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This Is Why Most Military Personnel Aren’t Armed on Military Bases — and It’s Not Clinton’s Fault
The Blaze ^ | Sept 17, 2013 | Oliver Darcy

Posted on 09/17/2013 3:03:33 PM PDT by Lucky9teen

Edited on 09/17/2013 3:59:49 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: NVDave

Yes I assume some bases were more apt to give ammunition to troops than others. I can only attest to my own experience.


41 posted on 09/17/2013 4:48:00 PM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: Venturer

I was there and I know better.

Any other questions?


42 posted on 09/17/2013 4:50:26 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: NVDave

I can remember visiting Ellsworth AFB in the late 80’s. We were being given a tour, when we stopped at a chain link fence just outside where they kept and serviced B-52’s. The tour guide invited us to take all the pics we wanted, but to not even think of crossing the fence.

“These planes are guarded by armed personnel around the clock,” he stated. “If you run out to get a closer look, you won’t make it,” he assured us.


43 posted on 09/17/2013 4:54:41 PM PDT by FLAMING DEATH (I'm not racist - I hate Biden too!)
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To: Travis McGee

I can handle a weapon better then most Air Force Security police.

Saw one have a negligent discharge in a mantrap, concrete and heavy metal on all sides. Fortunately all he had was blanks.


44 posted on 09/17/2013 5:00:39 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Lucky9teen

Hey, look! It’s Bush’s fault!


45 posted on 09/17/2013 5:19:03 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Lucky9teen

No matter who issued it, it’s bad policy. Yesterday’s horror proves that.


46 posted on 09/17/2013 5:21:07 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Lucky9teen
“We have never had our soldiers walking around with weapons all the time, other than in combat zones,”

Since 9/11/01, the entire United States is a combat zone.

47 posted on 09/17/2013 5:22:26 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP
No matter who issued it, it’s bad policy.

Once it's discovered it's part of the Bush dynasty...it no longer matters....gak

48 posted on 09/17/2013 5:22:29 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Travis McGee; Squantos
"What changed was not firearms, but culture."

Very true, which comment reminds me of...

"Alas, Brave New Babylon" new fiction by Matt Bracken
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3058882/posts

Well done! Continuing study is a great thing.

To add a trivial point, contemporary iron casting in our western countries is a very high speed and complicated technology compared to methods and equipment of the past. If much interrupted, it wouldn't recover for a very long time. I had a look at it while learning older casting methods. [For the young folks. I probably won't be around long enough for any personal gain from that or other custom work.]

Howdy, Squantos! Hope you got some of this rain down there.


49 posted on 09/17/2013 5:22:49 PM PDT by familyop (Demo ranges suck.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Our service personnel deserve the ability to protect themselves, or at least have that option.

Yes they do, but they continue to be prohibited from doing so.

American service personnel are free, however, to be flaming queers, and apparently are encouraged to be such.

50 posted on 09/17/2013 5:27:50 PM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: Lucky9teen

Bush 1 and every president since is responsible for keeping this policy in effect.


51 posted on 09/17/2013 5:29:49 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Travis McGee; Squantos

This thread brings back some memories, BTW. “Halt! Who goes there!” [familyop snaps his empty weapon to port arms for a rifle butt to an imaginary head.] LOL!


52 posted on 09/17/2013 5:35:13 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Travis McGee

Not talking about being able to fire a single-shot weapon into a crowd. While this could be done at any time since the introduction of firearms, the perp would then immediately be beaten to death by the survivors of his attack, long before he could possibly reload. Guys used to compensate for this somewhat with multiple pistols, and double barrel pistols, but this strategy too obviously has severe limitations.

I agree that the culture has changed, resulting in more people, for whatever reason, with the desire to commit mass murder.

However, there is a huge difference in killing effect between a weapon that fires two rounds per minute, vs. one that fires 40 or 60 rounds per minute for basically unlimited minutes as long as ammo holds out.

How conservatives can say they need the rapid fire capability of an AR-15 in case they need to defend themselves against multiple attackers, while at the same time denying that this capability is equally useful for those who want to murder a lot of people quickly is beyond me.

I’m not in favor of additional restrictions on guns, but there are costs to everything. And that mass murder becomes easier is one of the costs of a society with relatively easy access to rapid-fire, easily reloaded weapons.


53 posted on 09/17/2013 5:50:27 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Mark Steyn: "In the Middle East, the enemy of our enemy is also our enemy.")
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To: Cicero
It's an old custom in most military organizations to keep the weapons in an armory, and only issue them when a battle is anticipated.

And yet, one would think Pearl Harbor might have changed all that. Obviously the easy way to take over any US military base is to take over the armory.

54 posted on 09/17/2013 6:35:16 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (I think Obama and crew feel that time is being wasted and that we need to get the jump on Russian sh)
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To: justa-hairyape

Yes, it used to make me nervous, out there patrolling the perimeter at night with an unloaded rifle.

One thing, though—they didn’t TELL people that the weapons were not loaded. No one could be sure.

What I thought at the time was a huge mistake was when Bill Clinton loudly and publicly TOLD everyone that they could count on all the weapons at military bases being purely for show. To a criminal, that makes it look as easy as shooting up a school.


55 posted on 09/17/2013 7:00:50 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: dragnet2

I was there in 1960 and you are full of it.


56 posted on 09/17/2013 7:26:21 PM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: Venturer

I don’t care when you were there. Not all at Ft. Knox were unarmed. Maybe your were unarmed, but then again, that doesn’t means jack shit does it Mr. Venturer?


57 posted on 09/17/2013 7:34:53 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Cicero

Hopefully they arm the soldiers at bases where they store WMD components.


58 posted on 09/17/2013 7:51:58 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (I think Obama and crew feel that time is being wasted and that we need to get the jump on Russian sh)
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To: dragnet2

Yeah I am sure the MP’s were armed jack.


59 posted on 09/17/2013 7:55:18 PM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: Lucky9teen

I grew up on Army bases, from the early fifties to the mid sixties. I don’t recall ever seeing anyone except MPs openly carrying weapons on a regular basis.


60 posted on 09/17/2013 7:56:09 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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