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Richard Clarke: Hastings accident “consistent with a car cyber
Hang the Bankers ^ | 6/25/2013 | Clark Kent

Posted on 06/25/2013 1:40:40 PM PDT by KosmicKitty

Former U.S. National Coordinator for Security, Infrastructure Protection, and Counter-terrorism Richard Clarke told The Huffington Post on Monday that the fatal crash of journalist Michael Hastings’ Mercedes C250 coupe last week is “consistent with a car cyber attack.”

“There is reason to believe that intelligence agencies for major powers” — including the United States — know how to remotely seize control of a car,” Clarke said.

On Saturday, Infowars.com posted a video of a talk presented by Dr. KathleenFisher, a program manager for DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, an agency of the United States Department of Defense responsible for the development of new technologies. Fisher admitted that the Pentagon has researched remotely controlling cars through hacking on board computers.

In 2011, Car and Driver magazine published an article substantiating the Pentagon research. “Currently, there’s nothing to stop anyone with malicious intent and some ­computer-programming skills from taking command of your vehicle. After gaining access, a hacker could control everything from which song plays on the radio to whether the brakes work,” writes Keith Barry, citing research conducted by the Center for Automotive Embedded Systems Security, a partnership between the University of California San Diego and the University of Washington.

“What has been revealed as a result of some research at universities is that it’s relatively easy to hack your way into the control system of a car, and to do such things as cause acceleration when the driver doesn’t want acceleration, to throw on the brakes when the driver doesn’t want the brakes on, to launch an air bag,” Clarke told The Huffington Post. “You can do some really highly destructive things now, through hacking a car, and it’s not that hard.”

Clarke was careful not to directly implicate the government in hacking Hastings’ car. “So if there were a cyber attack on the car — and I’m not saying there was,” he said, “I think whoever did it would probably get away with it.”

He also put credence in the FBI’s claim – despite claims to the contrary by associates of the writer – that the agency was not investigating him. “I believe the FBI when they say they weren’t investigating him,” said Clarke. “That was very unusual, and I’m sure they checked very carefully before they said that.”

“I’m not a conspiracy guy. In fact, I’ve spent most of my life knocking down conspiracy theories,” said Clarke. “But my rule has always been you don’t knock down a conspiracy theory until you can prove it [wrong]. And in the case of Michael Hastings, what evidence is available publicly is consistent with a car cyber attack. And the problem with that is you can’t prove it.”

Despite the overwhelming evidence that Michael Hastings was targeted and assassinated for his journalism – most notably his story resulting in the fall of Gen. Stanley McChrystal and remarks on NSA surveillance – the establishment media continues to portray the attack on Hastings as the delusional meanderings of conspiracy theorists. Clarke’s comments serve as the latest pièce de résistance in an unfolding drama revealing just how far the government will go to silence critics and truth tellers.

Prior to his murder, Hastings said the Obama administration had declared war on the press. His desire to go into hiding – expressed in an email mere hours before his assassination – demonstrates the ability of the government to monitor opponents by using a well-developed NSA surveillance grid and take executive action against investigative journalists and others who dare to stand up to the national security state.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: assassination; carcyberattack; hastings; michaelhastings; richardclarke; richardclrke; tinfoilbrigade
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Richard Clarke has a grating personality and an ego that could a stadium all on it's own, but he does know about cyber attacks. So when he says the following, I'm inclined to believe him.

“I’m not a conspiracy guy. In fact, I’ve spent most of my life knocking down conspiracy theories,” said Clarke. “But my rule has always been you don’t knock down a conspiracy theory until you can prove it [wrong]. And in the case of Michael Hastings, what evidence is available publicly is consistent with a car cyber attack. And the problem with that is you can’t prove it.”

1 posted on 06/25/2013 1:40:41 PM PDT by KosmicKitty
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To: KosmicKitty

It beggars belief.


2 posted on 06/25/2013 1:42:31 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
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To: The KG9 Kid

Clarke was careful not to directly implicate the government in hacking Hastings’ car. “So if there were a cyber attack on the car — and I’m not saying there was,” he said, “I think whoever did it would probably get away with it.”


3 posted on 06/25/2013 1:45:01 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: KosmicKitty

Like when the cops controlled the car in Minority Report when Cruise was escaping?


4 posted on 06/25/2013 1:45:02 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: KosmicKitty

I’m not familiar with the specifics, but just about everything in cars that have been built recently is computerized. Some of it is just computer monitoring, but a good bit of it involves computerized control, or the ability to shut things down if the computer thinks there is a problem.


5 posted on 06/25/2013 1:45:59 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: max americana

Onstar.


6 posted on 06/25/2013 1:46:37 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: The KG9 Kid

An few weeks ago I wouldn’t want to believe that the federal government is spying on essentially the entire country, either.


7 posted on 06/25/2013 1:46:59 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: KosmicKitty

Lesson Learned: Get yourself an old-school model from the 60’s or 70’s that has minimal electronics.


8 posted on 06/25/2013 1:48:41 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: KosmicKitty

Clarke is a buffoon


9 posted on 06/25/2013 1:48:52 PM PDT by Homer1
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To: knarf
Clarke was careful not to directly implicate the government in hacking Hastings’ car. “So if there were a cyber attack on the car — and I’m not saying there was,”

"... I'll make the claim anyway with no evidence.", Clarke finished.

10 posted on 06/25/2013 1:49:39 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
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To: Cicero

Google “drive-by-wire”. Just about everything in a modern automobile nowadays is controlled by code.


11 posted on 06/25/2013 1:50:52 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: KosmicKitty

Right out of “Terminator-Rise of the Machines”


12 posted on 06/25/2013 1:51:00 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receilpt.)
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To: KosmicKitty; null and void

All your cars are belong to us.


13 posted on 06/25/2013 1:51:07 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: KosmicKitty

My question is why was he out at 4:30 a.m. when most people are in bed or only out for compelling reasons like catching a plane or getting to an early job.


14 posted on 06/25/2013 1:51:08 PM PDT by libstripper (A)
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To: KosmicKitty

I heard on the news that they’ve unable to do a positive ID on the body found in the wreckage but they should have a toxicology report ready in two weeks. Sounds like they don’t know who burned up in that car but they can tell us whether or not he(or she) was drunk.


15 posted on 06/25/2013 1:51:30 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: KosmicKitty
This could be one of those possible murders which never gets solved (like Vince Foster and Ron Brown). Richard Clarke has to do something to attract attention--no one is interested in hearing him explain that Bush was at fault in 9/11 any more.

In the old pre-high tech days, the bad guys in North by Northwest just poured a lot of booze down Cary Grant's throat. Of course Grant survived that episode because it was near the beginning of the movie and he was the star. But he had to pay the two dollars.

16 posted on 06/25/2013 1:51:44 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Buckeye McFrog

In the land of the blind, the owner of the 67 Dodge Dart will be king.


17 posted on 06/25/2013 1:52:00 PM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: KosmicKitty; maggief; hoosiermama; RummyChick

This afternoon Shep did a segment on this. The friend of Hastings who got the weird email, was shown in an interview and he said Hastings normally drove like a grandmother.

It was interesting to me that Shep did such a lengthy segment on it- including the statements by Richard Clarke.

Also today Hastings wife tweeted he was NOT working on the story abbout Kelly/Petraeus.


18 posted on 06/25/2013 1:53:27 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Homer1

(From the article) :”Despite the overwhelming evidence that Michael Hastings was targeted and assassinated for his journalism – most notably his story resulting in the fall of Gen. Stanley McChrystal and remarks on NSA surveillance – the establishment media continues to portray the attack on Hastings as the delusional meanderings of conspiracy theorists. “

Right !
and I am sure that the FBI is present anytime that there is an automobile accident at 4:30 AM , by someone “not if interest” .
It’s just a coincidence !
It’s just a coincidence !


19 posted on 06/25/2013 1:53:34 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.” - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Cicero
There are people worried about the day when cars will drive themselves and the fun of driving will be gone.

For these high end cars that can take turns at formerly unimaginable speeds, the computers have already been in control for some time. As the turn is made the computers go into high gear fine-tuning the suspension, breaking, etc.

The person at the wheel that thinks he is taking those turns is no different than the baby in the backseat with the fake dashboard, steering wheel, and plastic horn.

20 posted on 06/25/2013 1:55:16 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I’m a firm believer in Occum’s Razor - the simplest answer is most likely the correct answer.

But from what I’ve been reading about Hastings in the weeks before the accident and the descriptions of the accident itself, the simplest answer does seem to be that someone wanted Hastings gone, permanently.


21 posted on 06/25/2013 1:55:54 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: KosmicKitty
OK, it's possible.

But if it's possible, why wouldn't it be done in a way that would evoke less suspicion?

And, if it is possible remotely control someone's car, that doesn't mean it's possible to ensure an outcome like the one in this case.

22 posted on 06/25/2013 1:56:56 PM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

My Scion FRS really helps you keep from getting in trouble when you try to drift. But the REALLY cool thing is that with a push of a button you turn the whole system off and drift to your heart’s content.

You gotta know what you’re doing though. You CAN get in trouble with that system turned off.


23 posted on 06/25/2013 1:59:15 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: KosmicKitty

I’m a firm believer in Occum’s Razor - the simplest answer is most likely the correct answer.

But from what I’ve been reading about Hastings in the weeks before the accident and the descriptions of the accident itself, the simplest answer does seem to be that someone wanted Hastings gone, permanently.


It’s exactly how I see it.


24 posted on 06/25/2013 2:00:13 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: SE Mom

“Also today Hastings wife tweeted he was NOT working on the story abbout Kelly/Petraeus.”

Right, it was probably bigger - much bigger, to result in his being whacked like this.


25 posted on 06/25/2013 2:01:02 PM PDT by fivecatsandadog (Let's not be so open-minded that our brains fall out.)
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To: Homer1
Clarke is a buffoon

Yes, yes he is. And a biased buffoon at that.

But I wouldn't throw away what he says with out some consideration first.

Hastings accident looks like someone who was determined to end their life. But I haven't seen anything about Hastings that would peg him as suicidal in the time before the accident.

I do see actions by Hastings that could have pissed people off. Maybe he just pissed off the wrong people.

26 posted on 06/25/2013 2:01:39 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: KosmicKitty

If you’re going to kill someone for political reasons, I’d think you’d want it to be quite and deniable. You’d inject him with flu and pneumonia. You’d create a gas leak in his house and spark it with an old appliance. At the very least you’d do the old hit and run. You don’t do something spectacular. If you do, then you’re sending all sorts of messages. In Russia, a high value industrialist was killed with radioactive cesium in his telephone head set. Now, how many people can obtain or safely handle radioactive cesium? Only somebody government connected. So, that not only killed the guy, but sent a valuable message to others who might be inclined to not tow the line.

Who would “they” want to send a message to? Other journalists? What, there’s somebody threatening to publish Obama’s hidden records? Other journalists would kill them first.


27 posted on 06/25/2013 2:02:18 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: KosmicKitty

I’ll buy into the possibility his car was remotely controlled and possibly involving a drone overhead. Entirely plausible.


28 posted on 06/25/2013 2:03:17 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: Gen.Blather

Maybe Hastings got Breitbarted.


29 posted on 06/25/2013 2:05:25 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: King Moonracer

Indeed. Hold on to those old cars, free of electronics.


30 posted on 06/25/2013 2:07:06 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: KosmicKitty

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3035479/posts?page=28#28


31 posted on 06/25/2013 2:07:09 PM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: KosmicKitty
"...the establishment media continues to portray the attack on Hastings as the delusional meanderings of conspiracy theorists."

Questions:

* Who sponsors the media?

* Who are the most valued constituents behind politicians implementing the programs desired by those constituents?


32 posted on 06/25/2013 2:07:55 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: King Moonracer

Yep, I am thinking my Land Rover Defender is a keeper.

PLus, I can run it on fuel oil or cooking oil.


33 posted on 06/25/2013 2:09:50 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Dole are sure losers. No more!)
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To: KosmicKitty
Do you watch Person of Interest? Season 2, episode 14.

The Good Guys hacked the hacker and prevented a “Hastings”. ; )

http://www.cbs.com/shows/person_of_interest/episodes/207177

34 posted on 06/25/2013 2:10:56 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Chgogal

Exactly


35 posted on 06/25/2013 2:15:25 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: KosmicKitty
The way that thing exploded I think a world-wide recall must be in order!

With all the safety features in today's modern car, this inferno seems unlikely.

36 posted on 06/25/2013 2:19:18 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Gen.Blather
...you don’t knock down a conspiracy theory until you can prove it [wrong]...

When starting with the assumption that conspiracy theories are true until proven otherwise, there is no more argument.

Meanwhile, the rest of reality demands extraordinary proof for extraordinary claims.

37 posted on 06/25/2013 2:19:36 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

“When starting with the assumption that conspiracy theories are true until proven otherwise, there is no more argument.”

A Russian friend told me, “You can’t have a conspiracy in America. Nobody here can keep a secret. They all want everybody to know that they’re important enough to be in on a secret. So, book deal, movie deal, 15 minutes of fame.”


38 posted on 06/25/2013 2:22:03 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: schm0e

Maybe to silence other journalist or anyone critical..


39 posted on 06/25/2013 2:25:03 PM PDT by hope (Whom the Son sets free is free inded!)
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To: LyinLibs

Exactly.

Too many odd events. yes, it’s possible that they are all just coincidences, but the changes of that keep declining with every coincidental event that occurs


40 posted on 06/25/2013 2:26:13 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: TexasCajun
With all the safety features in today's modern car, this inferno seems unlikely.

That's what makes me wonder about this accident.

41 posted on 06/25/2013 2:28:28 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: KosmicKitty

As someone with a little background in software, taking control of the vehicle is plausible. But I’ll get back to that in a moment.

We’re all pretty sure Hastings was up to something someone wasn’t happy about. That’s made clear by his electronic trail and his associates. I also haven’t seen the media write this off as a conspiracy theory to that degree either (anyone calling MSNBC media doesn’t belong on this site). We have to also remember that many in the media are just scared too - but don’t expect to hear that on the evening news.

Taking Hastings out in this fashion sends a message not because of the means, but simply because it happened, and most suspect it wasn’t an accident.

With that said, if you can remotely start, stop, unlock an get an email report from your vehicle, digital logic dictates it can be controller remotely if you know how to get in. However, there are overrides even in the latest vehicles or within the driver, e.g. emergency brakes, or simply brushing against other vehicles causing enough damage to slow yourself down.

On another note, I remember being told by someone whose parents survived tyranny that one of the hallmarks of a tyrannical state is when journalists become targets of the state, then start vanishing.

Just sayin’.


42 posted on 06/25/2013 2:32:10 PM PDT by jimjohn
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To: KosmicKitty

We had a long thread on this last night that got deleted.

Cyber attacking a car is very doable. It’s been done many times in tests.

That said, this recent revelation may be a Psy Ops to get people focused on this “outlandish” conspiracy in order to cover up something else.

There are easier ways to Breitbart someone.

As noted on Shep’s show, Hastings drove like a Grandma.

Btw, the body has been identified. According to the cornoner - by fingerprints.


43 posted on 06/25/2013 2:41:40 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Biggs has supposedly contacted Mercedes to find out if their cars normally blow up like that and eject the engine like that.

Has he had a response, yet?


44 posted on 06/25/2013 2:45:52 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: cuban leaf

Question: What is the liklihood of a car bursting into flame if it hits a tree? I don’t think it would burst into flame to burn the body beyond recognition - unless it was “helped” to burst into flame.


45 posted on 06/25/2013 2:48:19 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: cripplecreek
Onstar

I rent quite a few cars at a local agency and a couple years ago, one of the guys behind the counter was telling me about a recent auto theft..... The fellow behind the wheel of the stolen car pulled on to a freeway with a cop in an unmarked car somewhere not too far behind him. A few exits down, the car thief pulled onto the off ramp but got caught in some bumper to bumper traffic. Once the guy was at a dead stop, the cop radioed to somewhere and onstar shut the engine down. The cop basically walked up to the car before the guy had even opened the door and arrested him.

46 posted on 06/25/2013 2:48:27 PM PDT by hecticskeptic
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To: KosmicKitty

“know how to remotely seize control of a car”

Total bullsh*t. Steering is not controlled by the computer nor is braking nor is gear selection including neutral.


47 posted on 06/25/2013 2:50:10 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: KosmicKitty

He wasn’t just driving fast for fun. He believed he was being chased.


48 posted on 06/25/2013 2:57:17 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Oh, I'm hip. Believe me.

We're talking about automotive electronics here, though.

49 posted on 06/25/2013 2:57:51 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
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To: Cicero
"I’m not familiar with the specifics..."

I'm a little familiar Cicero, and believe that only steering assist (power steering) has an indirect connection with computer control, and that is indirect - cut off engine power and the power steering assist goes away, as anyone who has lost power on a hairpin turn can attest. The power steering pump is driver by the engine drive belt. Turning off the engine remotely is probably quite possible in a new car. There has been talk of putting engine cutoff capability into new cars for use by police.

My wife, who clearly never listens to me and watches CNN, told me of a video she saw on CNN report on the Hastings auto crash, including interviews with witnesses, none of whom spoke much English. They described another car, perhaps an SUV, racing next to Hastings’ Mercedes, both at high speed, and forcing it off the road. My wife doesn't know enough to have a position on the politics surrounding Michael Hastings. She said the CNN announcer pointed viewers at the CNN Web site, but when my wife looked, the video and report were not to be found. Again, I have clear mistrust of our government but my wife doesn't; she wouldn't invent a CNN report

If anyone saw the CNN interview, or saw a video which supposedly showed the two cars (I guessed from a local video surveillance camera, but didn't see it myself) it would certainly be relevant. One of the allegations floating around is that Hasting’s next expose involved the Wahhabi Muslim Director of our CIA, John Brennan, who was certainly in the thick of the cover-up of the Benghazi CIA operation, and may have been running that operation. His exposure would certainly have precluded his appointment as CIA Director, particularly after his exposure as a Wahhabi convert, and the murder of his employee for "cauterizing" Obama's State Department (passport) documents. Anyone making a living writing exposes should have remote backup, as Hasting’s may have had, but which we will probably never learn about.

50 posted on 06/25/2013 2:59:57 PM PDT by Spaulding
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