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Posted on 07/28/2013 3:45:35 AM PDT by MacMattico

I'm in NY and my daughter's schools just recently put out their "school supply lists" -- what students have to have for each class and supplies they "share" like tissues, whiteboard markers, colored pencils. My kids are in high school and Jr High.

It cost me $206 for school supplies! And we spend about $17,000 per year per student in this district! Wayyy over taxed!! My parents couldn't have afforded this for 4 kids.

I told the Superintendent this was ridiculous. She tried to steer me to a "charity" group that could help me get the supply's. I said I'm not in need of charity, I think you're wasting our money! She told me not to worry, when school starts they'll have some free supply give-a-ways! How dense! I don't need your $$, I need you to stop wasting money that isn't yours!


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To: RightField

There is more than just the sharing of supplies going on. The schools are training the children to think of redistribution of wealth as normal. It’s a not so subtle way to teach them that the interests of the state supersede individual freedoms.
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And...It is killing the natural instinct of compassion and gratitude that God intends that his children have for one another!!!! ( It makes me sick to think of the damage that socialist-entitlement schooling does to the hearts, minds, and souls of innocent little children.)

God will NOT save this nation! Why should He?

1) Abortion.
Millions can show up to buy a chicken sandwich but can’t figure out a way to shut down abortion? Really?

2) Christians and Conservatives send their children into GODLESS and SOCIALIST schools! In many counties and even whole STATES, the entire godless and socialist system of child indoctrination ( and its accompanying taxation) would shut down instantly if Christians and conservatives simply removed their precious children!


101 posted on 07/28/2013 7:06:21 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: MacMattico

Have you considered the cost of socialist-entitlement school clothing.

The saving in school clothing alone MORE than paid for any curriculum I bought for our homeschool.


102 posted on 07/28/2013 7:08:15 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: OldMissileer
My son was told he had to have a graphing calculator for his Trigonometry and Calculus classes. The teachers never taught them how to graph the equations. I had to sit down at home and show my son how to graph it on paper. He told me he understood the subjects better by using graph paper than letting the calculator do the work for him.
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There is a word for this: “Afterschooling”! And...I bet the school was more than happy to take full credit for your hard work and that of your son.

The **only** academically successful children I have ever met were either homeschooled or **afterschooled**. In fact, when I quizzed these kids and their parents I found that there was NO DIFFERENCE in the home habits and **at the kitchen table** time spent by either the home or institutionally schooled children.

So?...If both the acacdemically successful homeschoolers and institutionalized children are spend the SAME AMOUNT OF TIME **IN THE HOME** doing school stuff, then maybe we are spending $17,000/per child on a government program that is completely doing NOTHING! Maybe all that academic success is entirely due to the work done IN THE HOME by the child and parents.

103 posted on 07/28/2013 7:14:49 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: bk1000

Actually, I think gum chewing is a good thing...it has a physical release effect and also lends to fulfilling our chewing necessity/desire. Might solve the childhood obesity problem.


104 posted on 07/28/2013 7:17:21 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: MacMattico

The regular pencils, glue and paper cost pennies but once you’re in HS, you need more expensive items like scientific calculators.

What you’re spending today compared to prices your parents paid are probably not that different considering what a dollar was worth then and now. Back when hand held calculators first came out, my science class all had to get one the second semester to that was everyone’s big Christmas present from their parents because of the cost.

As to the waste, I’m with you there. I’ve witnessed teachers throwing out brand new supplies by the arm load at the end of every year.


105 posted on 07/28/2013 7:17:21 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: MacMattico

It was about $120 for school supplies for my daughter this year, haven’t shopped for my son yet. A large portion of that was supplies like cleaning wipes, kleenex and hand sanitizer, not items she would use herself like paper and pencils.
Schools are supplementing their custodial budget on the backs of parents.


106 posted on 07/28/2013 7:18:16 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: MacMattico

A piece of scotch tape or a green crayon on a white folder would have worked.


107 posted on 07/28/2013 7:24:03 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: bgill
As to the waste, I’m with you there. I’ve witnessed teachers throwing out brand new supplies by the arm load at the end of every year.

I want to teach in one of these schools where they can afford to throw out new supplies. That's crazy.

At the end of the school year, I dig through the garbage cans to salvage supplies that the kids throw out when they clean out their lockers. The kids actually catch on, and they ask me if I want anything before they dump it.

Paper doesn't go bad over the summer... I especially salvage quad paper, which I use to teach graphing and charting. It's cheap at the beginning of school, but much more expensive later in the year.

For the record, my 8th grade math supply list includes pencils, quad paper, a three ring binder, and a cardboard-bound composition book, which are for students' individual use. I recommend a TI-84 graphing calculator which should take kids all the way through high school and into college. If a kid doesn't have one... no problem. I still teach the old fashioned way... graphing by hand. The calculator is a convenience for use when a student knows how to do the work without one.

I'm hesitant to mention it here, but I also require students to have a Satanic Bible, so we can worship the devil during class changes.

108 posted on 07/28/2013 7:31:44 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: HarleyD

Please pardon me while I refrain from breaking down in tears.


109 posted on 07/28/2013 7:32:19 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: MacMattico

Does that sound like a system that really cares if a kid is hungry?
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Why are you cooperating with this evil? Why would you allow your children to be exposed to this evil?

Hopefully, you are beginning to realize from the many comments from Freepers, that such an evil system can NOT be reformed because government schooling is godless socialism and socialism can never be reformed. It must be eliminated.


110 posted on 07/28/2013 7:32:36 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: TontoKowalski

I’m hesitant to mention it here, but I also require students to have a Satanic Bible, so we can worship the devil during class changes.
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By law, your class is godlessly secular. When there is a God vacuum, Satan has an opportunity to rush in.

If you are sneaking in a God-centered worldview, then you are teaching the children that those who believe in God are sneaky.

There is NO possible way to resolve the conundrum between having either a godless or God-centered worldview in a classroom. There will be one or the other and **neither** is religiously neutral in content or consequences for the child and our continuing freedom as a nation,


111 posted on 07/28/2013 7:39:39 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: tbw2

Why are you cooperating? And...If they take it out on your child, why are you letting you child be abused?


112 posted on 07/28/2013 7:41:06 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: HarleyD

Thank you for this perspective. I have many teachers in my family and I know many others who have taught my kids, and your story rings true. Congrats on your wife’s retirement.


113 posted on 07/28/2013 7:42:51 AM PDT by HoosierDammit (St. Vincent de Paul, pray for us!)
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To: Sacajaweau
About the same time you took yours out of public school, my parents took me out of Catholic school and put me in public school. Smartest thing they ever did. The nuns were horrid creatures who shouldn't have been allowed around children. I was sick one day in 1st grade and the sister wouldn't let me go to the restroom. I threw up all over my desk and she made me sit in it the rest of the day. Three days later when I came back to school, the vomit was still there and I was made to clean it up while getting yelled at for making a mess.

Want to talk about combining everyone’s school supplies? I had to wear corrective shoes so my parents sweated shelling out $$$ for and driving everywhere to find some that fit the required school uniform. Well, one day, the nun told us to put all our shoes in a pile and find ours. Of course, I never did get mine back and my parent couldn't afford to buy new ones.

A few years later, my parents wanted to try another Catholic school so I took their entrance exam. My score was high enough but they turned me down because I had entered the name of the local public school instead of the private school for the name of your school question. Someone in the exam room had asked the sister what that question meant and she told us all to write the school we were attending. IOW, she lied or someone did. I suspect they were only giving the admission exams for the money.

One year, at Ash Wednesday, the priest got mad because so many kids had bangs which were interfering with him putting ashes on our foreheads so he ran his finger down their noses. Another priest hollered at us that we had sinned because we went with a friend on his church's (Baptist?) hayride.

Yes, the smartest thing my parents did was take me out of Catholic school and I thank that nun for lying about the exam question.

YMMV.

114 posted on 07/28/2013 7:54:58 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: PubliusMM
Yes! it **IS** the parent's fault!

In many counties, and even whole states, the government's godless socialist-entitlement schools exist because Christians and conservatives send their children into them. If they simply removed their children the entire socialist-entitlement system of compulsory schooling would utterly collapse along with the taxes that support it.

And....No child would be left behind. Americans have proven, repeatedly, that they are the most generous and compassion people since the dawn of humanity. Does anyone seriously believe that any child in this nation would be left without access to a good education?

Socialism and its waste can not be reformed and government owned, run, and compulsory schooling is the very definition of a socialist-entitlement, single-payer, and compulsory-use program. When in the history of humankind has it been possible to reform socialism? It is evil. It destroys the natural compassion and gratitude that God intends for His sons and daughters to have one to another.

115 posted on 07/28/2013 8:00:16 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime
I really don't want to get into a protracted discussion, since a previous one with you wasn't been productive for either of us.

My job is to teach math to young people. I try my hardest to do that while demonstrating a paternal-type love for my students. I encourage them to work hard in all their academic endeavors, to be kind to classmates and courteous to the people they see in our school, to dream beyond their mostly meager circumstances. If questioned about my spiritual beliefs, I refer them to their parent(s) for religious instruction and guidance, as that is where that discussion needs to take place.

I don't "sneak" anything in. The kids know I pray every morning during our moment of silence. I try to be a good male role model, because so many of my students don't have one, but formal religious instruction is not my job. Those are family concerns.

Do people in other professions use their position over subordinates to preach? Is it expected? Is a plumber a godless man if he fails to testify to the power of Christ before he fixes a leaky pipe?

116 posted on 07/28/2013 8:01:55 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: MacMattico
Two anecdotes: We have a HS intern working in our office for a few weeks. She tells me that her school no longer makes hot lunches--everything is cold. So maybe it's a sandwich or some other thing but no pizza slice, no spaghetti, no chicken a'la king, etc., like what I enjoyed growing up. But there are more free lunches floating around than ever before, as well as free breakfasts and lunches over the summer. What a waste.

The school district where I live re-negotiated teachers' contracts before Gov. Walker (R-WI) signed off on Act 10, which did away with unions negotiating over pay. Gov. Walker warned that districts might be short on money if they didn't let the law take effect before they re-negotiated. There's more money in the state treasury, but my district took the biggest hit in state aid, losing more than half-a-million dollars this year. Teachers are angry (still) but they were warned.

117 posted on 07/28/2013 8:05:20 AM PDT by rabidralph (Gray State Movie)
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To: TontoKowalski

A plumber is not working on the hearts, minds, and souls of children. The last I checked, my household or business plumbing did not have eternal souls.

And...it is impossible to provide an education that doesn’t influence the hearts, minds, and souls of children. A religiously neutral education is impossible!!!!

When teachers agree to teach children they **are** agreeing to influence the direction that the hearts, minds, and souls of children will take. It is impossible not to do otherwise. There are NO religiously neutral subjects, There are no religiously neutral schools. It is impossible.

Your classroom, that by law is godless in its worldview, is NOT religiously neutral in content or consequences for the children or our nation.


118 posted on 07/28/2013 8:09:55 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime

Depends on how many decimal points of accuracy you want, and which functions. :) I have these books on my shelf, as they were part of every mechanical engineer’s tools of the trade decades ago. Once the slide rule was superceded by the electronic calculator there was no more need for books of tables.


119 posted on 07/28/2013 8:13:00 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: beaversmom
Signed my son up for high school on Friday. You should have seen the look on the face of the lady that asked me if we needed a free/reduced lunch form when I told her that we didn’t. She had to do a double take and look up at me to see what kind of alien creature was standing before her.

Big giveaway for school supplies in August for this area. Free breakfasts. Free lunches. Free school supplies. Some people don’t have to pay for anything any more.

It's almost as if they are trying to condition the students into an entitlement mentality!

/tinfoil

120 posted on 07/28/2013 8:14:08 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: rabidralph
The quality of school lunches of a very valid complaint.

When I was a kid in rural Mississippi, out lunch ladies actually cooked. The meals were delicious and nutritious. We were allowed (even encouraged) to go back and ask for seconds on the vegetables. Now, it's all heat and serve, and the meals are awful.

If I'm too rushed to pack my own lunch, I take one of the pre-prepared salads, and even then the vegetables are rarely fresh and crisp.

121 posted on 07/28/2013 8:14:46 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: bgill
Let's be real....This color folder thing is so the teacher can keep things straight when they pass on "their duty" to read and/orcorrect papers....to some dim witted over paid aid.

When I visited my granddaughters school, I was stunned to see papers posted...everyone of them having spelling errors...and everyone of them "printed".

I taught my granddaughter to "write" and also her multiplication tables. The system is disgusting.

122 posted on 07/28/2013 8:18:03 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: TontoKowalski
Teachers who agree to work in our nation’s socialist-entitlement, compulsory, and single-payer K-12 schools are **willingly** agree to establish and uphold this socialist and godless system of government indoctrination of children.

Socialism destroys the natural compassion and gratitude that God intended for his children to have one toward another. When children attend socialist-entitlement schools they are learning a **powerful** and ungodly lesson. They learn that the voting mob can take ( by threat of police force) money from their neighbor so that they can have tuition-free school. Where is the example of the compassion and generosity shown by their neighbor? Why would there be any opportunity to learn gratitude? Instead, the children risk learning that any voting mob powerful enough to give them tuition-free schooling is powerful enough to use police force to get **lots** of free stuff from their neighbor.

Honestly....I am perplexed that any Christian or conservative would agree to support, uphold, and establish such evil.

123 posted on 07/28/2013 8:21:34 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: HarleyD
(sorry, that was unnecessarily snarky)
124 posted on 07/28/2013 8:21:57 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: Sacajaweau
I taught my granddaughter to “write” and also her multiplication tables. The system is disgusting.
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And....I bet you are doing LOTS of other afterschooling as well.

Who will take all the credit? The **socialist-entitlement school** OF COURSE! And, the real estate agents will boast about the area's “good” schools. BARF!

125 posted on 07/28/2013 8:23:43 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime
You've sold me.

Now, which religious world-view should I include in my math classroom? Catholic? Mormon? Jewish? Baptist? Muslim? Do we venerate the Dali Lama?

As a teacher, I try to model and encourage values that we'd all like to see in children: honesty, kindness, gratitude, respect... teaching the path to heaven is a duty of parents, not teachers.

126 posted on 07/28/2013 8:24:09 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: dinodino
I completely agree. I cut my teeth on a slide rule and now use a calculator.

However...Let's be honest. **Books** of tables are not necessary. A few pages of trig and log functions is enough for any high schooler and a few pages is not a “book”.

127 posted on 07/28/2013 8:28:00 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: ansel12
and a rifle out in the car, and I was good to go.

You had a car. I had to walk to school through the snow, five miles there and seven miles back, and it was up hill both ways. When I was a senior I was allowed to drive the dinosaur.

128 posted on 07/28/2013 8:30:06 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: bgill

http://www.lib.rochester.edu/index.cfm?page=4833


129 posted on 07/28/2013 8:31:01 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: bgill

Father Finks was our chaplain at Mercy which is where I went. A true Marxist!!


130 posted on 07/28/2013 8:32:00 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: rlmorel

I have already read it. I got to visit Edward Teller when I started my nuke design career. He had many stories and liked to tell them.

God allowed me a great life and career.


131 posted on 07/28/2013 8:33:47 AM PDT by OldMissileer
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To: Sacajaweau
"Father Finks" sounds like a character from a Dickens story!

Truth stranger than fiction! LOL

132 posted on 07/28/2013 8:34:06 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: wintertime

I think you are 100% correct.


133 posted on 07/28/2013 8:35:07 AM PDT by OldMissileer
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To: wintertime
True...books of tables are not necessary...but it was fun at the time. Logs......just abhorred those calcs.

And I'm still waiting for the train to arrive that left Newark at 10:15 for Detroit and passed the Detroit to Newark train that left Detroit at 7:45. The one from Newark was going 50 MPH. The one from Detroit was traveling at 62 mph.

It looks like he stood me up.

134 posted on 07/28/2013 8:37:28 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: TontoKowalski

I don’t want the ACLU to get wind of it, but in our middle school we still sing religious carols during our Christmas Sing -A-Long


135 posted on 07/28/2013 8:38:12 AM PDT by mware
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To: MacMattico
A day at the mall of “you are not wearing that to school and you don't need the $75 jeans.” She'll come down on the jeans, because she really is fine with the Holister or AE jeans that are less. I'm on to her— it's her bargaining chip! But then the skirts and shirts— ugh.

Bought my foster daughter a pair of nice jeans. First day of school my wife gets a call that the child is dressed inappropriately in a pair of "Daisy Dukes" My wife grabs a pair of my sweats and my read hunting suspenders.

The child wore the jeans to school went into the lavatory dumped them in the trash and put on the shorts.

My wife made her wear my sweats and suspenders for the rest of the day after she (foster brat) went through the trash to find the new jeans.

When I got home I explained to her that if she pulled a stunt like that again the only thing she would be wearing were my sweats and suspenders.

Problem solved.

136 posted on 07/28/2013 8:42:51 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: TontoKowalski

It’s too bad that those of us without children or those with children no longer in the system can’t get those taxes knocked off our bill. It might even be an incentive for a teacher, such as yourself, to set up his own homeschool foundation and get the like-minded parents involved in teaching. My sister-in-law homeschools their children and it has come at a great sacrifice in income, but the kids are smarter than public school kids, polite and Christians. And my brother and SIL say the loss of income has been worth it. Now, the eldest is off to college.


137 posted on 07/28/2013 8:43:25 AM PDT by rabidralph (Gray State Movie)
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To: MacMattico
“a different direction” which would require a new calculator!

Yes, because the values of e and pi are constantly changing.

138 posted on 07/28/2013 8:44:09 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: MacMattico

My wife is thoroughly enjoying taking our 22 year old son out to buy him nice clothes for his first job as a college grad. Moms always enjoy that. It’s especially nice that he has a paycheck now and is paying for his own clothes. Of course Mom sneaks in some “treats” for him. Such a refreshing change to get his out of the college grunge look.


139 posted on 07/28/2013 8:50:06 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: meyer
I believe that Man went to the moon using a lot of math that was calculated using slide rules! Might have been a Univac or two in the back room (a rather large back room) but I think a lot of the true thinking was done with pencil and paper. And, the lowly slide rule!

There is an amazing scene in "Apollo 13" Where they need to calculate the new trajectory and the one engineer says that he is on it and pulls out the slide rule.

In the one control room at Canaveral they had one in a red box with a glass front. The sign on it said "In case of battery failure break."

140 posted on 07/28/2013 8:51:07 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: TontoKowalski
My grandmother was the cook at our 2 room schoolhouse.

Oh, the smells that would come from the basement where lunch was prepared and served. Baked ham, roasted turkey, biscuits, cinnamon buns, milk in the glass bottles where the cream rose to the top and you had to shake it before drinking it.

I do remember that the teacher would pick kids that came from difficult home situations to help grand mom out, setting the table for 50 kids.Of course grand mom made sure those kids got extra samples of whatever was on the menu ahead of time.

I don't recall kids on free lunch, seems there was always enough for everyone to have a dinner plate of food.

She retired at the age of 75.

141 posted on 07/28/2013 8:52:58 AM PDT by mware
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To: rabidralph
My own son was homeschooled until freshman year of high school. My wife did most of the instruction, and she did a very fine job.

It surprises many that I support homeschooling, especially when it's done right... and I don't believe it's always done properly. It requires sacrifice and long-term commitment, and sometimes I see parents who don't follow through.

I've frequently thought of establishing some sort of academic alternative to public school. My ideal would be a school with no varsity athletics at all... at my school, athletic issues can sometimes override academic concerns, IMO.

I doubt I'd have enough paying students to keep the lights on.

142 posted on 07/28/2013 8:53:55 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: HomeAtLast
This thread needs a touch of wintertime!

Why? Are you trying to end the civil discourse that is actually happening?

143 posted on 07/28/2013 8:54:53 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: greedo
Better yet, get them an RPN calculator on their iPhone. Sit back and have fun watching them figure out the "Enter" button and learning a stack.


144 posted on 07/28/2013 8:55:13 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: TontoKowalski

Well, the pay would be the problem because our taxes automatically go to support public schools. But I appreciate what you’re doing in the classroom by setting a proper example for those kids. I guess we shouldn’t overlook the fact that some must live in the lion’s den and show the way out. God bless you and your family.


145 posted on 07/28/2013 9:04:11 AM PDT by rabidralph (Gray State Movie)
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To: TontoKowalski
I'm hesitant to mention it here, but I also require students to have a Satanic Bible, so we can worship the devil during class changes.

Good for you. this year I am planning on beginning with animal sacrifices and moving up to human ones by the end of the year.

Let's see how many of the Krazy Keyboard Kammandos that irritates.

146 posted on 07/28/2013 9:05:36 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: wintertime
Not all private schools are equal.

So true. If the school takes public money they have to comply with gov. curriculum, standards, etc.
There are many good teachers that are hamstrung by the local school boards. They teach what they are told to teach. Many public school teachers' kids are in private schools.

I have a little supplemental part time job.
I need to read and in some cases interpret service reports.
I have one tech, about mid-twenties and minority, that has a beautiful hand. Great attitude too.
I asked him where he went to school.
The local Catholic school.

I told him the next time he saw his mother to give her a kiss for me for having the foresight.

147 posted on 07/28/2013 9:05:55 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: rabidralph
Thank you! My son begins his freshman year in college this fall.

A computer engineering student with a full ride... so long as he keeps the grades up!

I'm just a little bit proud, if you can't tell.

148 posted on 07/28/2013 9:08:33 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: TontoKowalski
You've sold me.

Now, which religious world-view should I include in my math classroom? Catholic? Mormon? Jewish? Baptist? Muslim? Do we venerate the Dali Lama?

As a teacher, I try to model and encourage values that we'd all like to see in children: honesty, kindness, gratitude, respect... teaching the path to heaven is a duty of parents, not teachers.

Much better than saying what I was thinking. I hope it shuts him/ her up, at least for a minute.

149 posted on 07/28/2013 9:13:21 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: verga; wintertime

Verga, why are you posting to me? Are you still on forum probation for stalking wintertime?


150 posted on 07/28/2013 9:16:03 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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