Posted on 06/04/2013 8:43:47 PM PDT by Altariel
SAN ANTONIO -- A father was tazed by San Antonio police while trying to save his infant boy from a house fire.
The incident occurred at around 2:30 a.m. Sunday during a house fire in the 100 block of Morningview Drive.
Investigators said the parents of the eight-month-old boy had dropped off their children at their grandparents' house. Somehow, a fire got started inside the home shortly thereafter.
The grandparents managed to grab one boy and rush to safety. That's when they realized one boy was still trapped inside.
Emergency crews and the children's parents arrived on the scene at around that time.
The boy's father tried several times to enter the burning home, but police held him back and ended up tazing him. SAPD said it was for his own safety.
The infant died from injuries sustained during the blaze.
Arson is under investigation. Police said the stories just don't add up.
No criminal charges have been filed.
The family is now looking for a new place to stay.
I get it. If there’s a small chance to save the kid...take it. If the place is an inferno and it’s suicide by hysteria ...stop the guy
“No you ain’t.
See my post 31 ... I would be what you call Kryptonite to YOU.
Take your stinking RULES and SHOVE THEM... ya moron.”
I did see your post 31.
This man had two sons. What would have happened if he went in to save the other one and died? Is it fair to son number 1 to die trying to save the other son?
It’s got nothing to do with how much you love the other person. Absolutely nothing at all.
The best way you can protect your family is to drill with them consistantly and often enough and time how long it takes for them to get out of the house.
You have minutes. Get it under ten to get the hell out and repeat until they are consistantly out in ten minutes - out of the damn house.
Make it so you don’t have to think - just do.
***** “Make it so you don’t have to think - just do” *****
You are just digging a DEEPER HOLE Sport.
Screw YOUR RULES and I hope like Hell you never Taze me or someone like me...
TT
What are you some 100% correct Oddsmaker? Move to NV, get rich and stay the hell away from Tazers.
Ambivalent here without more info though tasing seems a bit much
Just have grown men hold him back
I have see fires in total immolation in which nothing could be done
Simply not enough info here to warrant a solid opinion on this beyond the taser
And yes....a father should be allowed to die trying....absolutely
I have seen that once in a drowning child case at the old Port Gibson ferry on the lower Mississippi.....we were in ferry line....I was 11 maybe.....LA bank
Daughter fell in playing at ferry ramp....dad dove in.....both drowned....a mighty powerful river she is there in spring
“To finish this, the homeowner female was hosing down her son on the front lawn, who’d been severely burnt while working on his car in the attached garage, gas fire, she was screaming, “My Moms still in the house”...Home nearly fully engulfed at that point. So I went in and got her.
That lady might have never made it out, if I had not ran in and grabbed her. I just happened by on my Harley at 20 years old,....So stop with your first responder BS script.”
Couple things here.
1, you were extremely brave.
2, you were extremely stupid.
What would have happened if you found the woman tried to get her out and then got trapped yourself? Again - first rule - do not compound the rescue problem.
When you are 50 miles from the nearest road, you do not have the luxury of ‘being a hero’ and taking stupid risks. I drilled that with my patrol. You get hurt fifty miles in the bush, guess what, the calvary ain’t coming. Don’t be a hero. Someone gets hurt - follow the rules and everybody gets out. Break the rules - it’s not just you and the other guy at stake but the entire patrol that you put at risk.
Rules are there for a reason. It’s one thing to be a hero and get lucky, but what happens when someone else comes along, reads what you wrote, tries the same stunt and then, in the middle of a goddamn fire realizes that you were damn lucky.
Sometimes you don’t have a choice - you have to do what you have to do. You have to go out there and do your damndest to minimize the damage. This is different.
Trust me, I don’t need your lecture or regurgitate government policy gibber.
Public servants my ass.
“What are you some 100% correct Oddsmaker? Move to NV, get rich and stay the hell away from Tazers.”
I’d taze you twice on sundays if that’s what it took to keep you from going back in. Guess what, your hurt feelings mean diddly squat.
I would have a duty - keeping you the hell out of the fire. I would be negligent in my duties to let you go back in and have you die trying to save someone from a fire.
People died in 9-11 because they didn’t treat it seriously enough. People died in 9-11 making one wrong decision at the wrong time. That, my FRiend is all it takes.
You want to survive, you have to make all the right decisions at the right time and place. Even then, sometimes it doesn’t work out where you make the right decisions. I agree with you that it does take courage to go against what other people are doing through. I’ve read the accounts of 9-11 where people trapped above the crash went up because they didn’t want to go through the fires and flames blocking them from the ground.
The ones who survived all tell the same story - they made the decision to push through the fires and flames no matter what the cost. They lived.
Every single person save one who went up, died. And the one who went up got lucky, changed his mind and barely got out.
I don’t grudge those who tried to save other people at the cost to themselves. I respect that greatly - but giving people this advice just leads to people getting dead.
If people are trained to make the right decisions and quickly it will help them immeasurably in very, very difficult situations.
Sport, it ain’t for your benefit. It’s for the other people who read about this 20 year old hard riding harley superman and try the same stunt themselves.
You gonna look me in the eye and tell me it wasn’t a close shave? I don’t believe you.
You did a fantastic thing in saving that woman’s life. No doubt. But you got lucky. Others have tried the same thing you did and found that it ain’t as easy as Supes makes it look. Did they die because they weren’t as strong, or as smart and as fast as you?
What a hoot! You been watching too much Rescue Squad 21 TaVa..LOL...Or maybe write scripts for Obama!
I don’t think there’s a good father in all the world who wouldn’t *try* to rescue his child under any such circumstances.
It’s part and parcel of doing everything in your power for your kid—leaping into danger, even if it means Junior survives and you don’t.
Just figured out who you are...
Make sure you wear your seat belt, your helmet, your gloves, wrap it before ya tap it, sunscreen on the beach, no 60oz Sodas, no Salt, “stay away from second hand smoke” these are the Rules.
In my World it’s your genes that dead end (I hope you hear babies scream in your sleep until you figure out your RULES are SHIT) I will match my Firefighting History to yours ANY DAY, ya moron.
If you are a Public Educated Brainwashed Child, I apologize for treating you like an adult. That is the way the world really works. Forgive me, but never forget me.
TT
Or was it Rescue Squad 52?
This is beyond sad.
I’ve always been of the mindset that I would rather die trying to save my child than live knowing I probably would have died too but didn’t try.
I hope he sues their ass.
***** “I’d taze you twice on sundays if that’s what it took to keep you from going back in. Guess what, your hurt feelings mean diddly squat.”*****
There ya go again worrying about feelings ... Clown if you ever tazed me for any reason ... even with permission from the EX Wife (She Runs the Universe, you must be like Vice Exalted Ruler of the Universe) You are such a tool, with your RULES that I am sure that the Collective will eventually run out of functioning Idiots and send you in, I will feel no different dispatching you than the thousands that came before you.
Like I said if you tazed me, or someone like me, worrying about what I think of your IGNORANT ass is on about page 60 of what you should be worrying about.
TT
20 year old, Hard riding Harley biker - that’s all from the poster. Not me. I never mentioned any of it - he did.
Very brave and very stupid. But lucky which is why he’s here today to talk about what he did. Others like him, not so lucky.
So this could have all been prevented if only they had drilled that eight month old in fire safety? Are you really making that claim?
“Make sure you wear your seat belt, your helmet, your gloves, wrap it before ya tap it, sunscreen on the beach, no 60oz Sodas, no Salt, “stay away from second hand smoke” these are the Rules.”
Yeah I wear my seatbelt. Nobody rides with me unless they buckle up. Do I think people should be forced to wear em? Nope. I think that if people want to get street cred by not wearing their seat belt and ‘looking cool’ they should be allowed to do so. They should also inform their insurance providers so they pay the appropriate coverage so that when they get injured because they were ‘looking cool’, we all don’t end up paying for them.
Like I said, rules are rules for a reason. People should get the opportunity to break em and learn the hard way.
Helmet? For what, riding a bike? Yeah, wore one. Saw what happened to a dude in the hospital who didn’t. Was a simple thing. Hey, it ain’t gonna save you if you clip something at full speed, you’re still gonna be road pizza, but it’s my head. Heads are kinda important things.
“wrap it before ya tap it”.
Yeah, I’m kinda old school about that. This whole thing about waiting till yer married thing. Works ok for me. I don’t have 17 baby mamas.
Ever work out in the bush? I bet your idea of ‘sun’ is twice a year at the beach so you can brag about your street cred. Yeah, I used to work 4 months of the year way away from civilization.
Don’t smoke myself, too expensive. Do I really want to be dropping a mortgage payment every month just because I like to look like Steve McQueen? Do I care about second hand smoke? Nope, not really.
“In my World it’s your genes that dead end”
Funny that. You support contraception so you’re voluntarily making yourself a dead end. :)
“I will match my Firefighting History to yours ANY DAY, ya moron.”
Haven’t saved anyone’s life yet. I think there’s more to being cool than taking stupid, unnecessary risks.
“If you are a Public Educated Brainwashed Child, I apologize for treating you like an adult. That is the way the world really works. Forgive me, but never forget me.”
Yeah, I’ve seen your kind before. The kind that brags about their time on a harley because you know, ‘harleys are cool’. Street cred is just that street cred.
I don’t have a problem with letting folks live and let live. They want to do the tiny things that tell people that they are outrageously cool like not wearing a seatbelt, then go ahead, and do them.
I’m happy to look totally uncool. Don’t really care much bout that.
TexasTransplant didn’t say anything about a Harley. Pay attention.
Full disclosure, I have a disability that makes fires especially dangerous.
I nearly lost my gf due to a fire that happened when I was away for work. I have to be especially cautious about a fire, because unlike most people, I cannot hear a fire alarm.
When I was there - we had a system set up so that I would likely hear the warning. The problem is - even with the best system - my safety margin in terms of time is drastically reduced.
I am deaf. I am reliant upon someone else knocking on my door to warn me of a fire, which makes me exceptionally vulnerable when I live alone in my own place should a fire start, because I would not hear an alarm.
Basically, the standard stuff does not work for me. Fire Alarm, useless. The numbers are very bad for deaf people in fires, even with the ‘best technology out there’, because we are delayed something like 10 minutes - which is not enough time to get out in a fire.
So - taking all this into accout, my claim is that you need to have a plan. When I have kids, I am going to have to have a plan, because I cannot count on having the usual safety margin to get out to make sure that my kids would get out.
When they are too young, I am going to have to practice checking them to make sure they are out with me. When they are older, we will practice to make sure they get out before me.
If they hear and I do not, I do not want them relying on my bad hearing to get out. I want them relying on themselves when they are old enough.
Why did this fellow not remember about his kid? Because in the heat of the moment, you just do. You don’t have time to think about things. This is why you drill. You drill so you don’t even have to think, you just do. Check in. Grab kiddo 1, grab kiddo 2. Get it so that before you leave the house, that you feel ‘something is wrong’, when you have only one kid.
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