Posted on 11/06/2013 8:32:18 AM PST by Rusty0604
LOUISIANA, MO. -- The Missouri State Fire Marshal continues its investigation into an early morning Thursday fire that took the life of a 3-year-old Louisiana, Mo. boy. A city police officer stunned Riley's stepfather Ryan Miller with a Taser gun three times as he tried to enter the burning house. Lori Miller, Riley's grandmother, said police stunned Ryan Miller as he tried to get back in the house.
“He tried to get back in the house to get the baby,” Lori Miller said. “They took my son to jail because he tried to save his son.”
Ryan Miller's sister-in-law doesn't think the police handled the situation correctly.
"It's just heartless. How could they be so heartless? And while they all just stood around and waited for the fire department, what kind of police officer wouldn't try and save a three year old burning in a house?" said Emily Miller. "We've been going through pictures and he's just smiling in every picture. He was just a happy, go-lucky kid."
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I mean, trying to go back into the house is a 'threatening gesture or movement'.
I don't think many today understand that. Least of all our politically correct and policy-addled public servants.
There is no "right to self-determination" - people are committed all the time to prevent them from harming themselves.
This man was violated.
Yet is also alive.
Everything else-arguing over how hot the fire was, etc-is sophistry.
The facts are not sophistry.
The question of whether he had any chance at all of saving a child or if he was just - crazed by panic and grief - rushing toward certain death is a very serious question.
What is sophistry is to discuss an urgent real-life situation in abstract Lockean terms as if the stepfather were a calm, rational actor making carefully informed decisions.
He was not.
Unless the child was already dead, in which case it was obviously suicide.
No decent human being would assault another human being for that.
Saving someone's life isn't assault.
and the reason is the state pays them therefore they protect the status quo. Any dissent might spread hence none is allowed.
And what if the right thing is to prevent a man who is not in his right mind from killing himself?
And there is most certainly a right to self-determination. It takes a court of law to override this right, to involuntarily commit a man to protect him from himself. But the father in this case had no due process.
I have heard much made of facts by you on this thread. What is your source for this "fact"? Links, please.
i haven’t seen the cop go in as a solution. if i missed it, and i think i read every post then my bad.
Some states have assisted suicide. Some will as we all recall, make the decision for you especially if you can’t speak up for yourself.
I’m at a loss to understand how in a nation which will permit someone to kill themselves or to have the state sanctioned killing of a person in a coma that this man was not permitted his own choice.
so assisted suicide in Oregon is illegal? Don’t they have that there? Obamacare death panel can’t exist?
Could there hypothetically be an individual who would be cool as a cucumber even though his house were on fire and his stepchild were in it?
Perhaps.
But much more likely not.
It takes a court of law to override this right, to involuntarily commit a man to protect him from himself.
In an emergency, anyone - cop or non-cop - can take it upon himself to stop someone else from self-injury.
If a court determines after the fact that no such emergency existed, then the person who took those measures can be found civilly or criminally liable.
Or both.
But the father in this case had no due process.
That's up to the courts to determine.
If he really was denied his rights, then he can pursue redress.
a statement can be flawed. That does not render it untrue.
Yes, tasering an innocent citizen three times is assault.
You serve your master well.
and was found 12 feet from the front door.
And possibly causing the xeath of firefighters to save him. Sometimes, unintentionally, you cause other individuals to put themselves in harms way because of your actions. The presence of a irrational dad may have costed the firefighters precious time saving him.
Because all of my best friends are human beings, so I know how human beings react in situations where their loved ones are dead/dying/in danger of imminent death.
What is your source for this "fact"?
Deductive reasoning.
If the child has already burned to death, there is no solution.
Some states have assisted suicide.
Disgustingly, yes.
Some will as we all recall, make the decision for you especially if you can’t speak up for yourself.
Not technically true, but arguably practically true.
I’m at a loss to understand how in a nation which will permit someone to kill themselves or to have the state sanctioned killing of a person in a coma that this man was not permitted his own choice.
Even in the jurisdictions where suicide is permitted/encouraged, there is a legal process to committing suicide. There is no out for spontaneity.
So your argument is, then, that morality is an artifact of law?
By definition it does exactly that.
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