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Having It All Without Having Children
Time ^ | Aug. 12, 2013 | Lauren Sandler

Posted on 08/04/2013 8:34:51 AM PDT by Kip Russell

One evening when she was 14 years old, Laura Scott was washing dishes in the kitchen with her mother when she decided she didn't want to have a child. At 26, Scott got married and waited for her mind to change. "It never happened," she says. "And I realized I was going to be fine." Now 50, Scott is more than fine: she's fulfilled. And she's not alone. The birthrate in the U.S. is the lowest in recorded American history. From 2007 to 2011, the most recent year for which there's data, the fertility rate declined 9%. A 2010 Pew Research report showed that childlessness has risen across all racial and ethnic groups, adding up to about 1 in 5 American women who end their childbearing years maternity-free, compared with 1 in 10 in the 1970s.

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TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: abortion; birthrate; childfree; generationy; moralabsolutes; timemag; trends
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1 posted on 08/04/2013 8:34:51 AM PDT by Kip Russell
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To: Kip Russell

It has a number of names: Disobedience, selfishness, demographics, it all adds up to the next generation paying the price for your lifestyle. God help us? Not likely!

...and when I say your lifestyle, it is general, not specific.


2 posted on 08/04/2013 8:52:41 AM PDT by wita
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To: wita

Go boomers! You rule!


3 posted on 08/04/2013 9:01:15 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: Kip Russell

And because of women like her we have illegal immigrants flooding into this country doing the work she wouldn’t do.


4 posted on 08/04/2013 9:02:27 AM PDT by dragonblustar
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To: Kip Russell
Why have Children,
the Government will take care of you when you are old

Do I really need to add the /sarc tag...

5 posted on 08/04/2013 9:03:48 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: Kip Russell
Natural selection.
6 posted on 08/04/2013 9:04:30 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Kip Russell
I think it's helpful when people know the future will be better without more people like them. For example, people like the writers and readers of Time.
7 posted on 08/04/2013 9:08:49 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Ask me about the Weiner Wager. Support Free Republic!)
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To: Kip Russell
it's a blessing these types of people do not have children because they would not be fit parents if they did...
8 posted on 08/04/2013 9:11:23 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: dragonblustar

Good heavens. Well considering that the marriage rate is falling and the out-of-wedlock birth rate with a great chance for life in poverty is soaring it is difficult to think of a worse reason for having kids than doing it to send a message on immigration.


9 posted on 08/04/2013 9:12:58 AM PDT by erlayman
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To: Tax-chick

Yes...I am not unhappy when selfish, narcissistic, and likely commie lib types do not have babies. Let the conservative, constitution loving folks have oodles of them!!!


10 posted on 08/04/2013 9:13:36 AM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: goodnesswins
Yes...I am not unhappy when selfish, narcissistic, and likely commie lib types do not have babies. Let the conservative, constitution loving folks have oodles of them!!!

There are also conservative, constitution loving folk who have no desire to have children. Mind you, as long as you support your kids without government assistance, I don't have the slightest problem with someone having as my kids as they like...just as I have no problem with someone having no children.

11 posted on 08/04/2013 9:20:47 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Chode
it's a blessing these types of people do not have children because they would not be fit parents if they did.

I'm single, and likely to remain so. Being responsible for a child would be enormously irresponsible in my case, which is why I will almost certainly never have any.

Well...that, and the fact that I don't want any to begin with. :-)

12 posted on 08/04/2013 9:27:36 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Chode
Agreed. We all know some people just aren't meant to be parents. Still, too many of them have children and we must bear the consequences (unruly, disrespectful children, higher crime rates, etc).

I must be talking about liberals!!

13 posted on 08/04/2013 9:28:36 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: jeffc
100%
14 posted on 08/04/2013 9:31:14 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Kip Russell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG2cux_6Rcw&feature=player_detailpage&t=4

Or, in this case. . .a woman.


15 posted on 08/04/2013 9:37:17 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Tax-chick

Isn’t it ironic that for its article on the childfree lifestyle that Time magazine shows on its cover a couple including a woman whose buxomness practically screams fecundity & motherhood?


16 posted on 08/04/2013 9:37:36 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: HangnJudge
Why have Children, the Government will take care of you when you are old Do I really need to add the /sarc tag...

And even those who have children, might now need to worry whether those adult children will take care of them ...

... I read an article somewhere about a growing trend of adult children abandoning their elderly parents to the tender care of the State.

Although the article didn't give a theory as to why this should be, I immediately thought, "This is the day care generation." I.e., children who were abandoned to day care centers when they were small, will not bond properly with their parents -- and may not feel any particular duty toward them when their parents become old and infirm.

One more comment re the linked article in Time mag:

With fertility treatment widely available...even clinically infertile women have more options than ever to become mothers...

The "Time" writer neglects to mention something important: That we now know that some infertility treatments, e.g. IVF, run a high risk of producing children with a variety of physical and mental problems.

17 posted on 08/04/2013 9:39:15 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: Tax-chick
I think it's helpful when people know the future will be better without more people like them. For example, people like the writers and readers of Time.

Best post of the week....

18 posted on 08/04/2013 9:39:22 AM PDT by Castlebar
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To: Kip Russell

I would not want a life without children. I would have done anything to be a mother. It was my number one goal since my own childhood. And it’s true: it is the most fulfilling, satisfying thing in life to me. I fought infertility and won. It isn’t everything but to me, parenthood nearly is everything.


19 posted on 08/04/2013 9:41:23 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: elcid1970
There is now in the kultursmog absolutely no connection between having sex and having children. It's almost as if a large segment of society has forgotten basic reproductive biology.

For instance, have you noticed that every time a celebrity has a baby, it's either a "surprise" or a "miracle"? Never, "Like, duh ... when a man and a woman have sex, this is what happens!"

20 posted on 08/04/2013 9:41:23 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Ask me about the Weiner Wager. Support Free Republic!)
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To: Castlebar

Thank you!


21 posted on 08/04/2013 9:42:40 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Ask me about the Weiner Wager. Support Free Republic!)
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To: wita

“paying the price for your lifestyle. “

Paying what price, exactly? What, precisely, do they pay if a couple does not have children? We have more people in this country than ever. There are now ever 300 million people in it. Why do you think there needs to be more? When I was born there were about 200 million. We were fine then. Why do we need 300 million?


22 posted on 08/04/2013 10:00:57 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Yaelle
I fought infertility and won. It isn’t everything but to me, parenthood nearly is everything.

Given how important this was to you, I'm very glad you were able to have children.

23 posted on 08/04/2013 10:09:09 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Tax-chick
There is now in the kultursmog absolutely no connection between having sex and having children. It's almost as if a large segment of society has forgotten basic reproductive biology.

Well, given the availability of modern birth control methods, the connection between sex and having children is largely optional.

24 posted on 08/04/2013 10:12:50 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell; Tax-chick
There is now in the kultursmog absolutely no connection between having sex and having children. It's almost as if a large segment of society has forgotten basic reproductive biology.

Well, given the availability of modern birth control methods, the connection between sex and having children is largely optional.

It's the "disconnect" that's coming back to bite us all, and bite us hard.

We've gone from "blessed event" to "baby bump" (as if that's some sort of optional fashion accessory.)

It seems that with the rise in "legal" abortion (child-killing) and contraceptive (child-preventing) technologies, there has also been a rise is development of greater fertility-enhancing technologies. There is nothing natural about this.

What we were taught in school about birth control (oral contraception) was that it was a mother's labor saving-device, an escape from what would have been a drudgery of endless pregnancies and premature aging and a houseful of unwanted, excess children. The extreme case scenario was made to be the biggest selling point, just as rape and incest were made to be the selling points for abortion. We all know how that turned out.

25 posted on 08/04/2013 10:26:17 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: Kip Russell

IMHO, if you don’t want children then fine. However, don’t plan on changing your mind when you hit 40 something. I use to work with a woman who had about four abortions. One was done very quickly because she and her husband were going on a cruise. Didn’t want morning sickness to mess that up. Long story short, she hit forty something and lo and behold.. she suddenly wanted a child. She had taken her cruises and vacations.. she had her big home, she had it decorated beautifully, she had her job/career but yet... something was missing. The whole in vitro process began and she was a complete nut job each month when she wasn’t pregnant with the now supposedly desperately wanted child. So.. like I said... if you don’t want one then fine. However, don’t think that you can suddenly change your mind later and you will get your wish.


26 posted on 08/04/2013 10:26:28 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: momtothree

How awful. What kind of a woman is this? FOUR ABORTIONS, just as if she were removing a hangnail or something!


27 posted on 08/04/2013 10:29:22 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: thecodont

You are correct, what a horrible person.


28 posted on 08/04/2013 10:29:51 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: thecodont

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTCQpjUrCe8

Really, who wouldn’t want one?


29 posted on 08/04/2013 10:31:07 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: momtothree
So.. like I said... if you don’t want one then fine. However, don’t think that you can suddenly change your mind later and you will get your wish.

No danger of that; I'm just past 50 now, and can honestly say that there isn't the slightest chance I'll ever want children.

30 posted on 08/04/2013 10:35:49 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: thecodont

All four abortions were done when she was married. The most heartless and cold woman. The worst scene was the abortion prior to the cruise. She wanted to make sure all the bleeding had stopped so she wouldn’t be stuck in her cabin rather than snorkeling. I personally think her “change of heart” had more to do with her parents and his parents making out their wills. I believe they were giving bigger percentages to the children who had children. Made sense to me because they wanted those children to have larger “nest eggs” to pay for braces, schooling, etc..


31 posted on 08/04/2013 10:37:05 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: GeronL
Really, who wouldn’t want one?

One of these?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gLlBv_SrZw

32 posted on 08/04/2013 10:39:40 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: momtothree
I personally think her “change of heart” had more to do with her parents and his parents making out their wills. I believe they were giving bigger percentages to the children who had children. Made sense to me because they wanted those children to have larger “nest eggs” to pay for braces, schooling, etc..

I recently heard of a never-married over-40 woman who adopted a child (and had never in years past expressed any genuine desire for babies and children), and I wonder if it was for the same reasons.

33 posted on 08/04/2013 10:41:03 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: Kip Russell

Parenthood isn’t for everyone. My point is that it isn’t a decision one can necessarily change when it is now convenient. If a person has no interest whatsoever becoming a parent then fine. However, one should take every necessary precaution not to get someone pregnant or become pregnant and kill the child.


34 posted on 08/04/2013 10:42:02 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: dragonblustar

And the children of these illegal immigrants will feel no obligation to pay higher taxes to pay her pension or Social Security benefits.


35 posted on 08/04/2013 10:45:00 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: thecodont

Maybe she was waiting for Mr. Right and he never appeared. However, I do know a lot of people who arrange their will distribution based on need rather than an equal split. Many grandparents want their grandchildren the ability to get college or just some better things in life.


36 posted on 08/04/2013 10:45:59 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: momtothree
If a person has no interest whatsoever becoming a parent then fine. However, one should take every necessary precaution not to get someone pregnant or become pregnant and kill the child.

Can't argue with that...

37 posted on 08/04/2013 10:46:26 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: momtothree; Kip Russell

You don’t have to have children, but killing them is a whole ‘nother thing


38 posted on 08/04/2013 10:47:31 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: thecodont
I recently heard of a never-married over-40 woman who adopted a child (and had never in years past expressed any genuine desire for babies and children), and I wonder if it was for the same reasons.

Unless she stands to inherit a small fortune, that's a terrible "investment". Kids are expensive (or so I've heard).

39 posted on 08/04/2013 10:49:10 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell

Hmmm....but, those libs supporting their kids w/o gov’t assistance seem to vote for everyone ELSE to support the “poor.” Until they wake up...but, it’s getting late.


40 posted on 08/04/2013 10:52:58 AM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: wita
It has a number of names: Disobedience, selfishness, demographics, it all adds up to the next generation paying the price for your lifestyle. God help us? Not likely!

...and when I say your lifestyle, it is general, not specific.

Well, if I'm going to be perfectly honest, at least part of the reason I don't want children could possibly be described as selfishness. I was recently speaking with someone at work, and the subject of which countries we'd each been to came up. I mentioned that I'd been to Canada, Iceland, Germany, France, Italy, England, Scotland, Costa Rica, Mexico, and the Cayman Islands, and was about to go to South Africa.

To which she said, "You must not have any kids". I grinned.

Being childless (or, if you want to use the latest fad word, "childfree") allows me to take frequent vacations and buy the latest toys, and still save substantial amounts of money...and that's the way I like it.

Now, as for "disobedience"...that's a bit of a stretch, isn't it? Who exactly am I being disobedient towards?

41 posted on 08/04/2013 11:01:17 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: goodnesswins
Hmmm....but, those libs supporting their kids w/o gov’t assistance seem to vote for everyone ELSE to support the “poor.” Until they wake up...but, it’s getting late.

I'd say that's more a function of them being leftists than anything else.

42 posted on 08/04/2013 11:02:43 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell

Being childless and happy is fine. Whatever works for you. However, cultures and societies need to embrace growth of families in order to survive.


43 posted on 08/04/2013 11:06:00 AM PDT by cornfedcowboy
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To: Kip Russell

Rabbits don’t care for their offspring much emotionally. In Evolutionary Ecology, it is called low-investment, single-parenting, and it exists as a way to maximize offspring production, along with fleeing from danger, promiscuity, earlier sexualization of young, and selfishness/lack of loyalty.

It is all part of the r-selected reproductive strategy, which is designed to exploit resource gluts by hedonistically producing as many offspring as possible, as fast as possible, to out-reproduce everyone else.

Here, the intellectual ability to enjoy the promiscuity, and reduce parental investment to zero with birth control and abortion is going to gradually eliminate any Liberal who can actually plan ahead and use birth control. In a hundred years, most Liberals will basically be Rachael Jeantel, since that is all this new selective pressure will leave behind.

Liberals hate to think that all that they stand for is just a bunch of urges which emerge to exploit our present resource glut, but that is all the entire ideology is.

They are the rabbit people in our species.


44 posted on 08/04/2013 11:10:53 AM PDT by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: AnonymousConservative
In a hundred years, most Liberals will basically be Rachael Jeantel, since that is all this new selective pressure will leave behind.


45 posted on 08/04/2013 11:18:35 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell
It shouldn't surprise anybody that there are people who don't want children - or to serve their country in uniform - or anything else that requires dedication and sacrifice. We have the spectacle of the 60s and 70s' "me generation" and it would follow that a large portion of our country is checking out and conducting "autogenocide".

I tend to agree with earlier posters that maybe it's a blessing that the terminally self-centered don't want kids. But it is sad that some of these people are nominally intelligent and otherwise productive - while the nonproductive and unintelligent seem to be exuberantly fertile. The formula for the end of our society, n'est-ce pas?

Between the gays and the selfish non-parents, a lot of dead branches on those family trees.

46 posted on 08/04/2013 11:26:57 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Kip Russell

There have always been people who don’t want to have kids. Unfortunately, most did not figure it out until they had a few.


47 posted on 08/04/2013 11:28:50 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Kip Russell
"Now, as for "disobedience"...that's a bit of a stretch, isn't it? Who exactly am I being disobedient towards? "

To yourself and all of those generations of predecessors who made you. All those parents and grandparents who sacrificed to bring you about wasted their time when it came to your turn.

Really happy for you that you travelled a lot. So did I, but the Marine Corps covered the travelling expenses and I still managed to have several worthy descendants anyway.

48 posted on 08/04/2013 11:33:28 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail
To yourself

So...by not having children, I'm disobeying a command I gave to myself. It's odd, I don't recall giving myself such an order...any idea exactly when I do so?

and all of those generations of predecessors who made you.

I also seemed to have missed the part where my great-great-great-great grandfather commanded every one of his great-great-great-great grandchildren, "Hey! I need some great-great-great-great-great grandkids. Get crackin'!"

My parents are still around, mind you...and they don't have the slightest problem with the fact that I don't have kids...so your premise that my predecessors (of which my parents certainly qualify) wasted their time seems flawed at best.

Really happy for you that you travelled a lot. So did I, but the Marine Corps covered the travelling expenses

Thank you for your service. Having a received a medical discharge from the Army shortly after volunteering, I've had to cover my expenses myself.

I still managed to have several worthy descendants anyway.

Good for you! (and no, that's not sarcasm) To each their own, yes?

49 posted on 08/04/2013 11:47:59 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell

if not having children means killing numerous babies in the womb, you are definitely disobeying God


50 posted on 08/04/2013 11:50:04 AM PDT by GeronL
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