there is usually some light. Your rabid defense of this is making me question your sanity.


88 posted on 05/26/2013 7:10:00 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Wiggins

I would be more inclined to say FR is full of people who are anti-idiot.


89 posted on 05/26/2013 7:18:40 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Wiggins
Save your breath. Free Republic is rife with anti cop idiots anti idiot cops.

There, fixed your statement.

90 posted on 05/26/2013 7:59:37 AM PDT by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: Bulwyf

>I would be more inclined to say FR is full of people who are anti-idiot.<

Here, here!


91 posted on 05/26/2013 8:00:46 AM PDT by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: Darnright

LOL.


92 posted on 05/26/2013 8:27:27 AM PDT by Wiggins
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To: Altariel

It is part of their training.


93 posted on 05/26/2013 8:29:15 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Altariel

“Practice, practice, practice!”


94 posted on 05/26/2013 8:50:47 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: Altariel

Same reason that the poliece puppies will be dropped by the people when the sh tf....


95 posted on 05/26/2013 8:51:54 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Cap74

You got it. A republic needs mentally and ethically mature representatives. A mobocracy will not have them.


96 posted on 05/26/2013 9:09:57 AM PDT by imardmd1 (An armed society is a polite society -- but dangerous for the fool --)
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To: IMR 4350

Especially if the cop didn’t know for sure whether the owner had a pooper scooper or not. She *might* not have had one! Shoot first and ask questions later. Why take chances when you’re protecting yourself from the eeevils of *potential* dog poop? It’s an existential question, I think.


97 posted on 05/26/2013 9:48:07 AM PDT by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: Altariel

Those damned stupid retractable leads (i.e., “I have absolutely no control over my dog; he controls me”) are paper thin. Combine that with darkness (sorry, street lights are NOT the same as full-blown daylight), and you can easily not see the lead.

That being said, my snap judgement here would be the (off-duty neighbor, thus not quite the same as usual case) cop far overreacted, loose or not.


98 posted on 05/26/2013 10:00:28 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: entropy12

Yes, but 20 lbs is not even medium. Not in the real world, anyway.

BTW, I hate retractables; curse the lazy loser who invented those.


99 posted on 05/26/2013 10:02:06 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: entropy12

I agree. Too many dog “lovers” (slaves) and not enough dog respecters. The retractable is a sure-fire symbol of the former.


100 posted on 05/26/2013 10:04:30 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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