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YALE STUDENT TO TOM FRIEDMAN: Actually, We Yale Grads Really Are Better Than Other People
Business Insider ^ | 05/29/2013 | Gus Lubin

Posted on 05/29/2013 9:13:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Tom Friedman's latest column in The New York Times argues that employers don't care if you went to Yale:

Since jobs are evolving so quickly, with so many new tools, a bachelor’s degree is no longer considered an adequate proxy by employers for your ability to do a particular job — and, therefore, be hired. So, more employers are designing their own tests to measure applicants’ skills. And they increasingly don’t care how those skills were acquired: home schooling, an online university, a massive open online course, or Yale. They just want to know one thing: Can you add value?

Instead, Friedman argues, employers are turning to meritocratic recruiting methods, like the recruiting startup created by his daughter's former roommate at ...Yale.

People are taking issue with the column for a few reasons, including how it serves as a "PR piece for a company run by his daughter's Yale buddies" according to one commenter at Hacker News.

No one is more upset, however, than one Yale student who argues at Hacker News that Yale students really are better than everyone else. Here's why:

Have people considered that "credentials and connections" are actually a valuable signaling mechanism? Connections (in the broadest sense of the word) indicate that a candidate is able to form strong personal relationships.

People are not robots, and this ability goes a long way in the workforce. If you are hiring someone, you know you're going to spend the majority of your waking time with that person for the foreseeable future. So any kind of signal that this will prove a positive use of your time is a valuable one.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Education; Society
KEYWORDS: friedman; ivyleague; tomfriedman; yale

1 posted on 05/29/2013 9:13:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Sounds like a guy that’s just got bit in the ass by a cost-benefit analysis. He’s hoping he didn’t spend $100K on his bachelor’s degree when he could’ve gotten the same thing for $20K elsewhere.

Employers like people that understand cost-benefit. In bachelor’s degrees, cost matters.

SnakeDoc


2 posted on 05/29/2013 9:21:57 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens)
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To: SeekAndFind

Actually, We Yale Grads Really Are Better Than Other People
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THIS is why I am damn tired of Ivy leaguers running out country.
Only a fool would vote for any of them .


3 posted on 05/29/2013 9:25:34 AM PDT by Tupelo (The Government lies, then the media lies to cover up the government lies.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Have people considered that "credentials and connections" are actually a valuable signaling mechanism?

Absolutely. I see a Yale degree on a resume and it signals a whole host of future problems with an attitude of entitlement, salary expectations, and very probably Socialist political views. The Yale degree is thus a valuable signal that I should look elsewhere. :)

4 posted on 05/29/2013 9:29:40 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: SeekAndFind

Prostitutes have lots of connections, too.


5 posted on 05/29/2013 9:31:06 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SeekAndFind
...do consider that financial barriers to the Ivy League are basically non-existent nowadays.

Really? From the Yale Admissions website:

The total Cost of Attendance for attending Yale in 2012-2013 is $58,600, which includes tuition ($42,300), room ($7,150), board ($5,850), and books and personal expenses ($3,300).

That's just short of sixty grand worth of "nonexistent". I'm guessing the author of the letter isn't majoring in Business. Or Economics. Or Mathematics, or Engineering, or any other field where hiring a complete fool might be dangerous.

6 posted on 05/29/2013 9:31:55 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: SeekAndFind

this sense of entitlement will make for a very long, disappointing life


7 posted on 05/29/2013 9:34:37 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: SeekAndFind
YALE STUDENT TO TOM FRIEDMAN: Actually, We Yale Grads Really Are Better Than Other People

Another perpetual adolescent. A self centered sophomore, in the classic sense.
Can't distinguish opinion from reality.

Some Yale grads are better than most other people. But the same can be said of many other grads from institutions noteworthy and modest.

The standard of that judgment is how others view you. One of the universal yardsticks of a "better" person is modesty, and by that measure the good human being always stands out, and the loudmouths fail.

But we live in a society of contradictions and illusion.

Members of Congress and bureaucrats feel the same way. Until hubris sets in. Then many become prison fodder, or mental institution residents, alcoholics, druggists or all three.

8 posted on 05/29/2013 9:34:50 AM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: SeekAndFind

College tuition bubble is gonna burst. The “big” schools aren’t worth the money and people are catching on.


9 posted on 05/29/2013 9:36:37 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Tupelo
people that go to Yale or Harvard do rub noses with each other....why else would Gore just happen to be roomates with Tommy Lee Jones, or so I've heard....

its access...

its the beautiful people...

that's how they get their acting roles/ceo jobs, etc....

work is work...I don't think these people know real work...

10 posted on 05/29/2013 9:40:02 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Billthedrill

Grandmother took care of those dreary financial matters....


11 posted on 05/29/2013 9:40:50 AM PDT by GadareneDemoniac
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To: cherry
“Privileged boy! It's great I gotta tell ya’.
Privileged boy. My Dad can by and sell ya’.
It really doesn't matter if you're on the list ahead of me.
I'm gonna get your table cuz I always tip the Matre’d.
And then I'll go to Yale because I am a legacy.
I'm better than you!” - Johnny Rainbow
12 posted on 05/29/2013 9:46:36 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, Yale has 18 Nobel laureates among its alum.

That sounds impressive until you consider that City College of New York has 9. It’s not where you took calculus 101—it’s what you do with that knowledge.


13 posted on 05/29/2013 9:48:02 AM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: SeekAndFind

I would take all this with a grain of salt. Almost everything Friedman has ever written turned out to be nonsense.


14 posted on 05/29/2013 9:49:38 AM PDT by Old North State
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To: Our man in washington

RE: Well, Yale has 18 Nobel laureates among its alum.

Obama, Gore, Carter, Yaser Arafat, Paul Krugman, Kofi Anand were all Nobel Laureates.

That’s supposed to be impressive?


15 posted on 05/29/2013 9:49:42 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Which is a better indicator of value? Four years at Yale or four years in the Marines? Four years at State U or four years in the Navy maintaining a nuclear cruiser?


16 posted on 05/29/2013 9:50:16 AM PDT by marron
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17 posted on 05/29/2013 10:02:58 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

“The Yale degree is thus a valuable signal that I should look elsewhere. :) “

I don’t hire Ivy Leaguers. Connections? They mean daddy’s connections.

I Want hungry kids with a little bit of experience and a lot of heart that will go through walls to get the job done. Not some kid who thinks he is entitled to the job because he can read a text book better then another kid.


18 posted on 05/29/2013 10:04:18 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: publius911
In essence, he is acknowledging the nepotism amongst the “family” of ivy league-rs. It's not the content of one's character, but the colors on their diploma.
19 posted on 05/29/2013 10:05:00 AM PDT by stayathomemom (Beware of kittens modifying your posts.)
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To: Our man in washington

Nobel is not exactly an ‘unbiased’ reference anymore

Since they gave both AlGore and Obama a prize for essentially nothing except PC crapola


20 posted on 05/29/2013 10:09:34 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Mr. K
Institute standardized testing ‘after’ graduation to determine what one knows and doesn't know and there will be a very sobering come down for elite universities. Guaranteed. Lots of kids are not oriented towards GPA and/or SAT scores in high school, and bloom later. This is one of the things that is great about our society - that we don't pigeon-hole people based on earlier life choices and experiences. This is why we are a creative society.

To this sophomore I say, ‘celebrate diversity’! Let's have people from all walks of life and from many different educational backgrounds add their input to the fabric of life. We don't need a homogeneous group of like-educated people running things.

21 posted on 05/29/2013 10:34:46 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: SeekAndFind

Both side address a known truth; it is not whether you can do the job, it is whether you can get the job.

Just maybe by going to Yale you can get that job.


22 posted on 05/29/2013 10:35:37 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: blueunicorn6

You’ve got my vote for post of the day.


23 posted on 05/29/2013 10:37:58 AM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

I throw all ivy league resumes in the trash.


24 posted on 05/29/2013 11:30:28 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: blueunicorn6
Prostitutes have lots of connections, too.

Likely in the same circles as the Yalies, too.

25 posted on 05/29/2013 11:33:16 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS
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To: SeekAndFind

My sister worked for a consulting firm years ago that I won’t name (McKinsey & Co.) and everyone hated the July hires. Policy at that time was to hire ONLY Ivy League graduates. She said they were all dumb as a bag of hammers, practical as tits on a mule and arrogant elitist snobs.

BUT they all played a mean game of squash.


26 posted on 05/29/2013 11:34:08 AM PDT by Cyman
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To: SeekAndFind

No mention that many corporations now have a blanket prohibition against hiring any Ivy League graduates at all.

The reasons for this is that Ivy Leaguers are seen as being disloyal to their employer, interested only in self promotion, bringing in classmates, advancing as high as they can, then jumping ship to another employer. And they don’t care if their short term decisions end up costing their employer millions of dollars to fix after they are gone.

Other employers see them as “ethically handicapped”, so should never be entrusted with anything of value.


27 posted on 05/29/2013 11:38:19 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

Friedman plumping his daughter’s friend’s startup without disclosure or mention of firms already in the space.

Bhwawawawawawawawawa!


28 posted on 05/29/2013 11:46:05 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Mr. K

Science Nobels still mean a lot.

Literary and Peace prizes, not so much.


29 posted on 05/29/2013 12:08:37 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: SeekAndFind

Funny how you see yourself is usually far different from the way others see you.


30 posted on 05/29/2013 12:10:30 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: All

yale and other similar types have to say that for self validation for their struggle to get there or to be a legacy admission there.

Otherwise they wasted their lives.

Fact is most will be hired to be mined for connections then simply dumped for the next “connection” graduates.


31 posted on 05/30/2013 5:42:34 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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