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Animal Rights Activist, 31 of Her Dogs Found Dead in Garage ('No Kill' Shelter Director)
New York Daily News ^ | SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 9, 2013 | Victoria Taylor

Posted on 11/11/2013 3:01:39 PM PST by nickcarraway

An Ohio woman who lived much of her life as an animal lover may have died a dog killer.

Sandra Lertzman, 62, was found dead along with 31 of her dogs, many of them puppies, in a running car in the garage of her Moreland Hills home on Monday.

Investigators told WOIO that they found a suicide note in the house and several prescription vials in the vehicle. It wasn’t clear how she and the pups died.

One of the dogs managed to survive by finding a small opening in the garage where it could breathe, authorities said.

Lertzman was the executive director of the Animal Rights Foundation and, according to the group’s website, had been involved in animal rescue for almost 40 years.

“She was an animal lover. She feeds deer, dogs. She boarded dogs several years ago," a neighbor, who did not want to be identified, told WOIO.

There were also several cats inside the house that have been taken in by a caretaker. The lone surviving pooch was given to a family member.


TOPICS: Local News; Pets/Animals; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: afr; animalrights; dogs; executivedirector; furbabies; mentaldisorder; sandralertzman; suicide

1 posted on 11/11/2013 3:01:39 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Joe 6-pack

PING


2 posted on 11/11/2013 3:02:00 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway; Revolting cat!
“She was an animal lover"

Sounds like she loved power just as Jim Jones did.

3 posted on 11/11/2013 3:03:31 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: nickcarraway

Liberalism: We Luv you to death....


4 posted on 11/11/2013 3:05:06 PM PST by GraceG
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To: nickcarraway

Horrible.


5 posted on 11/11/2013 3:05:23 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: a fool in paradise

She was just another nutty pet-lady.

Which of course is what we’re now all supposed to be, since human children will be forbidden to most of us in the new Obama utopia.


6 posted on 11/11/2013 3:08:12 PM PST by livius
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To: nickcarraway
"It wasn’t clear how she and the pups died.

One of the dogs managed to survive by finding a small opening in the garage where it could breathe, authorities said."

Hmmmm...
7 posted on 11/11/2013 3:08:59 PM PST by DigitalVideoDude (It's amazing what you can accomplish when you don't care who gets the credit. -Ronald Reagan)
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To: livius

Dennis Prager didn’t cover this case or any extreme behavior, just noted some woman who tried to rescue EVERY stray dog.

He cited a biblical verse about not being able to save the world. He uses it in his own life to accept that it is impossible to protect/rescue everything/one. Not that one should not be generous, charitable, thankful, etc. but to realize that there are limitations of what can be accomplished by one person.

I know a woman who sits at curbs for weeks at a time to try to eventually feed, then get stray bario dogs off the street. In a similar circumstance, one of the feral dogs attacked another woman who was doing the same sort of thing.

And meanwhile there are humans who are neglected daily or sent off to die in abortuaries.


8 posted on 11/11/2013 3:13:05 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: DigitalVideoDude
She MAY have injected them with “pink death” chemistry to euthanize the dogs but likely the did die of air pollution. She may have also laced their drinking water with the same pills she likely consumed.
9 posted on 11/11/2013 3:14:37 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: nickcarraway

Actually, I find this story to be very sad! She obviously cared greatly about animals, as do I. Wonder what drove her to this desperate finish?


10 posted on 11/11/2013 3:16:21 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: nickcarraway

Sad, really. Might have been a decent animal loving woman. Perhaps she did all she could but ran out of money and the will to live after reviewing her Obamacare options.

I’m not clear on the puppies...was she breeding? Or were they all rescues? My friend once volunteered for a local Humane Society shelter, took some pregnant doggie girls home and helped them thru their pregnancies and deliveries, took them back to be adopted.


11 posted on 11/11/2013 3:19:17 PM PST by Veto!
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To: a fool in paradise

bump

That nut finally cracked


12 posted on 11/11/2013 3:20:03 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Veto!

I’ve heard about some animal people giving dogs abortions these days (no joke).

Pregnancy is so passe among the Left.


13 posted on 11/11/2013 3:23:18 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: nickcarraway
Sandra Lertzman, 62, was found dead along with 31 of her dogs, many of them puppies, in a running car in the garage of her Moreland Hills home on Monday.

Investigators told WOIO that they found a suicide note in the house and several prescription vials in the vehicle. It wasn’t clear how she and the pups died.

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Just shakes head.

14 posted on 11/11/2013 3:24:51 PM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

>> She obviously cared greatly about animals, as do I.

It’s not obvious.


15 posted on 11/11/2013 3:28:50 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Suicidal people don’t usually consider the effect of their action.


16 posted on 11/11/2013 3:28:59 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: a fool in paradise

Dog abortions? So terribly sad...those little natural mommie dogs must have felt rotten afterward.

I would vote for birth control of some kind for wild horses, however. Shots that sterilize, perhaps. Horses are being murdered without mercy by the BLM, an outfit I equate with the least civilized savages on the planet — i.e., poachers in Zimbabwe who murdered 300 PROTECTED elephants for their tusks last month, which they sell to the Chinese.

No excuse for cruelty. Ever.


17 posted on 11/11/2013 3:30:54 PM PST by Veto!
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

“Actually, I find this story to be very sad! She obviously cared greatly about animals, as do I. Wonder what drove her to this desperate finish?”

Yes. There are those who claim to feel so much for human beings but scorn this woman.

Her family is grieving. Not a time to throw stones. Obviously a desperate moment in a woman’s life. It’s a sad thing.


18 posted on 11/11/2013 3:34:33 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: Veto!
Dog abortions are forced abortions. Not consensual and you are correct that the animals may feel violated, some of the nurturing instinct has to kick in.
19 posted on 11/11/2013 3:36:02 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: nickcarraway

She fits the classic definition of a hoarder.

Older.

Female.

Single.

Way too many animals for one person to reasonably care for. We’re talking about pet animals that are companion animals designed for closer relationships with people, you can’t have that with 31 dogs and several cats.

The stress got to her and she took them all out with her.

Sad, and sick and arrogant to think she had to kill them because nobody else could do as good a job with them as her.


20 posted on 11/11/2013 3:37:52 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: livius

Who here takes on far too many animals than they can actually responsibly care for? You can love your pet but not be a hoarder.

As per the children comment, I doubt we’ll live that long to even think about children. It ain’t over but it ain’t gonna get easier yet.


21 posted on 11/11/2013 3:40:18 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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22 posted on 11/11/2013 3:41:01 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

You can think about children at any time, if you’re male.

I think a lot of women are simply pet nuts because life has passed them by and they don’t have either a man or children.

I don’t think that anybody here necessarily takes on too many pets, but the pet-as-child-substitute syndrome is a major American dysfunction. I see things like strong, healthy young men and women wheeling a pug along in a baby stroller or an older couple with a chimp dressed up as a baby all the time here in my tourist town. Frankly, it’s sick.


23 posted on 11/11/2013 3:48:39 PM PST by livius
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To: livius

Not everyone is able to have children, not out of choice, but because it was simply a physical impossibility.


24 posted on 11/11/2013 3:52:59 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Beowulf9
Yes. There are those who claim to feel so much for human beings but scorn this woman.

You forget, this is FR, home of the alleged pious but land of the proven hypocrites......

25 posted on 11/11/2013 3:55:26 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (I don't call "911", in my house, I AM '911"....)
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To: livius

Well that might be the case in some of the cases.

I think a lot of other people have needs to fill and love to give. There are a lot of unwanteds out there, and frankly if people do not feel they are up to the task of properly raising children (and God knows look at what we’re dealing with particularly in the black community, with out of control unmarried births and feral youths running angry and wild), I would rather they not have kids and stick with something they feel they can take care of.

I do know that sometimes people are getting their first pets later in life and so the process of learning to take care of something that’s dependent on you has been delayed years. It may wind up with them still having kids, but at a later date after the first pet is old or passed away.

As for older folks, as you age friends die, relatives are more likely to be further away, relatives die, and pets can be great companions for someone who’s lost a spouse or is pretty much alone a lot of the time. People lose mobility and/or have embarassing problems and maybe don’t want to go out or it makes it tougher to be social.

It’s not a cut and dried simple statement I don’t think.


26 posted on 11/11/2013 3:57:46 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: livius
I think a lot of women are simply pet nuts because life has passed them by and they don’t have either a man or children.

Or maybe they simply have a bigger heart than you. I've had the capacity to love a man, children, and pets all at the same time. Why are you going off on pet owners? There are lots of threads. You could find one where you like everybody.

27 posted on 11/11/2013 4:09:09 PM PST by PistolPaknMama
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To: Secret Agent Man
Sad, and sick and arrogant to think she had to kill them because nobody else could do as good a job with them as her.

Is the act of suicide logical in your opinion?

28 posted on 11/11/2013 4:19:02 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf
Is the act of suicide logical in your opinion?

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Why don't you tell us what you think?

29 posted on 11/11/2013 4:22:09 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

She seemed like one of those types who chose not to have relationships with humans in favor of devoting all of her time for animals.


30 posted on 11/11/2013 4:25:16 PM PST by dfwgator (Fire Muschamp.)
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To: trisham

After you. I asked first.


31 posted on 11/11/2013 4:29:39 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf

I think you should go first. After all, this isn’t an inquisition, is it?


32 posted on 11/11/2013 4:44:51 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
this isn’t an inquisition, is it?

I don't know what you think it is, but you jumped in, didn't you?

33 posted on 11/11/2013 4:48:15 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Didn’t you? Or am I held to a different standard?


34 posted on 11/11/2013 4:57:16 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: nickcarraway

PETA kills the vast majority of animals they take in, but they lie and say they don’t.


35 posted on 11/11/2013 5:00:16 PM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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To: Alaska Wolf

It might have been logical to her. Some people just don’t want to live anymore.


36 posted on 11/11/2013 5:02:53 PM PST by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: livius

Those with chimps are in for horrible surprises. Adult chimps are fundamentally nasty, vicious, antagonistic, lethal animals with very long life spans. Their human “parents” will pay in spades for their reckless stupidity.


37 posted on 11/11/2013 5:03:46 PM PST by libstripper (Asv)
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To: trisham
Didn’t you?

No, I posed the question. I believe you also jumped in on another thread. Now you have your chance to show that you are "logical and articulate".

38 posted on 11/11/2013 5:05:38 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: livius

A chimp? This would make them think twice about that.

A horrendous incident.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/world/americas/17iht-chimp.1.20241928.html?_r=0

.


39 posted on 11/11/2013 5:11:18 PM PST by Mears (Liberalism is the art of being easily offended.)
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To: beandog
It might have been logical to her.

Of course it was in her mind.

40 posted on 11/11/2013 5:12:59 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: trisham

Indeed. Choking on some of the self-righteousness being spewed here....


41 posted on 11/11/2013 5:13:28 PM PST by JLLH
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To: PistolPaknMama

Well said.


42 posted on 11/11/2013 5:14:56 PM PST by JLLH
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To: Alaska Wolf

was it just suicide or did she decide to take 31 other sentient and otherwise still enjoying life dogs with her?


43 posted on 11/11/2013 5:19:03 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Alaska Wolf

In the end, that’s the only mind that mattered.


44 posted on 11/11/2013 5:19:20 PM PST by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: Secret Agent Man
was it just suicide

Suicides effect all those left behind, including animals. If she treated her animals as her children, it appears she wanted them dead as well. That isn't an act or action of a logical mind.

45 posted on 11/11/2013 5:32:39 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Sad story - I have a guess, but it’s just that. The reason she was “rescuing” was she was afraid that the animals would be euthanized. Caring for them became too much financially, emotionally, physically or all three. If she surrendered them, she would fear (probably correctly) that some would be euthanized. She preferred to have them die with her, someone they knew.

Rationality isn’t one of the strong elements of suicide, but I could see the above happening.


46 posted on 11/11/2013 5:50:42 PM PST by Wicket (1 Peter 3:15 , Romans 5:5-8)
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To: Wicket
Rationality isn’t one of the strong elements of suicide

Exactly.

47 posted on 11/11/2013 5:55:02 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf

yup.


48 posted on 11/11/2013 6:58:55 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
We once knew a couple that euthanized a relatively young dog they'd had for a while, and rationalized the decision with the comment, "We knew (knew!) no one could ever love the dog as much as we could."

No joke.

We haven't those people in decades.

CA....

49 posted on 11/16/2013 8:31:41 AM PST by Chances Are (Seems I've found that silly grin again....)
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