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National Parks Shutdown Solution - Hand them back to the States! ~ Vanity

Posted on 10/02/2013 11:09:08 AM PDT by GraceG

So I got to thinking recently int he last two days.

I know that is a dangerous thing to do in the USSA these days....

If the Fed Gov really wanted to keep parks open in spite of shutdowns and raise a little money to boot, why not do the following:

1. Make a list of all State Governments that are currently "In the Black" financially.

2. Take that list and cross reference it with a list of National Parks.

3. Offer to sell back the National Parks to those states for the average asking price of undeveloped real estate in that state.

4. Take that monety and apply it paying the defict.

Win-Win

The states get to manage the parks and the fed gov can pay off debts.

Granted this won't allow all National Parks to "re-open", but it would be a good start!


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: obama; obamacare; shutdown

1 posted on 10/02/2013 11:09:08 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG

There should be no Federal Highways either...except for the ones that cross Lake Ontario to Canada.


2 posted on 10/02/2013 11:11:49 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: GraceG

I am totally in support of that idea.

Particularly if it will get rid of that annoying PSA on my radio where Julia Louis-Dreyfus whines on and on about how our national parks are “underfunded”.


3 posted on 10/02/2013 11:12:02 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: GraceG

I have a better idea...auction them off to the PRIVATE sector and use the coin to PAY DOWN THE DEBT!


4 posted on 10/02/2013 11:12:49 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: rightwingextremist1776

The Chinese own enough of our land as is, no thanks.


5 posted on 10/02/2013 11:15:42 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Sacajaweau

There should be no Federal Highways either...except for the ones that cross Lake Ontario to Canada.

Don;t give them ideas, they will shut down the Interstates to make us “feel the pain” of a shutdown...


6 posted on 10/02/2013 11:16:06 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG

Michigan should never have given its parks over to the Feds in the first place. We ran Sleepy Bear Dunes just fine on our own. Raise the fees some, but keep the states in control.


7 posted on 10/02/2013 11:19:19 AM PDT by madison10
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To: Resolute Conservative
True that....so it MUST be a US citizen or corporation...works for me!
8 posted on 10/02/2013 11:21:25 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: GraceG

There’s nobody at Yellowstone to turn on the geysers.


9 posted on 10/02/2013 11:29:56 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: rightwingextremist1776
I have a better idea...auction them off to the PRIVATE sector and use the coin to PAY DOWN THE DEBT!

AMEN!

Commie Ken Burns' PBS special of 2008 was titled "The National Parks: America's Best Idea". That's a lie. The nationalization of territory by the feds was an evil encroachment, violating state's rights as recognized by the Tenth Amendment. I don't give a hoot about Yellowstone, Jellystone or those other lands usurped by Washington, DC. Back in my younger days, there was always much more fun to be had at places like Six Flags, Opryland or Busch Gardens.

10 posted on 10/02/2013 11:39:21 AM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: GraceG

ALL land within a state should be the property of and controlled by the state. Period. We should not have a National Park Service, Forest Service, Bureau of Land Management, etc, etc. Revenue for leases should be going to the state. Sale of land should be at the discretion of the state. Western states are burdened with huge, large, enormous tracts of land that are not taxable and vertually non productive.


11 posted on 10/02/2013 11:39:31 AM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country)
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To: GraceG

Great idea. And in the interim what Republican governors who have national parks / monuments / etc. in their state should do is activate the National Guard and assign them to keep the facilities open during the the “shut down”. Think of the optics of a confrontation between park rangers and armed guardsmen as they work to let the masses enjoy “their” property. And think of the good will that would be generated towards those governors.

This is a perfect opportunity for a real public uprising against Obama.


12 posted on 10/02/2013 11:42:08 AM PDT by technically right
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To: GraceG

Got an even better idea—open most nat’l park land to homesteaders.


13 posted on 10/02/2013 11:45:03 AM PDT by attiladhun2 (The Free World has a new leader--his name is Benjamin Netanyahu)
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To: blueunicorn6

A few weeks ago I told a girl at Yellowstone that after dark the rangers turn off the pumps feeding the falls, and they shut down the boilers to the geysers.

She answered back, “I suppose that after dark the rangers probably also shut down the robot animals!”

I accused her of stealing my thunder.


14 posted on 10/02/2013 11:53:12 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: dirtymac

“ALL land within a state should be the property of and controlled by the state.”

Why “should”?

Bear in mind that in the case of many (not all) states beyond the first thirteen, said states were formed from territories which were owned by the United States. Not the United States Federal Government, the United States.

Second Paragraph, Section 3, Article IV of the US Constitution states in part: “The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States;” At the time, that was mostly the Northwest Territory, but later other Territories came to belong to the United States.

Bearing that in mind, in many cases all of the territory/land/property within the bounds of a newly formed state was not granted to the State upon it’s Statehood. Some was retained by the United States.

So again, why “should”?


15 posted on 10/02/2013 11:56:54 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Did you ever see the video of the college students who came out with a big valve and put it by Old Faithful? That is a classic.


16 posted on 10/02/2013 12:02:45 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: attiladhun2
Got an even better idea—open most nat’l park land to homesteaders.

Which is why it's a bad idea to turn the National Parks over to the states. Yosemite used to be entrusted to the state of California and the valley floor was clear cut and the Merced River was polluted with mercury from gold mining.

IMHO National Parks are one of the things the Federal government gets RIGHT.

17 posted on 10/02/2013 12:09:34 PM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again. 969)
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To: GraceG

Sorry, but I haven’t known of any state assembly persons who weren’t as communist/fascist as any federal politicians. They’re also robbers and thieves for their more influential constituents. May as well privatize it all.


18 posted on 10/02/2013 1:25:57 PM PDT by familyop
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To: GraceG

Sorry, but this is a dumb idea. Why would states want to make a huge capital investment in taxpayers’ moneys in order to acquire an “asset” that costs them an immense amount of taxpayers’ money each year to keep open?


19 posted on 10/02/2013 1:42:02 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Mark Steyn: "In the Middle East, the enemy of our enemy is also our enemy.")
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To: GraceG; Sherman Logan

US National Parks are under the control of the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO), the institutional sponsor of the World Heritage Committee.


20 posted on 10/02/2013 3:15:20 PM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- <<http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: MeganC

Why do the Feds need millions of acres of land? Look at Death Valley. Over 3000 sq. mi., most of it of no particular beauty or significance. It was fine as a national monument, where there was some economic development allowed, but now every sq. inch of it is sacrosanct and off limits to development forever. The Feds are having a harder time managing all this space and they are wanting more of it off limits to economic activity. So why not carve out the most significant areas for preservation and auction off or allow homesteading to the vast majority of the remmaining acreage. It gives the Feds inordinate power to hold so much land, esp. over Western states, the majority of which are composed of Federal land. Oh, they will let it be developed, to crooks like Whorehouse Harry Reid, but if you are not an insider, forget it. The Eastern states are under no such restrictions, the majority of their lands being privately owned. Western states should have that same advantage, and these lands should be open to all comers, not just the well-connected few like Reid.


21 posted on 10/08/2013 12:12:29 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (The Free World has a new leader--his name is Benjamin Netanyahu)
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To: attiladhun2

While I agree that the Federal government should dispose of some of their millions of acres of lands I do not agree that they should allow places like Yosemite to be clear cut, strip mined, and turned into a city replete with homeless and strip malls.

National Parks are a small fraction of all Federal land and I absolutely want to see them preserved for future generations.


22 posted on 10/08/2013 12:19:40 PM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again. 969)
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To: MeganC
Death Valley and Joshua Tree Nat'l Parks are not a small part of So. Cal. Together, I believe they are over 4000 sq. mi. That is a huge chunk of this state. Most of it is ordinary desert land and unremarkable.
23 posted on 10/08/2013 12:30:43 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (The Free World has a new leader--his name is Benjamin Netanyahu)
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To: Sacajaweau
There should be no Federal Highways either...except for the ones that cross Lake Ontario to Canada.

Highways are among the few things that the feds are doing, that the Constitution explicitly allows them to do.

Article I Section 8, enumeration of powers of Congress: "To establish Post Offices and post Roads;"

What is a post road? It is a road between towns which allows transport of mail.

The Interstate Highway system was actually justified as national defense highways, to allow quick movement of troops and supplies from wherever to ports.

24 posted on 10/08/2013 12:47:48 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625
I'm well aware of what you say. That was then. Now is now.

Absolutely no reason for a Federal Road NOW except when it crosses into Canada.

25 posted on 10/08/2013 1:02:39 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: PapaBear3625

Pssst...Those early Post roads were town or state roads.


26 posted on 10/08/2013 1:34:45 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: GraceG

Grace, when you posted this I thought it was a bad idea. I just want you to know that after hearing about all of the asshattery and thuggery on the part of the National Park Service Police I’m now with you. Return the parks and the lands to the states and defund, debadge, and de-gun the Park Service Police!!!


27 posted on 10/10/2013 3:07:39 PM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again. 969)
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To: MeganC

Grace, when you posted this I thought it was a bad idea. I just want you to know that after hearing about all of the asshattery and thuggery on the part of the National Park Service Police I’m now with you. Return the parks and the lands to the states and defund, debadge, and de-gun the Park Service Police!!!

Thanks!

Too much of the west is owned by the fed gov...

I personally don’t think the fed should even own military bases, but should have to lease the land from the states via a 50 year leasing contract type thing.


28 posted on 10/10/2013 3:33:11 PM PDT by GraceG
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