Skip to comments.Just had a major DUH! moment
Posted on 11/10/2013 8:53:33 AM PST by GunsAndBibles
Was given a new Android phone (loaded with Google programs) and realized I'm always being monitored, even when the phone is OFF. Looking for a signal blocking case/enclosure, similar to Faraday cage. Now off to the range, trying a new batch of .223 using IMR4227 and 62gr. SS109. Thanks for your input.
Actually, he is. Since there is NO network activity that is not being just copied raw to holding.
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Detects electronics even when powered off: Nonlinear junction detector
With enough equipment any electronic device, vibrating window pane, or metal trash can can be remotely turned into a listening device.
So when can he expect a knock on his door?
oh, who knows? Isn’t the lottery fun?
That’s right, it acts like a Faraday cage. The aluminum foil will block electromagnetic waves from coming in and going out.
A tightly closed metal box will greatly attenuate electromagentic (EM) waves from coming in the box and prevent EM waves from the leaving the box. EM waves reflect from metal objects (radar)
I decided to try a test. I put my cell phone in an empty ammo can and then called it.
You're right. Ammo cans will prevent cell phones from sending/receiving signals.
aluminum foil works too, try it.
Finding you via satellite GPS is a lot more difficult depending on the phone. (There is an older feature misleadingly called GPS that actually operated through the towers, not the same thing). There are several apps such as GPS Tracker Pro and Open GPS Tracker that allow you to report that information on a realtime basis if you desire it - this can be used by parents or friends of travelers to see where the people they're interested in are at the moment. If you can do that, the government can do that.
Of course, all this is only tracking your phone, not you. If you want not to be tracked leave your phone somewhere else. Anything less than that isn't really to be trusted. Just my $0.02.
Right. But that was not the question. The question was “why do I have GPS when I’m off network?”
This is untrue.
Any conducting material with grid spacing significantly smaller than the wavelength of the signal to be attenuated is a Faraday Cage.
In particular, a metal box with thickness greater than the skip depth of the wave (which is no more than 100 microns or less) is always a Faraday Cage.
Grounding is required to avoid damage to objects outside of the cage, because induction currents induce charge on the outside of the box, which can be quite large if the signal has high energy. It does not affect the effectiveness of the cage as a shield. [I have demonstrated this to undergraduate physics and EE students, many times.]
Most of the phones don't have enough memory so they don't actually store the maps on the unit like a GPS nav unit. They have to connect into a network (via phone data or wifi) in order to download the map. So it is possible that your location information might be uploaded at that point.
Apparently there is map software that can be loaded on your phone like an app and then the phone could be a standalone GPS nav system.
Many, many years ago (around 1990) there existted hacker software which could find any mobile based on tower handshakes, and basically the handshake was as long as the phone had power. No GPS involved.
cardboard box, lined with tinfoil, no gaps, place inside.
Did you read my follow-up post #58?
It might have positive uses such as the police triangulating a person with dementia, or a child, or someone who has been kidnapped.
Also, the cell tower would have to know distance fairly accurately.
—— Your phone has a GPS receiver in it which is independent of the cellular network. The phone does report its location to the network when connected. -—
So even if I go into Settings > Location and disable all of the GPS services, my phone can still be tracked?
—— A metal box is not a Faraday cage unless the metal box is grounded. Otherwise its just a metal box -—
Does sitting on a concrete basement floor count? Or do you have to run a wire from it into the ground?
As I stated in my follow-up post #58, I tested this with an ammo can.
In this instance, the ammo can was sitting on an ungrounded kitchen counter.
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