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Chapter 10 (Conclusions) of the Betrayal of Joe Paterno
framingpaterno.com ^ | 7-8-13 | John Ziegler

Posted on 08/04/2013 8:25:08 PM PDT by FlJoePa

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To: wideawake

No you didn’t get it — try again


81 posted on 08/05/2013 6:31:37 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Rodd OB

The truth will come out. People should be more disgusted with the actions of the state of Pennsylvania than anything Joe Paterno ever did or didn’t do.


82 posted on 08/05/2013 7:26:32 AM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: Vigilanteman

You misconstrued what I posted.


83 posted on 08/05/2013 7:30:08 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: FlJoePa

Free Republic has a lot of LIPs — Low Information Posters

Many of these LIPs don’t comprehend that the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare [DPW] investigated Sandusky in 1998 and chose not to prosecute.

DPW got involved back then because they were contacted by a mandated reporter who had first hand evidence and follow-up evidence from LE, but DPW closed the case.

And we are all supposed to believe that DPW, if notified in 2001, would have come to the rescue and saved the day.


84 posted on 08/05/2013 8:05:50 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
In their defense, this scandal is the most twisted, complicated mess in the history of the free world. Watergate was 10 times less complicated than this.

It's almost comical that they are making a movie. We are barely to halftime.

To come out on top, the supporters will have had to take on and defeat (in no particular order):

Their own board of trustees
Their own University president
The sitting governor
The state's office of Attorney General
The state police
The corrupt former FBI director
The self-serving ncaa
The state and local agencies
The entire media - especially a vindictive sports media
The bitter trolls and fans of other schools

Did I forget anyone?
85 posted on 08/05/2013 8:30:36 AM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: FlJoePa
I am not a Joe Paterno fan, especially because his pre-Sandusky treatment by too many of the Happy Valley people was flat-out idolatry of a football coach, or a ridiculously-long orgy of "Let's-All-Hail-Jesus'-Palm-Sunday-Arrival-in-Jerusalem" parade. One would have thought old Joe had cured cancer or something, based on the way too many people across the country, including my dearly-departed Dad, acted. But, to be consistent, if I was critical about how Joe Paterno was literally placed on a pedestal, while still alive no less (which, to me, is always an effective way of begging Fortune to turn her back on you), I am even less impressed at how quickly Joe Paterno's life and reputation were both cast down in a high-tech media mob action. Ziegler may be wrong about most things, but he is not wrong in pointing out that what happened to Joe Paterno was nothing less than a practice-round for what turned out to be the real tournament in Broward County Florida: the ridiculously-political trial of George Zimmerman. In this case, the medial miscalculated because it failed to account for the fact that George Z was not a sick old man dying of cancer.
86 posted on 08/05/2013 8:45:12 AM PDT by Trentamj
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To: Trentamj

The media, freeh, and the ncaa miscalculated with Joe as well - not counting on 650K living alumni that are well funded, active, and very capable of taking them on.

Joe wasn’t a saint. He’d be the first to say so. He was a football coach that made his kids go to class.


87 posted on 08/05/2013 8:52:12 AM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: Revolting cat!
Chances that anyone will read this screed from beginning to end: 0%.

I just did, so your 0% is wrong. In reading it, I learned some facts about the story I had never heard before.

Can the hyped up leftist media along with corrupt prosecutors create a false narrative? Ask George Zimmerman.

88 posted on 08/05/2013 9:18:56 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: SeaHawkFan
JoePa admitted he knew something was going on with Sandusky, knew it had been reported to the University admin and police, yet did nothing to follow up. The “in hindsight” reference is strong evidence he knew. If he didn’t, why would he not simply say he didn’t know what Sandusky had done. Sandusky was eventually banned from the facilities and JoePa didn’t know what had happened? Are you really that naive?

Your post shows that you have followed the mainstream media narritive. However that narrative is not what actually happened.

89 posted on 08/05/2013 9:28:24 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: SamAdams76
Glad you are having good fun in protecting an enabler of a pedophile, who was conclusively proven to have concealed Jerry Sandusky's actions in order to protect a celebrated football program at Penn State.

When was that "conclusively proven."

90 posted on 08/05/2013 9:40:15 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: Ditto

Good for you, you win, we the non-readers, the bored, the naysayers lose! Speaking of ‘false narratives’ what do you call the author’s list of bets he would make on the percentages of his “chances”.


91 posted on 08/05/2013 9:46:11 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: SeaHawkFan
The “in hindsight” reference is strong evidence he knew.

Yeh -- he found out in 2012 what went on in 2001. That's called "hindsight".

Sandusky was eventually banned from the facilities and JoePa didn’t know what had happened?

First of all Sandusky was not banned from the facilities. He was forbidden from bringing any of his TSM kids into the facilities with him anymore.

But think about what you just said: Joe didn't see Sandusky bringing his kids into the facilities anymore. If you are Paterno, what would you conclude from that??? Would you not conclude from that that the higher-ups had addressed the Sandusky matter and dealt with him and handed out sanctions???

So where is the conspiracy to cover up???

92 posted on 08/05/2013 9:50:16 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Revolting cat!
Speaking of ‘false narratives’ what do you call the author’s list of bets he would make on the percentages of his “chances”.

I guess we'll have to see how they play out. We should know in the trial of the administrators soon enough, but it does seem that the state has no smoking gun on the cover-up charges, and none of the accused have offered to plea bargain in exchange for implicating the others, so right now it does not look too good for the state's case.

93 posted on 08/05/2013 9:54:28 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: Uncle Chip

You do understand that Sandusky’s in a supermax prison doing 60 years on 45 counts of sexual abuse on young boys, right?

What the heck is wrong with you?


94 posted on 08/05/2013 9:54:43 AM PDT by Bullish (Psalm 46)
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To: Bullish

You do understand that Sandusky abused those boys — not Paterno and not anybody else.

What the heck is wrong with you?


95 posted on 08/05/2013 10:02:59 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Bullish; wideawake; SamAdams76
The Penn State/Paterno fan club is determined to believe their hero could never have done the wrong thing. To consider he might have turned a blind eye to a horrible predator in his program in order to save the program's reputation is impossible to them since he was such a winning coach.

That Sandusky WAS the coach responsible for giving PSU the nick name "linebacker U" eludes them. That Paterno avoided judgment on this man and what he was doing several times during his tenure eludes them.

That the best you can say in this matter is Paterno failed to act as he should have WHILE IT WAS HAPPENING eludes them. To realize that he could have done more is THE BEST FACE YOU CAN PUT ON HOW HE REACTED eludes them.

That Occam's razor would point most anyone to the conclusion that the man likely ignored the facts, never followed up on horrendous accusations, and protected his program rather than blow the whistle on his right hand man while young men were being savaged is beyond them.

Talk about sick......

96 posted on 08/05/2013 10:36:00 AM PDT by Lakeshark (KILL THE BILL! CALL. FAX. WRITE)
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To: Lakeshark
"To consider he might have turned a blind eye to a horrible predator in his program in order to save the program's reputation is impossible to them..."

You are aware that js was a retired coach in 2001, right?

97 posted on 08/05/2013 10:50:11 AM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: Lakeshark
To consider he might have turned a blind eye to a horrible predator in his program in order to save the program's reputation is impossible to them since he was such a winning coach.

Sandusky was not employed by the university when this incident occurred. He had been retired for 3 years. But please don't let that stop your prefabrications.

Paterno avoided judgment on this man and what he was doing several times during his tenure eludes them.

That's not true either as Paterno told Sandusky in 1997 that he would never be head coach and that's when he decided to retire.

That the best you can say in this matter is Paterno failed to act as he should have WHILE IT WAS HAPPENING eludes them.

So now you are accusing Paterno of sitting in his office while Sandusky was in the shower molesting young boys

To realize that he could have done more is THE BEST FACE YOU CAN PUT ON HOW HE REACTED eludes them.

You can't even get that quote right.

That Occam's razor would point most anyone to the conclusion that the man likely ignored the facts

That's what can be concluded about you and this post of yours is evidence of that ...

Talk about sick.

98 posted on 08/05/2013 10:55:49 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: FlJoePa
Thank you for posting this.

The wisest and most cautious of us all frequently gives credit to stories which he himself is afterwards both ashamed and astonished that he could possibly think of believing . . .

It is acquired wisdom and experience only that teach incredulity,
and they very seldom teach it enough.
  - Adam Smith

IMHO the reason FR is so addictive is that we all feel the need to pool our “incredulity” in order to avoid giving credit to stories which we will afterward be ashamed and astonished that we could possibly think of believing.
And when it comes to identifying these “stories,” IMHO the fact that the propaganda media are selling is a pretty good reason to be cautious about buying. As you say, we have the Zimmerman persecution as a lively current example. There was the Duke Lacrosse “rape” hoax, and there was the Tawana Brawley hoax, and so forth and so on.

99 posted on 08/05/2013 11:14:38 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (“Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Thanks for the kind, and intelligent reply. Adam Smith is a hero of mine and I had never seen that quote before. Thanks for that as well.

As for Joe, he’s X and O’ing with the Bear in Heaven right now. He lived a life that collectively his detractors could never approach. That is their real problem. His toppling makes them feel better about themselves.


100 posted on 08/05/2013 11:26:06 AM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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