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Brought home a new puppy yesterday; he's got Parvo
22 July 2013 | Rides a Red Horse

Posted on 07/22/2013 2:29:33 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse

The wife and I just brought home a German Shepherd pup yesterday. He seemed "shy" but later I realized he was lethargic. He ate a bit but not like what you would expect from a two month old Shepherd.

We took him to the Vet today to have him checked out and he tested positive for Parvo. He hadn't started puking yet and they put him on IVs so with a little luck he should recover.

Our other dog is up to date on his shots and the cats are supposed to be immune. I went around and disinfected everything he touched. The vet said they have a 90% success rate so it looks good.

I contacted the family who sold us the pup. They called back and let me know the last one from the litter died.

Does anyone here have experience with Parvo?


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To: Jean S

Gee, do you think it’s possible the poster had to go to work or do some other important action that would not allow him to be online? Give him a break.


51 posted on 07/22/2013 3:49:41 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: Bigg Red

1 minute after posting his article?
No.


52 posted on 07/22/2013 3:54:01 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Our Shepard pup was in the exact same situation
6 weeks old and seemed healthy when brought home
My wife picked him because he seemed more calm than the other pups

After he stopped eating and shed a lot of weight and a couple of expensive vet visits that traumatized him I researched for a course of action

As he lay on his side dying, I put a wash cloth under his head and dripped Pedia-lite into his mouth with a turkey baster

He began to swallow

40 millimeters at a time, 15 minutes apart for about the first few hours
I started dribbling more and more at greater interval 15 minutes at first then 30 minutes an hour then two keeping the same amount per hour (120 millimeters)

Schenker (our Shep) is 1 1/2 years old and 100 per cent healthy
A fine addition to our household and the extra effort due to him in his most frail condition makes me appreciate him that much more


53 posted on 07/22/2013 4:00:19 PM PDT by daku
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To: daku
Great advice. That steady, drip of fluid probably provided just enough to rehydrate without triggering the vomiting response.

I adopted a puppy (destined for the dinner table) in Korea, but sadly it died of Parvo, and it was heartbreaking to watch. My daughter adopted a shepherd mix at Ft. Knox which also had Parvo. The vet gave up on the pup, but allowed my daughter to take home the equipment for IV fluid replenishment, and the dog survived with her around-the-clock care. I have it now in front of me. I’ve also found that if you dab a little honey on a dehydrated, sick dog’s gums it will help the dog to retain the fluids.

54 posted on 07/22/2013 4:14:36 PM PDT by binreadin
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

A quality breeder, one who cares about his/her reputation will either split or fully pay the cost for treatment. Parvo is completely treatable, but it requires dedication to the cause. There can be a lot of ups and downs with it, but most pups make a full recovery.

I had an old English mastiff as a child who came to us from the breeder with Parvo. Sight unseen, they called our vet, explained who they were and ordered the vet to bill them for any costs incurred for the pup’s treatment. He lived a very healthy, happy 11 years with no recurrence, but it took almost 9 months for him to fully recover.

IV fluids are often the only recourse, as you can’t force the little guy to eat or drink. I personally would not give the dog back to the breeder, as they’ll likely let the dog die if they didn’t care enough to check it for Parvo when they adopted it out. If you’re not completely attached, some SPCA branches, HSUS, and even some very humanitarian vets will take the pup off your hands and see it to better health.

You have options. If you’re a soft-hearted person, you can ensure the pup sees better health if you do some research.


55 posted on 07/22/2013 4:18:25 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Yes. Our mutt, Dub, came to us with Parvo. That was 6 yrs. ago; she did fine with treatment. Was very sick at first, but a few days at the vets and she got well. Healthy ever since.


56 posted on 07/22/2013 4:21:37 PM PDT by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: SumProVita

SumProVita has given you good advice...Listen to your Vet. Several years ago I adopted a three month old Rottweiler from a pound. She exhibited the very same symptoms as your little guy. She was at the vets for about 8 days following a diagnosis of Parvo, but survived. She got to be about 100 pounds and lived to be 17.
Vet suggested when I brought her home to start her on warm Cream of Wheat, which I did. Her energy quickly increased. I will tell you one downside, her eyesight suffered a little that the vet said was a result of the Parvo, but it it was never a serious problem. She will always be my favorite dog.
Please give your little guy a chance. These dogs that start out with problems always reward their owners.


57 posted on 07/22/2013 4:28:31 PM PDT by WesternMA
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To: rarestia
If you’re not completely attached, some SPCA branches, HSUS, and even some very humanitarian vets will take the pup off your hands and see it to better health.

One tiny correction, HSUS is the Humane Society of the United States. They do not operate a single companion animal shelter, have nothing to do with local humane societies, nor do they act as an umbrella organization dishing out money to the local groups. They are a rich animal rights group taking money from people who think their main mission is to provide disaster relief or help shelter doggies and kitties. They then turn around and go after any and all animal agriculture and use.

Animal ownership is problematic for the hard-core among their upper management because dogs and cats eat meat. They came out with a vegetarian dog food a few year ago--not making this up. Unsurprisingly, it tanked. Here's the latest scam.

ASPCA (American Society For the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals)--not to be confused with local SPCAs--is not much better.
58 posted on 07/22/2013 4:40:39 PM PDT by missycocopuffs
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Fingers and paws crossed for you pup. Hoping for a full recovery for him with only a mild hit to your wallet. Good luck!


59 posted on 07/22/2013 4:42:23 PM PDT by missycocopuffs
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

My daughter got it once. No kidding. She was lethargic and run down. Put her on antibiotics and after a few days she was fine.

My guess is that the vets will get it under control. They will need to get her fluids up, and make sure she is getting enough nutrition.

Parvo sucks, but it is very treatable.


60 posted on 07/22/2013 4:44:08 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: shotgun

That’s said. Dogs our are partners and friends. Best listeners.


61 posted on 07/22/2013 4:45:15 PM PDT by airedale
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
Hi, You said you disinfected everything the dog touched but didn't indicate how. Parvovirus can be killed with a 12:1 water/bleach solution and you should use it on all floors, patios, that can handle the bleach. If you have plastic food/water bowls get rid of them and get new ones. Your vaccinated dog may still react to the virus, albeit mildly. Ask your vet if he/she recommends a preemptive treatment of penicillin and keep a close eye on him/her. Please keep in mind that Parvo can survive freezing temperatures so that should give you an idea of how hardy this nasty virus is. You have to treat clothing you were wearing when you were in contact with the infected dog, as well.

I hope your puppy pulls through and your other dog is okay, as well. Please keep us posted!

62 posted on 07/22/2013 5:03:52 PM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

We were informed that he hadn’t eaten much since Thursday (we picked him up Sunday). He ate a bit for us but not much. We already had an appointment set up for today for shots and check up.

The vet thinks he’ll be alright but it might take a day or two.


63 posted on 07/22/2013 5:12:01 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
Do I have any experiences with Parvo? You mean the 32nanometer icosahedral DNA virus that takes as few as 8 virions to establish disease and cause diarrhea and cellular death? In 1978 early Summer I was a vet tech working in a virology lab when the first cases appeared. We knew it was a novel virus but could not reproduce it in the lab and thereby fulfill Koch's Postulates. Someone in the lab thought to try and grow the virus on just about every cell line we had and finally we were able to grow it on Feline Kidney cells which was the first inkling that it was a virus from a feline mutation. Under the electron microscope we saw the viral particles en masse which were the smallest we'd seen at the time. The virus killed puppies and old dogs also and there at first were three types of Parvo, two enteric and one cardiac. The cardiac version killed the dogs quickly and targeted the myocardial muscles but after a while it disappeared. The two enteric versions, KF 11 and KF strain, were identified and are still active today. Every once in awhile an unlearned vet discovers there are more than one strain and proclaims to his clients that the dog owners need to vaccinate against the new strain. In reality, the newer vaccines already contain the ability to protect against the strains that the Parvo produces. Parvo replicates so quickly that literally millions of viral particles are produced. Also note that Parvo requires a fast growing cell cycle to reproduce and is why it is lethal to young fast growing dogs...just like the German Shepherd. It is postulated that Rottweilers, Dobermans, Weimereiners, German Shepherds, and a few other breeds have a novel receptor that makes the infection of Parvo likely.

Treatment against Parvo requires maintaining homeostasis. This means treating against septicaemia, dehydration, shock, and any other manifestation that is presented by the rapid cellular death of the alimentary tract cells...from the mouth to the anus. The absolute worst manifestation is the protein losing enteropathy that requires whole blood transfusions, volume expanders and constant electrolyte monitoring. I hate this form because it is the most formidable. Our success rate is around 75%. Nothing makes me happier than to send a puppy home that has almost met the reaper with this disease and nothing is sadder and disheartening after I have worked so hard and still lose a puppy.

Vaccination is the key for some but not the whole answer to the equation. Some dogs still come down with Parvo after a series of vaccinations...the puppies just don't produce immunity. I wish your puppy well.

Just FYI, Parvo mutates from one species to another around every 40 years. Around 1900 it was Aleutian Mink Disease. In the 1930's it mutated into the Feline species, namely the disease Feline Panleukopenia or Feline Distemper. In 1978 at a Collie show in Mobile, Alabama, it mutated and spread worldwide in a matter of months into the canine population. We are overdue for the virus to mutate into another specie. It could be humans because of our close proximity to the domesticated Feline and Canine populations. Just food for thought.

64 posted on 07/22/2013 5:12:13 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Responsibility2nd; Blood of Tyrants; chrisinoc

Sounds cruel, but take him back where you got him. Get your money back.


My wife is already attached. We bought the dog from the family of one of my JROTC Cadets. We had bought the dog and left him with the family until after we got back from a cadet leadership camp. During the trip, I found out the kids mother was leaving her job to take care of her sister (cancer).

If they were actual breeders I’d demand that they pay for part of the vet bill but they haven’t got much and the litter wasn’t intended. This could have been avoided with a $20 Parvo vaccine.

If I could do it again, I would have either taken the dog and boarded it with our other pets or at least taken him to the vet for shots and brought him back.


65 posted on 07/22/2013 5:19:30 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rockingham

That which does not kill us...


66 posted on 07/22/2013 5:21:12 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse; vetvetdoug

Listen to vetvetdoug. His advice saved my dog more than once and (sadly) he diagnosed my dog’s last illness on line, even when my local vet had a different (wrong) answer. I took him to another vet for a 2nd opinion and found that he had fatal pancreatic cancer. I’m still heartbroken. But vetvetdoug’s advice gave him a lot of comfort from his skin allergies in the spring and fall. And vetvetdoug was absolutly right with his diagnosis,just from my description on line.


67 posted on 07/22/2013 5:23:16 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Responsibility2nd

Sue em first!! I hate puppy mills and irresponsible people who raise dogs for sale.


68 posted on 07/22/2013 5:23:52 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

And he had a littermate that had died? What kind of people are these breeders?


69 posted on 07/22/2013 5:25:50 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

I went through this years ago. The vet said to ensure the dogs bedding was washed with bleach to kill the virus in the home. Awful illness for the dog.


70 posted on 07/22/2013 5:28:20 PM PDT by knak (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing)
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To: skr

Thanks


71 posted on 07/22/2013 5:32:10 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: vetvetdoug

God bless and keep you.
You are absolutely the very best and ever so kind.


72 posted on 07/22/2013 5:32:10 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Add that to the cost they paid - and that eqauals a rip-off.

Of course - if they’re already too emotionally attached - there is nothing they likely can do.


Yep and yep. I’m sure the family only charged to make sure the dog didn’t end up getting the “free dog treatment.” People who won’t pay for dogs usually don’t take decent care of them.

They cut the price for us and we gave them a little extra to keep him. What a deal...


73 posted on 07/22/2013 5:34:33 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Donnafrflorida

It’s a virus. It usually doesn’t bother dogs over two years old. Once he recovers he should be immune for life.

We definitely worm our pets.


74 posted on 07/22/2013 5:36:04 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

We had a Jack Russell puppy with parvo. I was told he got it because I took him out around the neighborhood before he had ALL his puppy shots. He was weak and lethargic and looked near death. After a big vet bill and drugs he recovered just fine.


75 posted on 07/22/2013 5:39:28 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: ScottinVA

We bought the dog from the family of one of my JROTC Cadets. We had bought the dog and left him with the family until after we got back from a cadet leadership camp.

They hadn’t planned on the puppies but they failed to keep two of their dogs separated...


76 posted on 07/22/2013 5:39:55 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Crusher138

Thanks for the encouraging story. We’re hoping for the best.


77 posted on 07/22/2013 5:40:37 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Spirochete

I might try that.


78 posted on 07/22/2013 5:42:17 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Jean S

I’m sorry. My wife needed me to spend some time with her. This has really upset her.


79 posted on 07/22/2013 5:43:59 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Bigg Red

Thanks.


80 posted on 07/22/2013 5:44:58 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Our rescue pup broke with parvo 24 hours after we got her. She was 11 weeks old and had just been spayed by the county in order that we could take her.

Get that pup on Tamiflu! It is the only thing that saved our pup. Parvo is deadly to other dogs! Wash everything with bleach.


81 posted on 07/22/2013 5:46:14 PM PDT by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
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To: HChampagne

Do not take him back. That would be a death sentence for him.


I already decided not to take him back. His last littermate died shortly after we took him to the vet.


82 posted on 07/22/2013 5:46:55 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

I’m sorry your pup is going through this. It sounds like you caught it early and that’s a good thing. Parvo has been successfully treated with Tamiflu. Find out if the vet is going this route. http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?A=1885


83 posted on 07/22/2013 5:48:49 PM PDT by RedWhiteBlue (Mama tried)
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To: daku

He drank some water, not a lot but some. Yesterday, he ate two of the generic “Ceaser” packs of puppy food (I fed him extra because he was so skinny). My wife fed him one pack before we left for the vet. He ate a little dry food.

He was a little active after we got him home so we’re hoping for the best.

I’m glad he’s on the IV and he’ll get what he needs.


84 posted on 07/22/2013 5:52:07 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: rarestia

He’s at the vet and on an IV. My wife was upset when they put in the catheder. The tech had problems so it was a little rough on him.

The worst part is it’s preventable.


85 posted on 07/22/2013 5:56:18 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

I adopted a Chocolate Lab puppy in 1994 from a rescue group, he turned out to have Parvo. He was on an IV and under observation for over a week but came through just fine, with the exception of a tiny white patch in his fur on his left paw where the IV was inserted, that little white patch of fur remained there his entire life. He was a beautiful, athletic, smart, loving dog and I loved him dearly in return for 15 years. That’s a grand old age for a large male Lab, but I would have loved to have had 15 more.


86 posted on 07/22/2013 5:56:48 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Twinkie

Thanks.


87 posted on 07/22/2013 5:57:13 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: missycocopuffs

Your wishes are appreciated; we need all the prayers we can get!


88 posted on 07/22/2013 5:58:19 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Vermont Lt

The vet said people and cats can’t get it. Should we be worried?


89 posted on 07/22/2013 5:58:55 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: liberalh8ter

We threw away toys, ran bowls through a dishwasher with a sanitize setting, washed cloth items in the washer on hot and saturated everything else with disinfectant.

The only other thing I can do is cleanse it with fire.

Viruses are nasty buggers.


90 posted on 07/22/2013 6:00:56 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Another good link about parvo

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/canine_parvovirus.html


91 posted on 07/22/2013 6:03:53 PM PDT by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

All I know is Parvo is really really bad news. We make sure to get ours vaccinated every year. I sure hope they save your puppy.


92 posted on 07/22/2013 6:04:55 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: vetvetdoug

Thanks for the info, that was interesting.

I remember the television PSAs during the late 70s that warned of the virus.

Re - “We are overdue for the virus to mutate into another specie. It could be humans because of our close proximity to the domesticated Feline and Canine populations. Just food for thought.”

I’ll avoid sharing their chew toys.


93 posted on 07/22/2013 6:05:12 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: binreadin

Find a farm store with -real- kaolin/pectin suspension and keep it on hand.

I have a gallon jug of it.

That and the rehydration are paramount.

Has the OP come back?

Hell if I’d leave a parvo puppy alone.


94 posted on 07/22/2013 6:05:20 PM PDT by Salamander (.......Uber Alice!.......)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

One more link-

http://www.cpvh.com/2011/08/08/parvovirus-canine/


95 posted on 07/22/2013 6:06:53 PM PDT by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
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To: Salamander

Has the OP come back?


Yep.


96 posted on 07/22/2013 6:08:44 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

I’m glad you’re taking care of this baby. Will keep him in my prayers.

Here is a link from holistic vet Karen Becker on the virus. It covers prevention, treatment, symptoms, and who is at risk. Hope it helps:

http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2010/09/02/diagnosing-and-vaccination-of-parvo-disease-in-pet-dogs.aspx


97 posted on 07/22/2013 6:09:49 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: Salamander

Hey, Sal —

Always good to hear from you. I think the puppy is with the vet now and the OP is at home.


98 posted on 07/22/2013 6:11:33 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: JLLH

He’s on IVs and we’ll be checking in every day. It’s weird, we picked up three (two cats and a dog) and left one (the new dog).


99 posted on 07/22/2013 6:18:35 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

I just looked up what our pup was on at the vets 5 years ago when she was in isolation for a week-but she was vomiting and had bloody bowel movements.

1ml of Tamiflu for her 13 lbs 2 times a day. She was on metoclopramide, albon and reglan (sp). She had an IV for fluid support with potassium.

My understanding from some friends who still do rescue is that they now combine the Tamiflu with an antibiotic and this seems to work better (but I am not a vet ).

One thing I will say though- YOU are your pups best advocate. If you do not feel your pup is getting the best care then speak up....ask questions....research...it could be the difference between life and death.

Your pup is in my prayers. Best to you and your family!


100 posted on 07/22/2013 6:19:14 PM PDT by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
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