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Just had a major DUH! moment
vanity | 11/10/13 | GunsAndBibles

Posted on 11/10/2013 8:53:33 AM PST by GunsAndBibles

Was given a new Android phone (loaded with Google programs) and realized I'm always being monitored, even when the phone is OFF. Looking for a signal blocking case/enclosure, similar to Faraday cage. Now off to the range, trying a new batch of .223 using IMR4227 and 62gr. SS109. Thanks for your input.


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KEYWORDS: eavesdropping
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To: Hot Tabasco

Actually, he is. Since there is NO network activity that is not being just copied raw to holding.


51 posted on 11/10/2013 1:42:24 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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52 posted on 11/10/2013 1:52:13 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: steve86
Keep in mind that a number of phones have been produced which “work” with the user battery removed and no obvious source of power

Detects electronics even when powered off: Nonlinear junction detector

With enough equipment any electronic device, vibrating window pane, or metal trash can can be remotely turned into a listening device.

53 posted on 11/10/2013 1:57:09 PM PST by Reeses
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To: Hardraade
Actually, he is. Since there is NO network activity that is not being just copied raw to holding.

So when can he expect a knock on his door?

54 posted on 11/10/2013 2:00:07 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Make sure you have removed the kleenex from your pockets before doing laundry)
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To: Hot Tabasco

oh, who knows? Isn’t the lottery fun?


55 posted on 11/10/2013 2:02:25 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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To: JustSurrounded

That’s right, it acts like a Faraday cage. The aluminum foil will block electromagnetic waves from coming in and going out.


56 posted on 11/10/2013 2:20:09 PM PST by Bruce Kurtz
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

A tightly closed metal box will greatly attenuate electromagentic (EM) waves from coming in the box and prevent EM waves from the leaving the box. EM waves reflect from metal objects (radar)


57 posted on 11/10/2013 2:25:01 PM PST by Bruce Kurtz
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To: Bruce Kurtz; GunsAndBibles
A tightly closed metal box will greatly attenuate electromagentic (EM) waves from coming in the box and prevent EM waves from the leaving the box. EM waves reflect from metal objects (radar)

I decided to try a test. I put my cell phone in an empty ammo can and then called it.

You're right. Ammo cans will prevent cell phones from sending/receiving signals.

58 posted on 11/10/2013 2:33:01 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

aluminum foil works too, try it.


59 posted on 11/10/2013 2:55:52 PM PST by Bruce Kurtz
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To: GunsAndBibles
If you have signal (insert All Your Base jokes here) you have connectivity to a tower, and if you have connectivity to a tower, it's logged. Anyone with access to those logs knows where you were or are to the closest tower as long as the phone is on. Mind you, if you were on your land line they also knew where you were geographically, so it isn't that big a change.

Finding you via satellite GPS is a lot more difficult depending on the phone. (There is an older feature misleadingly called GPS that actually operated through the towers, not the same thing). There are several apps such as GPS Tracker Pro and Open GPS Tracker that allow you to report that information on a realtime basis if you desire it - this can be used by parents or friends of travelers to see where the people they're interested in are at the moment. If you can do that, the government can do that.

Of course, all this is only tracking your phone, not you. If you want not to be tracked leave your phone somewhere else. Anything less than that isn't really to be trusted. Just my $0.02.

60 posted on 11/10/2013 3:13:36 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: dhs12345

Right. But that was not the question. The question was “why do I have GPS when I’m off network?”


61 posted on 11/10/2013 3:47:13 PM PST by FredZarguna (The sequel, thoroughly pointless, derivative, and boring was like all James Cameron "films.")
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker; Bruce Kurtz
A metal box is not a Faraday cage unless the metal box is grounded.

This is untrue.

Any conducting material with grid spacing significantly smaller than the wavelength of the signal to be attenuated is a Faraday Cage.

In particular, a metal box with thickness greater than the skip depth of the wave (which is no more than 100 microns or less) is always a Faraday Cage.

Grounding is required to avoid damage to objects outside of the cage, because induction currents induce charge on the outside of the box, which can be quite large if the signal has high energy. It does not affect the effectiveness of the cage as a shield. [I have demonstrated this to undergraduate physics and EE students, many times.]

62 posted on 11/10/2013 4:01:13 PM PST by FredZarguna (The sequel, thoroughly pointless, derivative, and boring was like all James Cameron "films.")
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To: FredZarguna
Because the GPS allows you to navigate without actually being connected to a network. Just like a good ol GPS nav unit of which I have a couple.

Most of the phones don't have enough memory so they don't actually store the maps on the unit like a GPS nav unit. They have to connect into a network (via phone data or wifi) in order to download the map. So it is possible that your location information might be uploaded at that point.

Apparently there is map software that can be loaded on your phone like an app and then the phone could be a standalone GPS nav system.

63 posted on 11/10/2013 5:47:12 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345
I answered the question. I wasn't asking it.
64 posted on 11/10/2013 5:57:30 PM PST by FredZarguna (The sequel, thoroughly pointless, derivative, and boring was like all James Cameron "films.")
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To: dhs12345

Many, many years ago (around 1990) there existted hacker software which could find any mobile based on tower handshakes, and basically the handshake was as long as the phone had power. No GPS involved.


65 posted on 11/10/2013 7:33:07 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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To: GunsAndBibles

cardboard box, lined with tinfoil, no gaps, place inside.


66 posted on 11/10/2013 9:41:44 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: FredZarguna
This is untrue.

Did you read my follow-up post #58?

67 posted on 11/11/2013 7:50:09 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: Hardraade
Ya. That probably still exists (by design).

It might have positive uses such as the police triangulating a person with dementia, or a child, or someone who has been kidnapped.

Also, the cell tower would have to know distance fairly accurately.

68 posted on 11/11/2013 10:55:38 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: The Klingon

—— Your phone has a GPS receiver in it which is independent of the cellular network. The phone does report its location to the network when connected. -—

So even if I go into Settings > Location and disable all of the GPS services, my phone can still be tracked?


69 posted on 11/11/2013 11:03:48 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

—— A metal box is not a Faraday cage unless the metal box is grounded. Otherwise it’s just a metal box -—

Does sitting on a concrete basement floor count? Or do you have to run a wire from it into the ground?


70 posted on 11/11/2013 11:07:37 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Does sitting on a concrete basement floor count? Or do you have to run a wire from it into the ground?

As I stated in my follow-up post #58, I tested this with an ammo can.

In this instance, the ammo can was sitting on an ungrounded kitchen counter.

71 posted on 11/11/2013 11:20:41 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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