Skip to comments.YALE STUDENT TO TOM FRIEDMAN: Actually, We Yale Grads Really Are Better Than Other People
Posted on 05/29/2013 9:13:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Tom Friedman's latest column in The New York Times argues that employers don't care if you went to Yale:
Since jobs are evolving so quickly, with so many new tools, a bachelors degree is no longer considered an adequate proxy by employers for your ability to do a particular job and, therefore, be hired. So, more employers are designing their own tests to measure applicants skills. And they increasingly dont care how those skills were acquired: home schooling, an online university, a massive open online course, or Yale. They just want to know one thing: Can you add value?
Instead, Friedman argues, employers are turning to meritocratic recruiting methods, like the recruiting startup created by his daughter's former roommate at ...Yale.
People are taking issue with the column for a few reasons, including how it serves as a "PR piece for a company run by his daughter's Yale buddies" according to one commenter at Hacker News.
No one is more upset, however, than one Yale student who argues at Hacker News that Yale students really are better than everyone else. Here's why:
Have people considered that "credentials and connections" are actually a valuable signaling mechanism? Connections (in the broadest sense of the word) indicate that a candidate is able to form strong personal relationships.
People are not robots, and this ability goes a long way in the workforce. If you are hiring someone, you know you're going to spend the majority of your waking time with that person for the foreseeable future. So any kind of signal that this will prove a positive use of your time is a valuable one.
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Sounds like a guy that’s just got bit in the ass by a cost-benefit analysis. He’s hoping he didn’t spend $100K on his bachelor’s degree when he could’ve gotten the same thing for $20K elsewhere.
Employers like people that understand cost-benefit. In bachelor’s degrees, cost matters.
Actually, We Yale Grads Really Are Better Than Other People
THIS is why I am damn tired of Ivy leaguers running out country.
Only a fool would vote for any of them .
Absolutely. I see a Yale degree on a resume and it signals a whole host of future problems with an attitude of entitlement, salary expectations, and very probably Socialist political views. The Yale degree is thus a valuable signal that I should look elsewhere. :)
Prostitutes have lots of connections, too.
Really? From the Yale Admissions website:
The total Cost of Attendance for attending Yale in 2012-2013 is $58,600, which includes tuition ($42,300), room ($7,150), board ($5,850), and books and personal expenses ($3,300).
That's just short of sixty grand worth of "nonexistent". I'm guessing the author of the letter isn't majoring in Business. Or Economics. Or Mathematics, or Engineering, or any other field where hiring a complete fool might be dangerous.
this sense of entitlement will make for a very long, disappointing life
Another perpetual adolescent. A self centered sophomore, in the classic sense.
Can't distinguish opinion from reality.
Some Yale grads are better than most other people. But the same can be said of many other grads from institutions noteworthy and modest.
The standard of that judgment is how others view you. One of the universal yardsticks of a "better" person is modesty, and by that measure the good human being always stands out, and the loudmouths fail.
But we live in a society of contradictions and illusion.
Members of Congress and bureaucrats feel the same way. Until hubris sets in. Then many become prison fodder, or mental institution residents, alcoholics, druggists or all three.
College tuition bubble is gonna burst. The “big” schools aren’t worth the money and people are catching on.
its the beautiful people...
that's how they get their acting roles/ceo jobs, etc....
work is work...I don't think these people know real work...
Grandmother took care of those dreary financial matters....
Well, Yale has 18 Nobel laureates among its alum.
That sounds impressive until you consider that City College of New York has 9. It’s not where you took calculus 101—it’s what you do with that knowledge.
I would take all this with a grain of salt. Almost everything Friedman has ever written turned out to be nonsense.
RE: Well, Yale has 18 Nobel laureates among its alum.
Obama, Gore, Carter, Yaser Arafat, Paul Krugman, Kofi Anand were all Nobel Laureates.
That’s supposed to be impressive?
Which is a better indicator of value? Four years at Yale or four years in the Marines? Four years at State U or four years in the Navy maintaining a nuclear cruiser?
“The Yale degree is thus a valuable signal that I should look elsewhere. :) “
I don’t hire Ivy Leaguers. Connections? They mean daddy’s connections.
I Want hungry kids with a little bit of experience and a lot of heart that will go through walls to get the job done. Not some kid who thinks he is entitled to the job because he can read a text book better then another kid.
Nobel is not exactly an ‘unbiased’ reference anymore
Since they gave both AlGore and Obama a prize for essentially nothing except PC crapola
To this sophomore I say, ‘celebrate diversity’! Let's have people from all walks of life and from many different educational backgrounds add their input to the fabric of life. We don't need a homogeneous group of like-educated people running things.
Both side address a known truth; it is not whether you can do the job, it is whether you can get the job.
Just maybe by going to Yale you can get that job.
You’ve got my vote for post of the day.
I throw all ivy league resumes in the trash.
Likely in the same circles as the Yalies, too.
My sister worked for a consulting firm years ago that I won’t name (McKinsey & Co.) and everyone hated the July hires. Policy at that time was to hire ONLY Ivy League graduates. She said they were all dumb as a bag of hammers, practical as tits on a mule and arrogant elitist snobs.
BUT they all played a mean game of squash.
No mention that many corporations now have a blanket prohibition against hiring any Ivy League graduates at all.
The reasons for this is that Ivy Leaguers are seen as being disloyal to their employer, interested only in self promotion, bringing in classmates, advancing as high as they can, then jumping ship to another employer. And they don’t care if their short term decisions end up costing their employer millions of dollars to fix after they are gone.
Other employers see them as “ethically handicapped”, so should never be entrusted with anything of value.
Friedman plumping his daughter’s friend’s startup without disclosure or mention of firms already in the space.
Science Nobels still mean a lot.
Literary and Peace prizes, not so much.
Funny how you see yourself is usually far different from the way others see you.
yale and other similar types have to say that for self validation for their struggle to get there or to be a legacy admission there.
Otherwise they wasted their lives.
Fact is most will be hired to be mined for connections then simply dumped for the next “connection” graduates.
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