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Posted on 07/28/2013 3:45:35 AM PDT by MacMattico

I'm in NY and my daughter's schools just recently put out their "school supply lists" -- what students have to have for each class and supplies they "share" like tissues, whiteboard markers, colored pencils. My kids are in high school and Jr High.

It cost me $206 for school supplies! And we spend about $17,000 per year per student in this district! Wayyy over taxed!! My parents couldn't have afforded this for 4 kids.

I told the Superintendent this was ridiculous. She tried to steer me to a "charity" group that could help me get the supply's. I said I'm not in need of charity, I think you're wasting our money! She told me not to worry, when school starts they'll have some free supply give-a-ways! How dense! I don't need your $$, I need you to stop wasting money that isn't yours!


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To: mware
I wish your grandmother would come out of retirement and take over our lunchroom, provided she hasn't gone on to her reward.

I've already said everything was heat-and-serve, but sometimes you don't even get that. One time they served pork and beans, and they didn't even heat them up. Just opened the can and dished it out alongside something resembling a hot dog.

Whatever anyone thinks of the free lunch program (and I won't dispute what many are saying), I think it's the only chance at a real meal some of my students get. It's a shame they get what they get.

151 posted on 07/28/2013 9:16:50 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: TontoKowalski
Grandmom has long ago went to her reward,as have my mother, father, and eldest brother.

Oh what a table they must have for Sunday dinner.

Eye roast with brown gravy, mashed potatoes, stewed tomatoes, corn on the cob, fresh lima beans, yeast raised biscuits, and cherry pie for desert.

152 posted on 07/28/2013 9:30:34 AM PDT by mware
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To: TontoKowalski

” I’ve frequently thought of establishing some sort of academic alternative to public school. My ideal would be a school with no varsity athletics at all... at my school, athletic issues can sometimes override academic concerns, IMO.

I doubt I’d have enough paying students to keep the lights on. “

I’ve had those thoughts myself....


153 posted on 07/28/2013 9:31:44 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: TontoKowalski
The kids that come back and chat with me who are now in high school main complaint is that they do not get enough to eat.

They only permit them to have 850 calories at lunch. Many stay after school for activities and do not get home until after 6 PM. Many bring extra food from home to get them through the day.

154 posted on 07/28/2013 9:34:36 AM PDT by mware
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To: mware
Off-topic: Do you think we'll get to eat in heaven?

I sincerely hope so... oh, to have one of my grandmother's buttermilk biscuits again! My mother's were very good, but my grandmother's were world class!

She made them for breakfast every single day of my grandfather's life. The large wooden bowl that she used had an indentation worn into it where her left thumb held it while the right hand mixed.

155 posted on 07/28/2013 9:35:51 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: TontoKowalski
Sounds like our grands should know each other.

Food in heaven, I really don't know, but some of my fondest memories were at dinner table on Sunday after church.

Christmas eve with yeast raised donuts may just be the fondest of all memories. We have started that tradition again, but take a short cut, and use Pillsbury biscuit dough. They are very close to how I remember grandmoms.

156 posted on 07/28/2013 9:42:07 AM PDT by mware
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Does anyone still make an RPN calculator? I dread the day that my 1984-vintage HP 15C dies. Once you go RPN, you never go back....


157 posted on 07/28/2013 9:50:10 AM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: Arrowhead1952

tough concept LOL

I wish they’d drop the .9 cents


158 posted on 07/28/2013 9:51:28 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: mware
Christmas eve with yeast raised donuts may just be the fondest of all memories. We have started that tradition again, but take a short cut, and use Pillsbury biscuit dough. They are very close to how I remember grandmoms.

My mother short-cutted her dumplings by rolling out canned biscuits and cutting into strips, rather than making from scratch. I don't know where she learned the trick, but my grandmother was horrified until she tried them.

Wasn't long until she and other cooks in the family adopted the "wop biscuit" dumplings... so called because you "wopped" the biscuits on the counter to open them. Faster, easier, and no impact to the quality of chicken and dumplings... the secret's in the broth, not the dumpling.

159 posted on 07/28/2013 9:58:54 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: TontoKowalski
My mother short-cutted her dumplings by rolling out canned biscuits and cutting into strips, rather than making from scratch. I don't know where she learned the trick, but my grandmother was horrified until she tried them.

Yeap, do the same with beef stew. Not much difference as I can tell.

160 posted on 07/28/2013 10:01:46 AM PDT by mware
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To: TontoKowalski
It is impossible for government to provide a religiously neutral education. The solution is to move toward vouchers and tax credits and then on to complete privatization.

The religious worldview that teachers in government **CHOOSE** to force upon their students is GODLESSNESS. No one is holding a gun to these teachers heads forcing them to support, uphold, and establish socialist-entitlement and godless government schooling.

No teacher's classroom is religiously neutral because a religious neutrality education is impossible. Godlessness is no more religiously neutral than a God-centered one in content or consequences.

161 posted on 07/28/2013 10:05:33 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: mware
we still sing religious carols during our Christmas Sing -A-Long
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Schools like this are teaching the children that an occasional nod in God's direction is OK. It is teaching children to be casual about their faith.

Wow! What a great religiously loaded lesson that is! /s ( eye roll!)

162 posted on 07/28/2013 10:08:30 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: TontoKowalski
and I don't believe it's always done properly.
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In those cases the children aren't being properly schooled anywhere ( home or the institution).

It has been my anecdotal observation that all academically successful children are homeschooled or afterschooled. This is true even when the academically successful kid comes from dirt poor and illiterate immigrant families.

Where are the studies that show where learning is happening and who is doing the instructing? You won't be able to find them because these studies have **never** been done. We spent up to $30,000/ child/year in a socialist-entitlement schooling program and NO ONE has ever checked to see if it is effective or not.

163 posted on 07/28/2013 10:15:02 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime
It has been my anecdotal observation that all academically successful children are homeschooled or afterschooled. This is true even when the academically successful kid comes from dirt poor and illiterate immigrant families.

Allow me to provide you an example: Me.

My parents were good, decent, honorable people. My dad was lucky to graduate high school; I saw his report cards. My mother was a little more successful academically, but a college education wasn't anywhere in the cards.

About all the afterschooling I got was, "Did you do your homework?" Mind you, my parents appreciated the value of education, especially as their lives turned out to be difficult, at least when my sister and I were young, but they were inequipped and overwhelmed by working to keep the bills paid.

A teacher changed my life. She told me that I had a gift for academics, and that if I studied and worked hard enough, I could achieve things beyond my dreams.

She was right. That's why I entered teaching as a second career. I look for children that I might inspire.

164 posted on 07/28/2013 10:29:55 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: TontoKowalski

You should be very proud! Congratulations!


165 posted on 07/28/2013 10:39:17 AM PDT by rabidralph (Gray State Movie)
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To: wintertime

Yes, for high school, a pocket reference should be enough.


166 posted on 07/28/2013 10:42:15 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: DYngbld

That’s still cheaper than Public Schools. Don’t forget, your kids don’t need a new wardrobe every year.

Plus, if you’ve got multiple kids, the costs become negligible for the future kids.

For us, number 3 and 4 are high school (homeschool) Our budget is probably under $200 this year. Number 3 is also starting community college this year so we are paying his tuition.


167 posted on 07/28/2013 10:43:24 AM PDT by cyclotic (Hey BSA-NOT IN MY TROOP)
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To: TontoKowalski
Did someone say biscuits?

http://www.joyofbaking.com/Biscuits.html

I love buttermilk biscuits. I have some friends who farm and the wife is an excellent baker and cook. I asked her to show me how to make biscuits and we made the ones in this video. She substitutes buttermilk for regular milk and adds 1/4 tsp. of baking soda, in addition to the baking powder that's needed. Please add the salt that's needed or the biscuits will not have any flavor. And make sure the sticks of butter are cold before cutting them into the flour. The secret is to not work the dough too much but to get everything mashed together and then press it out or roll it out on the counter.

168 posted on 07/28/2013 10:52:47 AM PDT by rabidralph (Gray State Movie)
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To: beaversmom

I had a running battle with the school here over that darn free lunch form. It was the school’s policy for everyone to fill it out. I refused, I told them I was not asking for it, so it was none of their business how much money we made. My battle with them went on for years...finally they decided to leave me alone. I got very angry, some years they would have an ice cream party or something for the class that got all their forms in first. Trying to use peer pressure on the kids, but my kids knew I would not return the form.


169 posted on 07/28/2013 11:00:09 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: beaversmom

I had a running battle with the school here over that darn free lunch form. It was the school’s policy for everyone to fill it out. I refused, I told them I was not asking for it, so it was none of their business how much money we made. My battle with them went on for years...finally they decided to leave me alone. I got very angry, some years they would have an ice cream party or something for the class that got all their forms in first. Trying to use peer pressure on the kids, but my kids knew I would not return the form.


170 posted on 07/28/2013 11:00:55 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: wintertime

Because it is a private school.


171 posted on 07/28/2013 11:01:02 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: HartleyMBaldwin

I have 3 HP 41’s. It’s just love. I fall asleep with it sometimes. I try to change the TV with it, too. It’s love I tell ya!!


172 posted on 07/28/2013 11:02:06 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: bgill

bgill,

I had to look up to see if you were in the same catholic asylum I went to. One of the nuns at my school ended up in jail after decades of child abuse. In my brothers class, some kid spilled his milk and she made him lick it off the floor.

I broke my glasses on a Saturday and had to wear them taped together for a few days. The old bat nun principle just kept staring at me and pointing me out.

One of the priests was incredibly profane and later died of AIDS.


173 posted on 07/28/2013 11:02:23 AM PDT by cyclotic (Hey BSA-NOT IN MY TROOP)
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To: HarleyD
Your school district is way above the national average for what an average teacher makes. I live in one of the highest salary area in the nation and teachers don't even come close to that.

Shush up! You're spoiling perfectly good rants, bursting bubbles and generally raining on parades.

After 12 years as a teacher, my daughter decided to go for greener pastures and quit teaching, she has a much more lucrative job now than the $39,000 per year. She had 12 years experience and a Master's degree.

174 posted on 07/28/2013 11:03:31 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: cyclotic

I took the school and the all powerful nuns to task.....and forced the first referendum in school since the student council WAS a democracy. And the students won.


175 posted on 07/28/2013 11:09:49 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: morphing libertarian
I wish they’d drop the .9 cents

I wish they’d post the amount of federal and state tax per gallon on every pump.

176 posted on 07/28/2013 11:12:02 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: HomeAtLast
Verga, why are you posting to me? Are you still on forum probation for stalking wintertime?

Never have been, but I heard that she/he might have been for stalking me.

177 posted on 07/28/2013 11:29:58 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: HartleyMBaldwin

That’s an actual screen shot of an HP11c calculator running on an iPhone. I bought it a few months ago for (I think) $10 — outstanding investment. It’s a complete simulation of the 11c which is quite an accomplishment, so the $10 is an incredible bargain.

I have both an 11c (about 1978) and a 12c (about 1980) — I’m with you, hate to think of the day they die. RPN is SO logical and easy to use. You’re right, it’s hard to go back.


178 posted on 07/28/2013 12:01:09 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: OldMissileer

I can imagine...:)

You must have some great stories of your own...


179 posted on 07/28/2013 12:20:32 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: rlmorel
Read “Surely You’re Joking, Mr. Feynman” to get an idea of how they were doing the calculations to build the Bomb in the Manhattan Project!

One of my favorite books. I loved the part when he talks about the clerical workers having to punch all the cards and then waiting for the results to come back.

180 posted on 07/28/2013 12:46:49 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: tomkat

No apologies needed. There are many out of work or those who are nearing retirements find themselves without a pension. We are very fortunate. It was her choice to become a school teacher-a choice she regrets and would not wish on anyone. And she’s the first to let you know. This is a career field where 30 years ago it was much like a lot of jobs with administrative support, a decent wage, etc. Like just every other jobs the liberals have touched, it has disintegrated into chaos.


181 posted on 07/28/2013 1:34:54 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Graybeard58

Good for her. The school system pays pittances for teachers. Your daughter is very wise to get out while she’s young.


182 posted on 07/28/2013 1:37:59 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Sacajaweau

Never had a 41. Was it RPN?


183 posted on 07/28/2013 2:11:25 PM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Too bad I don’t have an iPhone, nor iAnythingElse for that matter. I suspect that the old calculators such as ours will still be running long after the iPhones quit.

And I still have my Pickett slide rule, too.


184 posted on 07/28/2013 2:16:10 PM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: mware

I’m not following. You roll out canned beef stew and cut it into strips? Then what?


185 posted on 07/28/2013 2:24:18 PM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: HartleyMBaldwin

RPN...yes


186 posted on 07/28/2013 2:43:11 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

Thanks. Do they still make them?


187 posted on 07/28/2013 2:51:38 PM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: Sacajaweau

I think I drove one of them to retirement. Second Grade nun. I generally refer to her as the old bat. She wanted us to draw bowls of fruit. My orange was perfect but she didn’t like my apples. I drew them narrow at the bottom and wider on top, just like the apples my mom always bought. The old bat insisted that apples were symmetrical and made me do it again. So I did. Narrow at the bottom and wider on top. She tore it up, so I did it again. Any guess what it looked like? Let’s just say there was a big empty space on the wall where all of our bowls of fruit were on display for the art fair.


188 posted on 07/28/2013 3:18:37 PM PDT by cyclotic (Hey BSA-NOT IN MY TROOP)
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To: HartleyMBaldwin

I don’t think so. Lot of them on ebay...crazy prices...I might drag a couple of them out and sell them. I think I have 4 altogether.


189 posted on 07/28/2013 3:35:06 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Arrowhead1952

Ditto


190 posted on 07/28/2013 3:42:34 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: verga

My favorite part was his ‘safe-cracking” phase...:)


191 posted on 07/28/2013 4:17:44 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: HartleyMBaldwin
Oh no, not canned beef stew. I make the beef stew from scratch.

I add the pillsbury biscuit dough in to make dumplings. They puff up just like regular dumplings do.

192 posted on 07/28/2013 4:22:17 PM PDT by mware
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To: rlmorel
My favorite part was his ‘safe-cracking” phase...:)I completely forgot that part, I loved the Mariachi band part, especially the scene with the waiter.

I just found my copy of "The meaning of it all: Thoughts of a citizen scientist" I am going to put both of those back in my reread pile

193 posted on 07/28/2013 6:24:58 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: wintertime

Note the S for sarcasm.


194 posted on 07/28/2013 6:44:09 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: verga

It’s a funny thing, I’m pretty sure that my politics and his politics are fairly far apart in some areas, but I have to admit that he would’ve been a lot of fun to spend an evening with, having drinks around a table somewhere… :-)

He reminded me of a guy that I used to know when I was in the Navy. I was third class or possibly a second class Petty Officer at the time, and he was a first class. He had a funny, different way of looking at things.

For example, there was one time we got on an elevator full of people. Everyone usually goes to the back of the elevator, turns around, and looks towards the door or the floor indicator above the door. He got on and stood there facing everyone as the door closed behind him. It was instantaneously funny and amazing. People got really kind of uncomfortable with this odd breach of elevator protocol and began appearing nervous. It was weird, yet hilarious. It was as if they all had the feeling that they might have ants walking up their pant legs.

Another time, he and I were in a mall, and we went into a shoe store because I needed some sneakers. When I paid, he asked the cute young girl behind the counter if it was possible to buy just one shoe. She said she didn’t think so, and said “Why would you need to?”

He replied “What if I only had one leg?”

She paused and furrowed her forehead, then said “Well, I guess you would have to find someone who was missing the other leg, and you could split the cost...”
and so on. I thought it was amusing.

When were on the ship, we were completely bored one day, and he began hitting his head against the padded steel bulkhead while saying “I’m not crazy...I’m not crazy...” and all of a sudden he had a little stream of red blood running down his balding forehead.

Apparently, one of the “buttons” on the bulkhead padding (which had the appearance of a quilted chair with buttons that puckered the fabric) had fallen off, and all that remained of it was a little sharp metal clip that must have been hidden right below the surface of the canvas quilting, and when he playfully bumped his head against it, it poked through and cut him. He said when they asked him in sick bay how he cut it, he said “I was banging my head against the wall while I told everyone I wasn’t crazy...”

Heh, I wish I could have been a fly on the wall...:) Anyway, there is some weird quirkiness about Feynman that reminded me of this guy.


195 posted on 07/28/2013 6:46:56 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: rlmorel
It’s a funny thing, I’m pretty sure that my politics and his politics are fairly far apart in some areas, but I have to admit that he would’ve been a lot of fun to spend an evening with, having drinks around a table somewhere… :-)

Yeah I think the same thing. There was this woman I used to work with. She was a liberal atheist that drove a hybrid. She and I used to have the best discussions, almost as interesting as the lesbian artist I used to hand out, but that is a story for a different time.

196 posted on 07/28/2013 6:53:22 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: mware

Did you teach Biology in a small upstate NY school district?

Not my district but your years teaching and salary sound like someone I know retiring this year.


197 posted on 07/28/2013 6:55:24 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: beaversmom

“Nearly half of the parents in this state can’t afford to feed their children? Really?”

If we had Great Depression I soup kitchens instead of EBT cards, you’d be stunned at the lines.

It is not unusual to meet people who have been looking for work for three years or more.


198 posted on 07/29/2013 12:05:58 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc

I know things are tough for many people. I’m not disputing that, but my dad grew up during the Great Depression to a single mother. Sometimes they had string beans and fat back for dinner. My dad is going on for 83 now. I won’t say he’s going strong...he’s an elderly man, but he and his sister made it. No help from the government. His mom did what they had to do to survive. Sometimes it wasn’t pretty or moral, but she got him to 16 years old before she died.

I’ve told this story on FR a few times. Just a few years ago, my oldest two attended a charter school for a few months. The charter was in its first year. For some reason, a charter school in this area/state? can’t offer a lunch program in its first year. So for the first year, *every* child had to bring their own lunch to school. The next year, when lunch could be offered, almost half were on a free/reduced lunch.


199 posted on 07/29/2013 12:17:04 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: MacMattico

I teach Life Science, 7th graders, in a rural area of South Jersey.


200 posted on 07/29/2013 9:48:41 AM PDT by mware
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