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To: JCBreckenridge; TexasTransplant; dragnet2
Disagree. First lesson of a fire - if you are out do not go back in.

That may be your rule, but all of the many first responders I personally know have put their own lives in jeopardy going into burning buildings, cars, and airplanes whenever they could be of aid to others.

Are you suggesting it’s the motivation of cowardice to follow this rule?

There is not enough information in the article to determine definitively whether it was cowardice, but based on the facts presented it certainly appears to be a major factor.

Real life is not the movies. Sure, it sounds great to run in there and try to save your kid and get back out - but if you run in there and die how does that help anyone?

Your overly simplistic analysis completely neglects the likelihoods involved of the danger to the rescuer and the chance of rescue of the victim. Most people I know would gladly put themselves at some risk to provide others a significant hope. Your faulty absolutist view does not allow for a rescuer to take even a very small risk for an almost certain rescue. That does seem cowardly.

I have two younger brothers. I have had to look after them since they were small. Both my mother and my father would have excoriated me for ever going back inside in a fire for any reason.

Now we can all see where you developed this odd point of view. I would hate to be born into your family. You are lucky to have survived that abject lack of parental and familial self-sacrificial love. I hope you never find yourself in any danger, you would be on your own!

Get the hell out. Get away from the fire. Do whatever you have to do to get out. If it means jumping out the top window and breaking a leg - break the damn leg.

And whatever you do, don't slow down to save someone else! Am I starting to figure you out?

That was our rule with a fire. Don’t look around for anybody else. Get the hell out. Worry about the rest of it - once you are out of the house and safe.

Wow, I was right about you! This along with your earlier advice to never run into a burning home means that you would never incur any risk to help anyone else. This really paints an ugly picture of you as a person. Can you see that?

You are not superman.

And from everything you have posted here, you aren't even a man. I pity you.

92 posted on 06/05/2013 8:34:38 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Ronaldus Magnus

“That may be your rule, but all of the many first responders I personally know have put their own lives in jeopardy going into burning buildings, cars, and airplanes whenever they could be of aid to others.”

Ok. Am I talking about first responders or am I talking about the average person caught in a house fire. I’m talking to the average person caught in a house fire. They need to get out. They are not a first responder - they are not trained to deal with the situation.

“There is not enough information in the article to determine definitively whether it was cowardice, but based on the facts presented it certainly appears to be a major factor.”

Now, that the facts have confirmed that:

1, the firemen already knew that the kid was dead, now, it make sense what the police officer did by saving the life of the father? It’s a damn good thing he did too, because otherwise there would be two funerals and not one.

There’s absolutely nothing cowardly about choosing to accept reality here. Kid was dead. Nothing more could be done.

“Your overly simplistic analysis completely neglects the likelihoods involved of the danger”

Actually, I had the situation pegged. There was exactly zero benefit to him going in and risking his life for someone already dead. No risk was acceptable in this circumstance.

“Most people I know would gladly put themselves at some risk to provide others a significant hope.”

Not with the kid being dead, there’s simply no point in risking someone’s life.

“Your faulty absolutist view does not allow for a rescuer to take even a very small risk for an almost certain rescue.”

‘Certain rescue’? There was certainty, but it wasn’t a rescue.

“Now we can all see where you developed this odd point of view.”

I was trained how to get out. We never had a single fire. God willing never will.

“I would hate to be born into your family.”

Best cause is preventation. Plan for the worst but do what you can to prevent being in the situation in the first place.

“I hope you never find yourself in any danger, you would be on your own!”

Yeah, I had parents who loved me enough to teach me how to be self-reliant in the situation where I was in danger and gave me the skills necessary to look after myself. Yeah, they really didn’t love me at all there.

“And whatever you do, don’t slow down to save someone else! Am I starting to figure you out?”

Like I said, we did drills. Timed drills. I said this exact same thing to my father so he said - well, let’s try it your way. So we did. Fire alarm came, my father went to go check up on me, I went to go check up on my father, my mother on us, my brothers on each other.

By the time we all managed to find the other, we were still in the house and now clustered together. We still had to find the exit of the house and get out.

We didn’t make it in 10 minutes and my dad said, “you’re dead”.

Point driven home.

We did it his way, and we consistantly got everyone out of the house in 10 minutes easily. Everyone knew his job and where to go and where to meet up. Nobody had to stop and figure things out we all knew what to do when it happened.

Escape plans either work or they do not. You don’t have time to fix it if it doesn’t work. It has to be right the first time.

“Can you see that?”

How so? Like I said, escape plans either work or they do not.

“And from everything you have posted here, you aren’t even a man. I pity you.”

Yawn. Ronaldus minimus apparently has forgotten Ronald’s rules about personal attacks.


100 posted on 06/05/2013 9:31:48 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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