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I Can No Longer Tolerate Rush Limbaugh Misrepresenting Medicare
self post | July 9, 2013 | Bob Ireland

Posted on 07/09/2013 11:15:43 AM PDT by Bob Ireland

For some years I have listened to Rush Limbaugh, and heard him picture Medicare recipients as some sort of ungrateful leaches sucking off of the public dole. He characterizes them as resisting having to pay a dime for their medical coverage.

Being a fan of Rush, I have tolerated this misguidance on his part and sent him e-mails [I am 24-7 member] trying to save him from being caught in a 'lie'. He has never responded to these e-mails - for whatever reason.

Then yesterday - Monday - he mentioned a story about the Congress considering a bill to make Medicare recipients pay 'a few pennies' for their medical coverage - and the bill going down to defeat. I simply cannot remain silent in the face of this total fabrication.

I have been on Medicare for 15 years. My Medicare Part B presently costs me a little pocket change short of $100 a month - a little less that $1,200 a year. That money is deducted out of my Social Security check before I ever receive it. That benefit offers to pay 80% of my allowable medical bills, and I am responsible for the other 20%.

In my case - since I look at government programs with a jaundiced eye - I have signed my Medicare obligations over to a private HMO [called an Advantage Plan]. However, Obama's health care plan has drained the Medicare treasury by hundreds of billions of dollars; therefore the future of the program is in question. In some states I understand the Advantage Plans have already been canceled. Many doctors and hospitals are trying to figure how to get free of Medicare since the Medicare payments are either delayed, diminished or missing altogether. I still cannot be sure my HMO will be part of Medicare next year.

BUT, back to the main theme of this article: How many FReepers pay $1,200 a year for their medical insurance? Probably some do; likely most do not. I am not complaining about paying for my health care - I voluntarily and happily pay the premium.

Furthermore, if it becomes a matter of saving the dollar from total collapse I would accept the cancellation of Medicare altogether. Just stop charging me $100 a month and send the program into the Bermuda Triangle. I have led a fruitful life. HOWEVER, under Obama's healthcare program, that cannot happen. My Medicare could be cancelled and I could be set with the old Indian squaw by the side of the road to waste away - but I would still have to pay my health care premium in order to provide health care for younger folk.

Would someone who can get through to Rush Limbaugh get these points across to him - if he is really interested - so that people can understand the truth about Medicare - not a bunch of myths and misrepresentations.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Society
KEYWORDS: abortion; clarity; deathpanels; medicare; mockingbird; obamacare; obamacaremedicare; obamamedicare; oneparty; resistsimpeachment; rush; rushlimbaugh; sellsredblue; zerocare
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Seriously. When I was working I paid about exactly that much for the best insurance in the world, BlueCross, full service no questions asked. I consider that a bargain compared to restrictive Medicare, not to mention the $400/mo estimated by a Brit who was defending his NHS just after complaining he couldn’t get a simple endoscope for several months.


51 posted on 07/09/2013 11:37:24 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: steve86

Maybe Rush said it while he was bashing Gays/sarc.


52 posted on 07/09/2013 11:37:28 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
***that still doesn't change the fact that Medicare is losing money***

As I have already said, then cancel the program altogether and stop charging me for it... I can face it as a man!

53 posted on 07/09/2013 11:38:08 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Bob Ireland

Let me put it another way: are you grateful that I am helping subsidize your health insurance, when I have none at the moment?


54 posted on 07/09/2013 11:38:27 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Sparticus

Correct, and ya said it better than I ever could.


55 posted on 07/09/2013 11:38:54 AM PDT by Theoria
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To: arista
You are still getting a boatload of free money from the government.
Oh yeah, he's just raking in that free money on Medicare.
First of all, what the hell is he supposed to do? The law says he has to take it.
More importantly, he paid for Medicare (as all of us on Medicare did) for all the decades he worked. And now has to continue to pay monthly premiums for it.
WTF did you come up with this boatload of free money?
56 posted on 07/09/2013 11:39:20 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Bob Ireland

My insurance cost was $2500 a year last year. I cancelled it because I am now on my wife’s insurance. And mine was cheap compared to others. The company paid almost $10,000 for my insurance.

$1200 a year is cheap nowadays.


57 posted on 07/09/2013 11:39:26 AM PDT by packrat35 (Admit it! We are almost ready to be called a police state!)
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To: Bob Ireland
FReepers pay $1,200 a year for their medical insurance

Medical, dental and "deductables" paid by Mrs llevrok and me in 2012 was $17,000 (premiums were 10K) We were hit with a 20% premium increase in 2013 (due to coverage for pre-exisiting conditions mandated by the boy emperor).

Pardon me if I call medicare people freeloaders, but in comparison, they are.

And so are the 45+% of income earners who pay ZERO income taxes.

And now that SOB Obama is giving a waiver to people who work for businesses of 50 or more until 2015? What do you think will happen to my premiums in 2014 as a result (as unemployed" retirees?).

Me bitter? Naw!

58 posted on 07/09/2013 11:39:58 AM PDT by llevrok (We are in a new Cold War. At home.)
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To: JimSEA

Well, I’ve got to go now and get about dying.

Andy always said, “You either get busy living or you get busy dying...”


59 posted on 07/09/2013 11:40:03 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Bob Ireland

I am not on Medicare. I am on private health insurance that I pay for through my employer. My plan runs just under $3,000 per year.


60 posted on 07/09/2013 11:40:16 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: oh8eleven

“More importantly, he paid for Medicare (as all of us on Medicare did) for all the decades he worked.”

So exempt us from paying into the program today, since what you paid in should cover you in your retirement. We both know that isn’t true.


61 posted on 07/09/2013 11:40:57 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: memyselfandi59
***$1200 per year is cheap***

I did not say it is not cheap... people read stuff into this post that I did not say. Still, I know there are many who pay nothing for their health care, the rest I have no idea. If you like, go campaign for the cancellation of Medicare... I don't mind.

62 posted on 07/09/2013 11:41:53 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Bob Ireland

This graph shows that the average man and woman (average defined in the study as average income over their working lives and living to the average life expectancy) who start receiving benefits in 2010 get over 3 times more in benefits than they pay in to the system! Of importance, the study accounts for inflation by calculating all past taxes and future payments in 2010 dollars to provide an accurate comparison.

If the notion that Medicare recipients are simply "getting back what they paid in" is false then where is the money coming from? Simply, the excess received is being borrowed from younger generations and the cost is more than we can bear.

Medicare Part A has been running in the red since 2008.

63 posted on 07/09/2013 11:42:18 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Bob Ireland

Maybe the issue with medicare is that it creates a false safety net people depend too much upon so they never have incentive to plan ahead when they are younger and working....

Then when it goes away or gets cut or services reduc ed it is all like, OMG how did this happen....

Everyone is wanting the rewards of being an Ant when they grow older into grasshoppers.... Instead they are living the grasshopper life when they are young because there is no demand for them to be an Ant.


64 posted on 07/09/2013 11:42:22 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Exactly.

Medicare covers the retired and elderly, Medicaid covers the poor. Those that remain are the working and/or young to middle aged uninsured.

A large portion of the later group might choose not to be covered even though the option is available to them. They might be young and “invincible” and figure they’ll just pay out of pocket since they are healthy. Really no crisis here with these folks because they choose to not be covered. The rest?


66 posted on 07/09/2013 11:43:27 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: WestTexasWend

Look, Rush Limbaugh is poorly educated and gets a lot of things wrong, but he articulates a point of view that is worth hearing. I wouldn’t take his advice on science but he is independent enough to call foul of the deceitful nature of the global warming cabal. He is ignorant about medicine but smart enough to see how it is being debased to serve political ends. He isn’t great but he is pretty good, and the two don’t have to be enemies.


67 posted on 07/09/2013 11:43:28 AM PDT by Old North State
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To: Bob Ireland

“BUT, back to the main theme of this article: How many FReepers pay $1,200 a year for their medical insurance? Probably some do; likely most do not.”

So the “main theme” of your article is that you think the $1200 a year you pay medical insurance is very expensive?

If so, your entire argument is based on a misconception.

Realizing that might help you understand the responses you’re getting.


68 posted on 07/09/2013 11:44:36 AM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Bob Ireland
How many FReepers pay $1,200 a year for their medical insurance?

I know several people paying more than that per month for their coverage. If one considers an employers cost for healthcare to be a part of an employee's pay (as they should), then most everyone with healthcare is paying far in excess of $1200/year.

69 posted on 07/09/2013 11:44:53 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Bob Ireland

I pay 40 years into a plan, I am not a free loader. I am an investor.


70 posted on 07/09/2013 11:45:05 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Bob Ireland

Rep. Dan Rostenkowski Running from Seniors

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TboXsOuMQGU

THIS is what Rush was talking about yesterday.


71 posted on 07/09/2013 11:45:11 AM PDT by CMailBag
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To: Bob Ireland

Meh, Limbaugh’s been a fool for years. Haven’t listened to him in a VERY long time. Just another “news entertainment” clown.


72 posted on 07/09/2013 11:46:18 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Bob Ireland

Medicare is a financially untenable program run by an inept, corrupt government. For services rendered it is a stingy as you can get.


73 posted on 07/09/2013 11:46:43 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: homegroan
***My parents did not “leech” off of Medicare and paid for premiums***

Thank you for being able to read this post... apparently an unusual talent, eh?

74 posted on 07/09/2013 11:46:45 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Bob Ireland
And refund me the money that I (and my employer) have put into during my lifetime of work. Could be as much as a couple hundred grand.

Bottom line: it is a government run ponzi scheme.

75 posted on 07/09/2013 11:47:06 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Bob Ireland

It’s not a question of whether you are a bad person, it’s a question of whether Medicare is a good program. By the way, you didn’t personally design Medicare did you?


76 posted on 07/09/2013 11:47:16 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Democrat_media

“..government doesn’t work..”

Amen Amen

Charity/alms no gov


77 posted on 07/09/2013 11:47:24 AM PDT by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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To: JCBreckenridge

“If boomers were as conservative as their parents”, The “Greatest Generation” wasn’t all that “conservative”.


78 posted on 07/09/2013 11:48:06 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Alex Murphy
***What did it cost the taxpayer?***

What did it cost me for years when I worked? Of course, that has nothing to do with this post.

79 posted on 07/09/2013 11:48:42 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Bob Ireland

So if have been on the system for 15 years you didn’t pay a DIME into the Medicare Perscription coverage portion!

Thanks for Playing along. Now if you would thank all your Freeper friends who some pay 10 times more for their own insurance AND pay yours thru the Medicare tax I am sure a few would appreciate it.


80 posted on 07/09/2013 11:49:55 AM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: Sparticus
***you have to see that Medicare is really just an old-age welfare benefit***

Then please campaign to cancel the program... I don't mind. Just have them stop charging me when they stop the benefits.

81 posted on 07/09/2013 11:50:11 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Bob Ireland
How many FReepers pay $1,200 a year for their medical insurance?

Haven't had to pay for health insurance out in the market lately, have you? I pay twice that and I have a company that provides reasonably priced coverage.

82 posted on 07/09/2013 11:50:22 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Bob Ireland
private insurance company [like AARP (shudder)]
Wrong. AARP is in NO WAY an insurance company.
Medicare Advantage programs (I'm on one too) are run by private insurance companies and supported by gov't money. I'm 95% sure Supplemental Plans are as well, but I'd have to research them agian to be sure.
The Supplemental Plans run from $50 a month to over $400 a month depending on a number of factors.
83 posted on 07/09/2013 11:50:26 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Bob Ireland

Part b? What about Part a? Do you pay a dime for that?? I do! I pay 2.9% of my income to that welfare crap!


84 posted on 07/09/2013 11:50:32 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: autumnraine
You are neither. You paid into it with a gun pointed at your head (figuratively speaking). Now the criminals who did it won't admit that your money is gone.

Sucks to be you, and me, by extension . . . because I'm being asked to carry "your" Ponzi "investment" forward.

85 posted on 07/09/2013 11:50:42 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 7thson
***There should be no Medicare***

Then please campaign to end the program... I do not mind.

86 posted on 07/09/2013 11:51:57 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: US Navy Vet

And yet, they are still more conservative than boomers. Which, speaks volumes.


87 posted on 07/09/2013 11:52:17 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: Sparticus

Really, anyone who has a serious illness/surgery/hospitalization gets back more benefits than they pay into ANY insurance plan


88 posted on 07/09/2013 11:52:32 AM PDT by SendShaqtoIraq (Teresa Davis)
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To: Bob Ireland
I've been listening to Rush since 1989 and haven't heard him call Medicare recipients 'leeches' but I may have missed it as I can't listen 15 hours a week.

I'm also a Medicare recipient and wish I weren't. I had good coverage with Blue Shield for a reasonable cost but was forced to take Medicare because Blue Shield drops you at 65, so it's Medicare or nothing. Although I'm healthy with no chronic medical conditions, it would be foolish not to take the Medicare coverage, such as it is. However, because I have little choice in the matter, I certainly don't consider myself a 'leech'. The Medicare coverage isn't free and I have no say in the premiums.

If Rush uses that term and means it, he is badly misinformed, which I doubt. Of course when you make 40 million or so every year like Rush does - and I don't begrudge it to him - it's going to be hard to relate to someone who has to take the government medical insurance or have nothing. That may be the crux of the problem if Limbaugh actually refers to Medicare recipients as 'leeches'.

89 posted on 07/09/2013 11:52:47 AM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: Bob Ireland
Then please campaign to cancel the program....

Given the premise of your first post is true, isn't that what Rush is doing?

90 posted on 07/09/2013 11:53:02 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: JCBreckenridge

You are UNEDUCATED!


91 posted on 07/09/2013 11:53:06 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Bob Ireland

“How many FReepers pay $1,200 a year for their medical insurance?”

Are you really that disconnected with reality? Even when employers pay for some of the medical insurance costs, many families pay that EACH MONTH.


92 posted on 07/09/2013 11:53:17 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Bob Ireland
I have been on Medicare for 15 years. My Medicare Part B presently costs me a little pocket change short of $100 a month - a little less that $1,200 a year. That money is deducted out of my Social Security check before I ever receive it. That benefit offers to pay 80% of my allowable medical bills, and I am responsible for the other 20%.

Your Medicare Part B premiums only cover 25% of the actual costs. By law, the remaining 75% comes from General Revenues. This represents a subsidy by current taxpayers.

93 posted on 07/09/2013 11:54:19 AM PDT by kabar
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To: US Navy Vet

Uneducated and ignorant too! Oh my.

No, no I’m not.

You say, “we paid for it, we should get what we paid”.

So then, exempt everyone under 65 since what you paid into it should be sufficient for you to live off in your retirement.


94 posted on 07/09/2013 11:54:57 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: Bob Ireland
You are in over your head... study the difference of Medicare from Medicaid - a welfare program.

35 posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2013 2:32:44 PM by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)

I don't Care who you are, that there is FUNNY. The above comment comes from somone who never paid a dime in the perscription Coverage part of Medicare.

Bob, Care to compare what percentage of your income you had to hand over in SSI taxes during your lifetime? How about Dollar amounts. I guarentee you at 35 years old I had already paid in a Larger Percentage and 3-5 times what you paid. Thanks Bob. I think we all pretty much get your drift. Something like, BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I Want my FREE STUFF!

95 posted on 07/09/2013 11:55:11 AM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: JCBreckenridge
Hey, don't get porky with me, it ain't my feckin' system.
What never gets dragged into the light of day is that all these FAILED social programs like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and Øbama Care, were all made into law via Democrat administrations.
96 posted on 07/09/2013 11:55:23 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: autumnraine

“I pay 40 years into a plan, I am not a free loader. I am an investor.”

Would you like to get rich? I discovered this fantastic Multi-Level Marketing program that you can’t lose money on.

Message me for details, we don’t let too many join so as to keep the profits high.

(sarcasm in good fun, no offense intended)


97 posted on 07/09/2013 11:56:01 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: oh8eleven

So exempt everyone under 65. Simple. :)


98 posted on 07/09/2013 11:56:21 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: Bob Ireland

Out of MY paycheck comes SS and Medicare taxes.
I get nothing now nor will I get anything later for it.
People who did not earn my money take it.

I pay property taxes for garbage built years ago when YOU floated bonds because you didn’t want to pay for it.
I’m stuck paying for retired municipal employees who milked the system that YOU supported for years.
Our most-deserving uniformed military are awarded a bare pittance compared to what they have EARNED!

Whatever you pay now for your “insurance” is not enough. You are receiving welfare. Face it, accept it and ST*U about it, except to say thank you.

Sick to death of greedy geezers complaining. YOU ARE THE REASON for most of the current problems.

Go ahead and flame. You’ve been blowing hot gas for years.


99 posted on 07/09/2013 11:56:58 AM PDT by Macoozie (1) Win the Senate 2) Repeal Obamacare 3) Impeach Roberts)
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To: HotHunt
***You can reject Part B Medicare and just go with the the free Part A inpatient coverage. My wife and I are both veterans***

Thank you for clarifying this about Part A and Part B. I did not wish to get too detailed, because I am not talking about what about 90% of the posters on this thread keep babbling about.

Veterans should not have to pay for healthcare - especially service-related disabilities. As for the rest of us: go ahead and cancel the whole thing - and stop charging me for it if you do that.

100 posted on 07/09/2013 11:57:35 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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