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SAPD: Man Tasered while attempting to save infant son from a house fire
KENS 5 ^ | June 2, 2013 | Kens5.com Staff

Posted on 06/04/2013 8:43:47 PM PDT by Altariel

SAN ANTONIO -- A father was tazed by San Antonio police while trying to save his infant boy from a house fire.

The incident occurred at around 2:30 a.m. Sunday during a house fire in the 100 block of Morningview Drive.

Investigators said the parents of the eight-month-old boy had dropped off their children at their grandparents' house. Somehow, a fire got started inside the home shortly thereafter.

The grandparents managed to grab one boy and rush to safety. That's when they realized one boy was still trapped inside.

Emergency crews and the children's parents arrived on the scene at around that time.

The boy's father tried several times to enter the burning home, but police held him back and ended up tazing him. SAPD said it was for his own safety.

The infant died from injuries sustained during the blaze.

Arson is under investigation. Police said the stories just don't add up.

No criminal charges have been filed.

The family is now looking for a new place to stay.


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1 posted on 06/04/2013 8:43:48 PM PDT by Altariel
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To: Travis McGee

No good deed goes unpunished by The State?


2 posted on 06/04/2013 8:44:28 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

Speechless


3 posted on 06/04/2013 8:47:51 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Why am I both pro-life & pro-gun? Because both positions defend the innocent and protect the weak.)
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To: Altariel

That last sentence is so tacky!

Like that is their greatest problem to deal with right away!


4 posted on 06/04/2013 8:49:38 PM PDT by 3D-JOY
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To: Altariel

No possible wins here. They let him go in, he probably dies. A true tragedy. That said, they should have let him try.


5 posted on 06/04/2013 8:50:00 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Altariel

That’s not quite what tasers are for.


6 posted on 06/04/2013 8:51:14 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: piytar

Possible win: every able bodied person on the scene does everything in his or her power to attempt to save an infant.

NOT “manpower is wasted because a few nanny-staters prevents the baby’s father from *of his own volition* entering a blaze to save his son’s life.”


7 posted on 06/04/2013 8:53:56 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: piytar

First rule of first aid, don’t create a second person needing rescue.


8 posted on 06/04/2013 8:56:59 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30
First rule of being a father. Do everything in your power to protect and save your children.

I believe this second trumps the first...and would personally die trying to save one of my own, and day of the week and twice on Sundays. And I am a certified 1st responder.

9 posted on 06/04/2013 9:01:00 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jonty30

Well, that’s the Nanny State view.

Didn’t look like they did much ‘aiding’ in any case.


10 posted on 06/04/2013 9:01:58 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: Jonty30

“First rule of first aid, don’t create a second person needing rescue.”

There is nobody you love so much that you would not risk your life to try to save? OK Spock.


11 posted on 06/04/2013 9:02:32 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: Altariel

Police need to stick to their primary responsibilities:

Raising revenue for the Welfare State.


12 posted on 06/04/2013 9:04:07 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (MOHAMMED WAS A CHILD RAPIST!)
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To: piytar

he tried several times... and then was tased prolly when the cops realized he was going to kill himself in the effort

I’m split on this


13 posted on 06/04/2013 9:04:41 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Altariel

the father probably wasn’t UNION


14 posted on 06/04/2013 9:06:42 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Altariel; All

Taxpayers of SA will be paying $$$ in this settlement. You will not win a lawsuit if your actions prevented an infant from being saved. Smart attys right now are telling SAPD to prepare for settlement


15 posted on 06/04/2013 9:08:23 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: Altariel

Bastards!


16 posted on 06/04/2013 9:08:42 PM PDT by MNDude (Sorry for typos. Probably written on a smartphone, and I have big clumsy fingers.)
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To: Altariel

There is just no end to the abuse of the tazer.


17 posted on 06/04/2013 9:09:44 PM PDT by Republican1795.
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To: andyk
That’s not quite what tasers are for.

You might not think so, if you are not in tune with the power of DOCTRINE.

It's a logical development. Given the power of tasing, the police are, by doctrine, prohibited from any sort of physical engagement with a member of the public. The first recourse after verbal exhoration is the taser. So, that's it right there.

18 posted on 06/04/2013 9:10:24 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Altariel

Would have used that tazer on the cop in a judicious spot and ran it until the batteries ran flat.


19 posted on 06/04/2013 9:11:59 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: sten
and then was tased prolly when the cops realized he was going to kill himself in the effort

If that's what it takes, then yes, I would die trying.

20 posted on 06/04/2013 9:12:08 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: Carthego delenda est; Jonty30
There is nobody you love so much that you would not risk your life to try to save? OK Spock.

Truly ironic considering the ending of Star Trek II.

21 posted on 06/04/2013 9:21:50 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Altariel

Too much of the necessary information is missing to make a good judgement regarding the degree of risk the father faced in entering to rescue an infant son...

Light smoke conditions? Heavy smoke conditions? Smoke with some fire showing? Structure totally involved in flames? Collapse imminent? These are some of the factors firefighters assess in deciding to enter for fire attack and search/rescue, or go defensive and protect adjacent structures...

Firefighters assess degree of fire involvement, along with condition of the structure, its remaining structural integrity, contents, and location of the person to be rescued (if known) when making that call...And it’s the fire incident commander’s call to make, not a cop’s...If the structure was totally involved in fire when crews arrived, then no entry may have been possible...

But IF it’s true family and emergency crews (firefighters?) arrived on scene at the same time, that begs the question why were firefighters not entering to rescue the boy, IF they had any information he was still inside? If the firefighters were told a kid was still inside, did not enter to search and rescue or attempt an interior attack, but went defensive instead, then the father’s desire to try to rescue his son is very understandable...

A cop stopping a father from rescuing his own child because the police officer decides it’s too risky is a decision above the cop’s pay grade, and outside his area of experise...

38 years a firefighter, a cop would have to shoot me if my kid was inside a burning structure...


22 posted on 06/04/2013 9:23:59 PM PDT by elteemike (Light travels faster than sound...That's why so many people appear bright until you hear them speak!)
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To: Altariel
Emergency crews and the children's parents arrived on the scene at around that time.

The boy's father tried several times to enter the burning home, but police held him back and ended up tazing him. SAPD said it was for his own safety.

It looks as if the police and emergency crews prevented the father from entering the home while at the same time refused to attempt a rescue themselves. I can ignore their cowardice in refusing to use their publicly funded training to bear any risk themselves. However, their refusal to allow the father to attempt to save his infant son is inexcusable. In my opinion, the father would have been fully justified in using lethal force against those preventing him from attempting to save his son.

23 posted on 06/04/2013 9:28:24 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Altariel

I’m glad we never had kids, or have ever had a fire .. not sure how I would have reacted,, but I would probably try to save my neighbor’s kid or grandkid or my own if we did..

Sad, there are no guarantees on what may happen,, regardless the facts tho, neither the kid or the father were able to exercise self-determination in that instance.

Sometimes being part of a ‘civilized’ controlled society is just not an easy thing. Prayers to the father and family.


24 posted on 06/04/2013 9:49:41 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: Jeff Head

Why did you or anyone choose to have kids? Because they are an extension of you into the future, hopefully, beyond your own mortality.

I understand that some say it just puts more lives at risk but also would ask what they would do if it was their child?

Maybe they ought to find another job if this question unsettles them.

Peace and Good Health from a boat headed toward Ketchikan.


25 posted on 06/04/2013 9:53:22 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: Jonty30

You’re absolutely right. It’s really, truly much more important to let babies die than violate rules.


26 posted on 06/04/2013 9:59:56 PM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
However, their refusal to allow the father to attempt to save his infant son is inexcusable.

Absolutely, based on the fact he might have been able to save his own kid. They'll never know, will they?

Ya got to love controlling government and their agents.

27 posted on 06/04/2013 10:01:37 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: andyk

Many agents of the government become drunk with power...They get heavy badge syndrome. Anyone challenging their commands, even trying to save your own child, are subject to electrocution, beating and or death.

This isn’t your parents America.


28 posted on 06/04/2013 10:06:44 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dr_lew
It's a logical development. Given the power of tasing, the police are, by doctrine, prohibited from any sort of physical engagement with a member of the public. The first recourse after verbal exhoration is the taser. So, that's it right there.

I guess in the event none of them had a taser, they would had to have shot him...

29 posted on 06/04/2013 10:08:53 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Altariel

Since he was disobeying a command by government agents, did they arrest the father who was attempting to save his kid?


30 posted on 06/04/2013 10:10:18 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: piytar

***** “No possible wins here. They let him go in, he probably dies. A true tragedy. That said, they should have let him try.” *****

If I was the guy Tased... the idiot that Tased me best move to a different Planet because this Planet will no longer support his Life Form.

jus sayin

TT


31 posted on 06/04/2013 10:23:40 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus

Disagree. First lesson of a fire - if you are out do not go back in.

Are you suggesting it’s the motivation of cowardice to follow this rule?

Real life is not the movies. Sure, it sounds great to run in there and try to save your kid and get back out - but if you run in there and die how does that help anyone?

I have two younger brothers. I have had to look after them since they were small. Both my mother and my father would have excoriated me for ever going back inside in a fire for any reason.

Get the hell out. Get away from the fire. Do whatever you have to do to get out. If it means jumping out the top window and breaking a leg - break the damn leg.

That was our rule with a fire. Don’t look around for anybody else. Get the hell out. Worry about the rest of it - once you are out of the house and safe.

You are not superman.


32 posted on 06/04/2013 10:25:00 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: elteemike

See my post 31

TT


33 posted on 06/04/2013 10:26:12 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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To: Carthego delenda est
There is nobody you love so much that you would not risk your life to try to save?

Does not compute!

What you mean, ( I assume, ) is "There is nobody you love so much that you would risk your life to try to save?" See what I mean? Or you could say, "Is there no one for whom you would risk your own life" ... and like that.

Or you could say, "Would you not risk your life to save anyone?" See, "anyone", in this case. The cold heart of grammar!

34 posted on 06/04/2013 10:26:35 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: OneWingedShark; Carthego delenda est; Jonty30
"Truly ironic considering the ending of Star Trek II."

I thought it was a bit strange myself. But maybe the person posting this only saw the JJ Abrams version, not the real, original Wrath of Khan.

In any event, the needs of that baby outweighed the desires of the nanny staters. I pray for that family to forgive and find peace.

35 posted on 06/04/2013 10:30:45 PM PDT by Waryone (Trust the Lord not your own understanding. Acknowledge Him. He will direct your path.)
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To: TexasTransplant

I would have tazed the guy myself. Don’t care how he thought of me afterwards.

He could hate me forever but I would taze him if I were that cop. He could put me up for performance review and have me written up take me to all the papers and I’ll say the same damn thing.

“Why did you taze him”

To save his damn fool life.

You do not run into a building that’s on fire once you are outside and safe.

And if they took this guy to court, I’d acquit the cop on day 1 and hang the jury if necessary. His job as a cop is to let some damn fool kill himself out of grief? No his job is to save his damn fool life.


36 posted on 06/04/2013 10:30:45 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge

**** “You are not superman” ****

No you ain’t.

See my post 31 ... I would be what you call Kryptonite to YOU.

Take your stinking RULES and SHOVE THEM... ya moron.

TT


37 posted on 06/04/2013 10:32:59 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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To: JCBreckenridge; Ronaldus Magnus
Disagree. First lesson of a fire - if you are out do not go back in.

Bull sh*t...I personally ran into a nearly fully involved house fire when I was 20 years old, as the "First responders" just arrived and I grabbed an elderly women who was still collecting things to save and somewhat forcibly walked/pushed her out.

Stop with that BS.

38 posted on 06/04/2013 10:36:51 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: JCBreckenridge

**** “His job as a cop is to let some damn fool kill himself out of grief? No his job is to save his damn fool life.” ****

YOU WERE THERE? YOU SAW THIS WITH YOUR OWN EYES?

Worrying about what I thought of your narrow ass after the fact would be on about page 60 of your worries if you Tazed me.

TT


39 posted on 06/04/2013 10:39:55 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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To: JCBreckenridge

To finish this, the homeowner female was hosing down her son on the front lawn, who’d been severely burnt while working on his car in the attached garage, gas fire, she was screaming, “My Moms still in the house”...Home nearly fully engulfed at that point. So I went in and got her.

That lady might have never made it out, if I had not ran in and grabbed her. I just happened by on my Harley at 20 years old,....So stop with your first responder BS script.


40 posted on 06/04/2013 10:43:39 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

I get it. If there’s a small chance to save the kid...take it. If the place is an inferno and it’s suicide by hysteria ...stop the guy


41 posted on 06/04/2013 10:43:49 PM PDT by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: TexasTransplant

“No you ain’t.

See my post 31 ... I would be what you call Kryptonite to YOU.

Take your stinking RULES and SHOVE THEM... ya moron.”

I did see your post 31.

This man had two sons. What would have happened if he went in to save the other one and died? Is it fair to son number 1 to die trying to save the other son?

It’s got nothing to do with how much you love the other person. Absolutely nothing at all.

The best way you can protect your family is to drill with them consistantly and often enough and time how long it takes for them to get out of the house.

You have minutes. Get it under ten to get the hell out and repeat until they are consistantly out in ten minutes - out of the damn house.

Make it so you don’t have to think - just do.


42 posted on 06/04/2013 10:44:01 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge

***** “Make it so you don’t have to think - just do” *****

You are just digging a DEEPER HOLE Sport.

Screw YOUR RULES and I hope like Hell you never Taze me or someone like me...

TT

What are you some 100% correct Oddsmaker? Move to NV, get rich and stay the hell away from Tazers.


43 posted on 06/04/2013 10:51:56 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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To: Altariel

Ambivalent here without more info though tasing seems a bit much

Just have grown men hold him back

I have see fires in total immolation in which nothing could be done

Simply not enough info here to warrant a solid opinion on this beyond the taser

And yes....a father should be allowed to die trying....absolutely

I have seen that once in a drowning child case at the old Port Gibson ferry on the lower Mississippi.....we were in ferry line....I was 11 maybe.....LA bank

Daughter fell in playing at ferry ramp....dad dove in.....both drowned....a mighty powerful river she is there in spring


44 posted on 06/04/2013 10:52:53 PM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: dragnet2

“To finish this, the homeowner female was hosing down her son on the front lawn, who’d been severely burnt while working on his car in the attached garage, gas fire, she was screaming, “My Moms still in the house”...Home nearly fully engulfed at that point. So I went in and got her.

That lady might have never made it out, if I had not ran in and grabbed her. I just happened by on my Harley at 20 years old,....So stop with your first responder BS script.”

Couple things here.

1, you were extremely brave.
2, you were extremely stupid.

What would have happened if you found the woman tried to get her out and then got trapped yourself? Again - first rule - do not compound the rescue problem.

When you are 50 miles from the nearest road, you do not have the luxury of ‘being a hero’ and taking stupid risks. I drilled that with my patrol. You get hurt fifty miles in the bush, guess what, the calvary ain’t coming. Don’t be a hero. Someone gets hurt - follow the rules and everybody gets out. Break the rules - it’s not just you and the other guy at stake but the entire patrol that you put at risk.

Rules are there for a reason. It’s one thing to be a hero and get lucky, but what happens when someone else comes along, reads what you wrote, tries the same stunt and then, in the middle of a goddamn fire realizes that you were damn lucky.

Sometimes you don’t have a choice - you have to do what you have to do. You have to go out there and do your damndest to minimize the damage. This is different.


45 posted on 06/04/2013 10:53:47 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Trust me, I don’t need your lecture or regurgitate government policy gibber.


46 posted on 06/04/2013 10:56:39 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Altariel
The cops and the fire department's main goal used to be "protect and serve" now it's "protect ourselves."

Public servants my ass.

47 posted on 06/04/2013 11:02:14 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: TexasTransplant

“What are you some 100% correct Oddsmaker? Move to NV, get rich and stay the hell away from Tazers.”

I’d taze you twice on sundays if that’s what it took to keep you from going back in. Guess what, your hurt feelings mean diddly squat.

I would have a duty - keeping you the hell out of the fire. I would be negligent in my duties to let you go back in and have you die trying to save someone from a fire.

People died in 9-11 because they didn’t treat it seriously enough. People died in 9-11 making one wrong decision at the wrong time. That, my FRiend is all it takes.

You want to survive, you have to make all the right decisions at the right time and place. Even then, sometimes it doesn’t work out where you make the right decisions. I agree with you that it does take courage to go against what other people are doing through. I’ve read the accounts of 9-11 where people trapped above the crash went up because they didn’t want to go through the fires and flames blocking them from the ground.

The ones who survived all tell the same story - they made the decision to push through the fires and flames no matter what the cost. They lived.

Every single person save one who went up, died. And the one who went up got lucky, changed his mind and barely got out.

I don’t grudge those who tried to save other people at the cost to themselves. I respect that greatly - but giving people this advice just leads to people getting dead.

If people are trained to make the right decisions and quickly it will help them immeasurably in very, very difficult situations.


48 posted on 06/04/2013 11:03:41 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: dragnet2

Sport, it ain’t for your benefit. It’s for the other people who read about this 20 year old hard riding harley superman and try the same stunt themselves.

You gonna look me in the eye and tell me it wasn’t a close shave? I don’t believe you.

You did a fantastic thing in saving that woman’s life. No doubt. But you got lucky. Others have tried the same thing you did and found that it ain’t as easy as Supes makes it look. Did they die because they weren’t as strong, or as smart and as fast as you?


49 posted on 06/04/2013 11:07:37 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge
about this 20 year old hard riding harley superman

What a hoot! You been watching too much Rescue Squad 21 TaVa..LOL...Or maybe write scripts for Obama!

50 posted on 06/04/2013 11:14:48 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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