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I Learned .40 Handgun Ammunition Can Travel 500 Yards (Vanity)
06/02/2013

Posted on 06/02/2013 6:16:57 PM PDT by Sawdring

Today while I was planting the garden, a neighbor started shooting his guns. He is known to do this during the summer and for his bachelor party he and his crew shot constantly for four hours. I do not mind the noise and before today my only concern was how he could afford all the rounds he fires.

Today was different because he would shoot and then I would hear a bullet "whiz" through the air above the swamp and then thwack into the woods on the other side. This was right behind my property and I knew the bullets were ricocheting so I didn't know which way they would go next.

I live on the edge of a subdivision and his property is rural farm land. Another neighbor lady asked if it was dangerous to be in the back yard because she heard bullets in the air as well. I assumed it would be so she went in and I crossed a swamp and started whistling to get his attention. I introduced myself and told him what was happening and he wouldn't believe me. I explained to him that I didn't mind his shooting and actually appreciated that he was a gun owner but he needed to know where his bullets were landing.

I looked at his setup and all he was shooting was a Glock .40 caliber pistol, he had a berm in back that goes up to the railroad tracks and then our houses are at about a 30 degree angle from where he was standing and the barrel he was shooting at.

When I saw what he was doing I didn't think he was doing anything wrong but he would not accept that he bullets could even come close to our houses. When I got home I looked up our properties on Google Earth and found he was shooting at barrels about twenty yards from him and the barrels were about 480 yards from where the bullets hit woods.

Unless he takes some sort of corrective action, I'm going to play indoors when he starts shooting and if he hits my house I will have to call the authorities, have them extract the bullet and then we can match it up. I don't really know what else I should do.


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To: Sawdring
Call the authorities now. Take a look at a .40 cal ammo package and see if it does not warn of the range. Even .22 shell boxes usually warn the user that they are dangerous up to a mile. From my Lyman Reloading Handboook, 47th Ed., the factory muzzle velocity specs for .40 Smith and Wesson 155 grain jacketed hollow point manufactured by Remington or Federal is 1140 feet per second. Made by Winchester it is 1205 feet per second, or 400 yards per second. At 400 yards, its velocity will not have diminished appreciably, and the wound made by a ricocheting, yawing bullet will be truly impressive.

Your neighbor's bullets may be ricocheting off the barrels, deflected up and over the berm, and passing through your property with wounding, if not lethal force.

Unwilling to listen, consider the concerns of his neighbors, and unwilling to modify his range safety procedures, he is negligent in his responsibility to the law. If he is not willing to verify that it is not possible for bullets to leave the limits of his firing range and/or property, he is not a safe shooter.

Report him. With prejudice. Bullets hitting your house may be too late. If you don't report this, you might be also counted as negligent. IMHO

(From a safe shooter and marksman. I think experts from the bullet companies will validate what I just said. Call them for confirmation. Call your local gun shop for even further info.)

51 posted on 06/02/2013 7:07:31 PM PDT by imardmd1 (An armed society is a polite society -- but dangerous for the fool --)
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To: driftdiver

I have found that IMGUR is easier to use:

http://imgur.com/

you might consider it.

You can click and drag to put images on your account there, and when you want to post them on FR, you copy the image location.


52 posted on 06/02/2013 7:13:27 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Paladin2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmQCUyJ4deg
53 posted on 06/02/2013 7:13:56 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Sawdring

In less than 1 hour, youve gotten over 50 replies, I presume none of them pooh-poohing you. What does that tell you?


54 posted on 06/02/2013 7:14:04 PM PDT by imardmd1 (An armed society is a polite society -- but dangerous for the fool --)
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To: BereanBrain
Also, for some reason, Glock owners seem to be the stupidist bunch in terms of safety. As to that point, it has no real safety....

Kind of like how Volvo drivers tend to be more reckless?

55 posted on 06/02/2013 7:20:54 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: Sawdring
I don’t know, I just thought it was interesting that the bullet could travel in such a weird way. Anyone know how to do a screen shot for Google Earth?

No need to do a Screen cap.
Just use the "save image as" function.

56 posted on 06/02/2013 7:27:13 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: Sawdring

Gotta get strong on this guy. I don’t about anyone shooting either but, their backstop better be damn good.

If it ain’t. He’s got no pass to let rounds fly until it’s fixed.

Id tell him fix and maybe offer to help or it goes to the sheriff


57 posted on 06/02/2013 7:27:32 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: piytar

yup.


58 posted on 06/02/2013 7:27:44 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Evening festivities (complete with Beer Holders) is an entirely different animal.


59 posted on 06/02/2013 7:29:09 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: Sawdring
Here is the area in question:

60 posted on 06/02/2013 7:30:00 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: ThomasThomas
What a great tip!
Thank you for posting that.
61 posted on 06/02/2013 7:32:12 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: Sawdring

Your neighbor is an idiot. Call the police. He is gambling with everyone’s lives downrange.


62 posted on 06/02/2013 7:33:37 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: imardmd1; All

According to the Hornaday ballistic calculator, a 155 grain .40 caliber bullet with a muzzle velocity of 1205 and a ballistic coefficient of .137 (this is from a 155 grain .40 cal hollowpoint), will have a velocity of 719 fps at 400 yards and 657 fps at 500 yards.

At 1000 yards it will still have a velocity of 422 fps, which is still enough to be lethal.

Velocities have to drop below 400 fps before a blunt projectile will be stopped by ordinary clothing and/or skin, and then much depends on the projectile shape and weight.


63 posted on 06/02/2013 7:33:53 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Vendome
Agreed. Here is what should have happened:

SAWDRING: Hey! Hey! Yes, you! Listen, we have some stray rounds making their way to my property about 500 yards that way!

SHOOTER: Christ! Really? (turns to other shooters) Hey guys! Stop. We have a problem here...some of our rounds are making it past the backstop! This guy had a few fly his way.

OTHER SHOOTERS: (in unison) Crap! Really? Is everything okay?

SHOOTER: Yeah. Hey, is everything okay? Nobody hurt? If there is any damage, I will pay for it. We won't shoot again until we can verify the issue is fixed, would you be willing to help me with that, just to be sure? Here is my cell phone number...

64 posted on 06/02/2013 7:37:35 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: rlmorel

Thanks for posting it! The train track is about 12 feet higher than where the barrel is. If you brought it up on Google you could see a couple more barrels further north also. The first line is where he was standing on a platform and the path of the bullet to the nearest barrel. The second line is what I’m assuming the path of the ricochet was.


65 posted on 06/02/2013 7:39:56 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: rlmorel

I presume you are the blue dot, from your description.


66 posted on 06/02/2013 7:41:42 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: ClearCase_guy

You said it.

Don’t wait for a stray bullet to blow someone’s brain pan out to start thinking about escalating.

Either the guy is dangerous or incompetent. When you’re talking about the possibility of killing someone, you stop that person regardless.


67 posted on 06/02/2013 7:41:57 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Sawdring

Ah. I understand now.


68 posted on 06/02/2013 7:42:29 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: T-Bird45

That reminds me, in Texas it is a felony to fire a bullet that crosses a property line.


69 posted on 06/02/2013 7:43:22 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: Sawdring

That google image gave me the chills. Your neighbor needs a much better backstop, and much better range discipline.

At the minimum, if he would allow it, show him this thread!

He could easily end up seriously injuring or killing someone, and we do not need the extra greif!

If he will not listen to reason, stronger methods, such as contacting the authorities are called for.

Just consider the road that bullets from his location are crossing. Any randon vehicle on that road is potentially at risk.

Note: all of this is base on your description. I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on tv.


70 posted on 06/02/2013 7:43:52 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: rlmorel

That dude is in big trouble. His rounds are crossing a road.


71 posted on 06/02/2013 7:46:42 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: marktwain

That is a railroad track to the north and a small private dirt road they use to get to their property on the other side of the track.


72 posted on 06/02/2013 7:49:01 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: rlmorel

Zactly! Guy’s a fag for being nonchalant and his rounds are crossing a road.

Big trouble in a small town if sheriff finds out.


73 posted on 06/02/2013 7:49:56 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Sawdring

Oh! Thought that was a road.

RR is even better. Call the sheriff if’n he ain’t gonna be concerned about the safety of his neighbors.


74 posted on 06/02/2013 7:53:29 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Sawdring
I introduced myself and told him what was happening and he wouldn't believe me.

I would have told him he can believe me and modify what he was doing, or he could explain why he was such a dumbass to the policeman that would be showing up to investigate. Being a good neighbor does not include getting shot because of an irresponsible gun owner. Being a good neighbor does include not shooting your neighbor.

75 posted on 06/02/2013 7:56:21 PM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: Sawdring

Just press the Prt Screen key for the whole window or Alt and Prt Screen for the active one. Then paste it in a graphic editor (File>New) like PhotoFiltre and save itr as a jpg.

Or download PrintKey 2000 (free version) http://www.freewareweb.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?download=1&ID=292


76 posted on 06/02/2013 7:59:24 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Sawdring

A .40 caliber bullet will, fired level, drop less than 42 feet over 500 yards. That means him aiming the gun up just 1.6 degrees will drop the bullet in your property.

Heck yeah it can travel 500 yards. A whole lot farther if you aim higher.


77 posted on 06/02/2013 8:06:49 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: rlmorel

Please delete that pic when this thread is over
The Latitude and Longitude is on there.
Just saying....


78 posted on 06/02/2013 8:07:50 PM PDT by libertarian27 (FreeRepublic Cookbooks 2011 & 2012 - Click Profile)
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To: libertarian27

Heh, I’ll fix that for him right now.


79 posted on 06/02/2013 8:09:53 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: Vendome

I thought he said it was a railroad, but either way, you are right. That is trouble.


80 posted on 06/02/2013 8:13:19 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: rlmorel

Nice!
(you have powers :))


81 posted on 06/02/2013 8:13:56 PM PDT by libertarian27 (FreeRepublic Cookbooks 2011 & 2012 - Click Profile)
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To: rlmorel
Even if ricochets from idiots shooting into the dirt gangsta style, just adjusting the angle of fire clockwise would take car of it.

Looks like a farm building just to the right of the plotted path that is even more exposed.

82 posted on 06/02/2013 8:14:31 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: libertarian27

LOL...The power is strong with this one...:)


83 posted on 06/02/2013 8:14:51 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: doorgunner69

Agreed.


84 posted on 06/02/2013 8:15:55 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: driftdiver

Glock is OK for carrying in a holster (non-concealed). Please tell me how you can carry a Glock concealed - reach into concealment and grab it in such a manner as to not accidentally disengage the grip safety and touch the trigger.

If you answer it’s not a problem, then by all means, go ahead and let Darwin’s law get engaged.

Insult or no, it’s the truth.


85 posted on 06/02/2013 8:21:36 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: Disambiguator

If a volvo had a “feature” that turned off you brakes if your butt was in the seat, you would get what you deserve.


86 posted on 06/02/2013 8:22:48 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: rlmorel
Heh, I’ll fix that for him right now.

Not to be too picky, but you should always block/black out sensitive numbers & text in photos instead of blurring. It can be trivial to reverse common software blurs.

Posted for the general benefit of FR OPSEC. :)
87 posted on 06/02/2013 8:36:41 PM PDT by rpierce (We have taglines now? :)
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To: BereanBrain
As to that point, it has no real safety....

My SIG doesn't have a safety at all. When I pull the trigger, I expect it to fire. The real safety is between your ears.

88 posted on 06/02/2013 8:37:32 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: BereanBrain

Glocks do not have grip safeties.


89 posted on 06/02/2013 8:47:07 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: SaxxonWoods

It’s generally illegal to shoot across roads, and presumably railroad tracks, as well...


90 posted on 06/02/2013 8:59:59 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: marktwain

you are right. Even stupider, it has a “Trigger” safety.


91 posted on 06/03/2013 12:08:33 AM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: zeugma

That’t ok strapped to the side of your leg. Try pulling it from concealment and get back to me.

Or just watch the large number of videos on the internet of people shooting themselves accidentally with Glocks (trigger safety = no safety).

Hunting guns have safeties, and I grew up hunting with guns with safeties. You get used to the action, and it becomes automatic. Birds, deer flushed are much faster than you will encounter humans reacting, and you CAN walk through the woods with the safety on, and still drop game when it flushes....


92 posted on 06/03/2013 12:11:13 AM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: 1rudeboy; JRandomFreeper

It’d make quite a war cry as you flipped the release lever..”don’t shoot at me I’m just the piano player!”


93 posted on 06/03/2013 12:22:07 AM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: T-Bird45

Very practical


94 posted on 06/03/2013 1:56:05 AM PDT by imardmd1 (An armed society is a polite society -- but dangerous for the fool --)
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To: rpierce

Interesting. I would like to see that done. I don’t think it would be as trivial as simply reverse engineering a gaussian blur and doing the obverse of the setting to put it back.

Once the data is destroyed (as it would be in a jpg once you apply the blur and save the image) the data is gone.

The analogy would be a picture that was not exposed correctly. There is a limit to the amount of manipulation that can be done on an image if the data simply isn’t there. If someone is wearing a black shirt and the basic image doesn’t have enough shades of gray to distinguish detail, then you will never get the detail out because it isn’t there to begin with.


95 posted on 06/03/2013 3:10:21 AM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: BereanBrain

I didn’t see where concealed carry entered anywhere into this particular instance. BTW concealed carry should be in a holster regardless of what firearm you carry.

So you doubled down and made a bigger fool of yourself. I’m done with ya.


96 posted on 06/03/2013 3:14:16 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: BereanBrain

I think you could have made your point without intentionally insulting people.

What you say may or may not be true, but there was no call to refer to Glock owners as the stupidest at anything.


97 posted on 06/03/2013 3:16:52 AM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: marktwain

Thanks I’ll give it a try.


98 posted on 06/03/2013 3:20:32 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: rpierce

I went out and looked around, and I did find a white paper that explained how it might be done mathematically, so I follow the rule of thumb: If someone can think of it, someone can probably do it.

I suppose it would depend on the type of filter that is used. If there is one that uses a more random algorithm to produce an effect, then it probably becomes a lot more difficult to reverse engineer.

I will keep that in mind for the future. Thanks for the tip.


99 posted on 06/03/2013 3:24:58 AM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: JRandomFreeper
F=M*V2.

Not to be picky, but . . .
F=M*a.
E=(1/2)M*V2.

100 posted on 06/03/2013 5:04:51 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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