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Man dragged under by crab pot, drowns
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | September 1, 2013 | Erin Allday

Posted on 09/02/2013 11:04:45 AM PDT by artichokegrower

A man died Sunday morning in Tomales Bay when he fell over the side of a boat while dumping a crab pot into the water just a few hundred yards off shore, according to the Marin County Fire Department.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: chitchat; crabpots; drowning
Deadliest Catch
1 posted on 09/02/2013 11:04:45 AM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower
Report are that he didn't notice his foot was entangled in the rope, and he was not wearing a life vest.
2 posted on 09/02/2013 11:19:57 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: artichokegrower
The man was unaware that his leg had become tangled in a rope attached to the pot, and was quickly pulled overboard and dragged under by the weight.

How can it be that a man doing that kind of work, didn't make a sheath knife a part of his work clothes.

3 posted on 09/02/2013 11:22:00 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: artichokegrower

Just another empty shell of a man.


4 posted on 09/02/2013 11:23:16 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: ansel12
How can it be that a man doing that kind of work, didn't make a sheath knife a part of his work clothes.

Exactly what I was going to ask. I never go into the woods or on the water without a sheath knife. I suspect some leftist moron taught him that "knives are bad", so he drowned with no "bad" tools on him.

5 posted on 09/02/2013 11:32:41 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: artichokegrower

Sometimes your the fisherman and sometimes your the fish.


6 posted on 09/02/2013 11:34:38 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Vendome

man likely was wearing heavy oilskins, boots, gloves, etc.

the shock of hitting cold water, and being pulled under rapidly, probably would have negated attempts to get to a belt-loop mounted sheath and knife.

i grew up on the islands off coastal Maine Not unusual to find a lobster boat circling, sans fisherman, in any given year

..dangerous work...safer to be a cop..


7 posted on 09/02/2013 11:37:50 AM PDT by telstar12.5 (...always bring gunships to a gun fight...)
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To: ansel12
How can it be that a man doing that kind of work, didn't make a sheath knife a part of his work clothes.

What are the chances of not dropping said knife if one is suddenly yanked overboard and pulled under water?

8 posted on 09/02/2013 11:40:49 AM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: ansel12

Have you ever watched Deadliest Catch? Things like that happen so fast there is almost no time to react. It’s also likely that he may have been knocked unconscious by getting slammed into the rail as the pot dragged him over the side.


9 posted on 09/02/2013 11:42:17 AM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: artichokegrower

There are dangers in most every job.

Accidents happen.

Once in a while a worker gets dragged through a mulcher.

Farmers get caught in machinery, electric workers get electrocuted, you can die at any time. Be ready with the Lord.


10 posted on 09/02/2013 11:48:03 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: ClaytonP

Why would he have his knife in his hand before he was already being dragged overboard, it sounds like he was totally surprised.

Why would you want to argue against the everyday tool that he should have had on him and that would probably have saved his life, anyway?


11 posted on 09/02/2013 11:49:50 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: telstar12.5

>>..dangerous work...safer to be a cop..<<

Paleeeeze! Safer to be a cop? What makes you think police work is dangerous? It doesn’t make the list for America’s Ten Most Dangerous Jobs.


12 posted on 09/02/2013 11:57:20 AM PDT by Daffynition (Life's short- paddle hard!)
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To: TigersEye
Things like that happen so fast there is almost no time to react.

So you are under water and you pull your knife and cut the rope.

I used to serve in a military unit that tested us by blind folding us while we were fully armed and dressed, and having us walk into water, the test was to simulate patrolling in pitch dark and then suddenly finding yourself in a river or pond, a person merely lets things settle down for a second and then deals with the situation.

While you guys are arguing against a knife being helpful, I personally would have had a knife, I carry two on me everyday just living regular life, and would sure have had one appropriate to doing that work.

13 posted on 09/02/2013 11:57:35 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: telstar12.5
the shock of hitting cold water, and being pulled under rapidly, probably would have negated attempts to get to a belt-loop mounted sheath and knife.

Oh please... not everyone is a panicky dork, and hopefully not most men who make their living on fishing boats. You describe a sheath knife the way the media describes a pistol used in a crime, overly dramaticly and using far too many words.

14 posted on 09/02/2013 12:01:54 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: artichokegrower

I have long been an opponent of legalized pot.

Pot kills!


15 posted on 09/02/2013 12:04:54 PM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: Pollster1

Many years ago I read about a rescue woman who was dropped into the water to rescue a pilot, while I wondered at a woman with little upper strength doing that work, the article said that she lost the pilot because she did not have a knife to cut him out of his harness, or chute lines or something.

How insane is that?


16 posted on 09/02/2013 12:08:03 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

I’m not arguing against a knife being helpful. Did you even read what I said? Did they test you by dragging you into a ship’s rail at a speed that could easily break your leg and split your skull wide open? Every crew member on every boat in the series Deadliest Catch does carry a knife so your assumption that he didn’t have a knife is just intellectual laziness.


17 posted on 09/02/2013 12:08:13 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: ansel12

Gee, I hope people are more charitable to you if you someday have a fatal accident (which I hope does not happen).

There’s only so much one can do with a sudden thing like this. He might have dropped his knife, been hit on the head, swallowed water immediately and started to choke, etc.

Just be right with the Lord, that’s the best preparation. Do the other things too, but you never know at the last minute.


18 posted on 09/02/2013 12:10:00 PM PDT by livius
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To: ansel12
America's most dangerous jobs

The American workplace is less dangerous than it was last year, but at these 10 jobs every day is a gamble.

#1 Fishermen

Fatality rate per 100,000 workers: 121.2

Median wage: $30,220

Forty fishermen lost their lives last year, according to the Labor Department's annual report on workplace fatalities.

But things used to be much worse: "Conditions were so bad, the loss of life and vessels was so great that getting insurance was starting to be a major problem," said Leslie Hughes, who founded the North Pacific Fishing Vessel Owners' Association Vessel Safety Program, which trains fishermen in safety skills such as fire prevention, damage control and cold water survival.

The training has helped, but so have big changes to the fishing quota system. Instead of each crew working around the clock in all sorts of weather to catch as many fish as they can before a fleet-wide cap is reached, boats get assigned individual quotas they can fill at anytime within the season.

"Under the old system, they had to get out as soon as they could and fish as quickly as they could," said Hughes. "They can get out of the weather now."

19 posted on 09/02/2013 12:12:17 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Pollster1; ansel12

Heck, I’m sitting here at a computer and have a serrated Spyderco Delica clipped in my pocket, as I do most of the time (98%+) I’m not dressed for bed. I can’t imagine not having one at hand. Maybe it happened too fast, and he was taken down to depth very quickly, such that a knife didn’t matter?

In any case, some added buoyancy from a life vest, a knife, and some quick thinking would have likely led to a favorable outcome here.


20 posted on 09/02/2013 12:16:18 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: livius

What was uncharitable in post 13?


21 posted on 09/02/2013 12:21:39 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: artichokegrower

I’d hate to be slowly dragged down and think, “Hmm, I didn’t get knocked out, I know exactly what happened and what is about to happen, that knot sure is tight, this water is warmer than I thought it would be, and my knife is sitting right by the bait bucket. Oh well.”


22 posted on 09/02/2013 12:28:16 PM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: TigersEye

LOL, that TV show really plays a big part on this thread.

This was a California crabber, a couple of hundred yards off the beach.

You are upset at my assumption that he didn’t have a knife, but want to fill in the story with this? “”dragging you into a ship’s rail at a speed that could easily break your leg and split your skull wide open?””

I used to set out crab traps myself, as a kid.


23 posted on 09/02/2013 12:34:07 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: FreedomPoster

I wonder if he was alone.

We don’t have any details at this point.


24 posted on 09/02/2013 12:38:14 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12
a person merely lets things settle down for a second and then deals with the situation.

In this case, one second might add ear splitting pain due to the depth he had been pulled down to.

25 posted on 09/02/2013 12:50:17 PM PDT by fso301
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To: ansel12

It’s Kalifornia. Probably would have to go to jail for doing such a thing.


26 posted on 09/02/2013 12:52:02 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: ansel12
I used to set out crab traps myself, as a kid.

You just revel in making the dumbest comments you can think of.

27 posted on 09/02/2013 12:52:44 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: TigersEye

Why in the world is that a dumb comment?


28 posted on 09/02/2013 1:02:33 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Cold Heart
California is not bad on knife laws, I have often carried a knife as large as the Bill Bagwell, Hell's Belle Bowie, especially in biker bars.

The Hell's Belle is almost 17" long with an 11 inch blade and is a true fighting Bowie, it is not for camp chores.

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29 posted on 09/02/2013 1:10:20 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: artichokegrower

Good argument for wearing a neck knife in addition to the work knife that got away from you.


30 posted on 09/02/2013 1:10:54 PM PDT by Anton.Rutter
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To: meadsjn

Coast Guard:
This is the United States Coast Guard is this the missing fisherman’s wife?

Fisherman’s wife: Yes it is.

Coast Guard:

Well ma’am I’m afraid we have some good news, bad news and hopeful news for you.

Fisherman’s wife:

Well give me the bad news first.

Coast Guard:

Ma’am we have found your husband’s body and it appears that he drowned while crab fishing by being dragged down by the crab pot.

Fisherman’s wife:

Oh my that’s horrible. What is the good news?

Coast Guard:

Well when we brought him up we had a nice limit of Dungenous crab.

Fisherman’s wife:

Well I suppose that is good news. What on Earth could the hopeful news be?

Coast Guard:

Well ma’am we put him back down and we’ll come back tomorrow in anticipation of another limti.


31 posted on 09/02/2013 1:20:30 PM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: ansel12

I checked California laws after I posted my comment. Kind of like posting a comment before reading the article:) The one that stood out was it was illegal to carry a folding knife in the open position while exposed (the knife being exposed, not yourself. You will be jumped here on FR for being improper:) because it could be considered a dagger, which is illegal.

I have my Dad’s WWII US Navy knife I would like carry boating but am reluctant to carry because I already lost his WWII Kabar in a diving accident.

Not the same accident where I lost all my reloading equipment.


32 posted on 09/02/2013 1:37:49 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: artichokegrower

RIP.


33 posted on 09/02/2013 1:42:47 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: telstar12.5

Statistically, being a commercial fisherman is more deadly then police work, or being a soldier.


34 posted on 09/02/2013 1:42:50 PM PDT by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: Cold Heart

These are quotes from a Sailing Gear article.

“Some offshore races are now requiring knives on deck and worn by each crewmember”

“The requirement of a cockpit knife has always existed for most offshore and inshore races sailed under the ISAF Special Regulations. Regulations usually require a knife to be kept in the boat’s safety grab bag as well. These rules mandate the on-deck knife be accessible, secure in its scabbard, and made of a quality steel alloy that can withstand environmental abuse. In 2011, however, several studies conducted following two high-profile accidents each recommended all sailors carry a personal knife.

Consequently, the 2012 Mackinac [Race] Safety Requirements (MSR), used for the Chicago-Mac and Bayview-Mac races now require every crewmember to carry a knife while on deck, and always readily available (i.e., on the outside of your gear or PFD).”


35 posted on 09/02/2013 1:53:06 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

As I recall, it’s lagal for commercial fishermen to carry automatic (switchblade) knives.


36 posted on 09/02/2013 2:16:52 PM PDT by cyclotic (Hey BSA-NOT IN MY TROOP)
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To: ansel12

.i’ve worked on these Maine lobster and scallop boats...

.cold and tiring work - boring even; alcohol is prevalent among these folks..

..shit can happen in an instant, and no, they don’t walk around with knives in their hands..


37 posted on 09/02/2013 6:37:12 PM PDT by telstar12.5 (...always bring gunships to a gun fight...)
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To: telstar12.5

Another weird post, with cussing no less.

This was California, not Maine, a few hundred yards off shore, and no one said anything about walking around with a knife in their hand.

Did you read post 35? Why would you be hostile to the advice of carrying a knife on a boat?


38 posted on 09/02/2013 7:00:32 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

I do have knives on me when aboard and when hunting. My favorite sheath knife is my Dad’s USN knife but I just don’t take it on the boat. When I finish my project boat I will bring it on board after the Christening.

Sheath knives are illegal on merchant ships way back when.


39 posted on 09/02/2013 7:08:38 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: telstar12.5
How big are these west coast traps? Any idea?


40 posted on 09/02/2013 7:17:56 PM PDT by Daffynition (Life's short- paddle hard!)
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To: Cold Heart

I like the idea of a short blade, a polymer sheath and a non-pointy tip for a deck knife.

Have you seen this rescue device?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003VS8OQU/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2EPW9ISNDNSOJ&coliid=IHZ98M5Z4M620


41 posted on 09/02/2013 7:27:31 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

There was a time period where I got knives for birthdays, Christmas and just because. That on top of knives I had since I was a kid. When a new super knife comes on the market I really can’t justify buying another one. Except maybe that replaceable blade one as advertised on “The Meateater”

Interesting device.


42 posted on 09/02/2013 9:19:44 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: ClaytonP
a sheath knife a part of his work clothes. What are the chances of not dropping said knife if one is suddenly yanked overboard and pulled under water

I guessing you missed the 'sheath' part where it stays until you use it. You don't carry it around in your hand or between your teeth. It is a tool, don't be afraid.

43 posted on 09/02/2013 9:33:45 PM PDT by xone
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To: telstar12.5
man likely was wearing heavy oilskins, boots, gloves, etc. the shock of hitting cold water, and being pulled under rapidly, probably would have negated attempts to get to a belt-loop mounted sheath and knife.

Thong Hoang Nguyen 40 years of age was from San Jose, and was in a 16 foot skiff with a woman and another man sometime after 9:00 am, summer in California.

The man was under water for about 30 minutes, until rescuers came and cut him loose.

44 posted on 09/02/2013 10:46:35 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Cold Heart
soo sorry, you lost (all :) your reloading equipment in that deep pond
/lake/ocean.. and any other equipment/"tools" lately. :-D

45 posted on 09/02/2013 11:01:07 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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