ISON UPDATE/Large Debris Moving Fast.

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[Yosemitest]

ISON UPDATE/Large Debris Moving Fast.

Published on Dec 4, 2013

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Ison is a V shaped debris field with objects that are miles wide each..at least 21 large ones..
They are moving at 2 million miles per day.
Ison is moving away from "Secchi A" at that speed which makes it appear smaller from that camera each hour..
THE ROCKS ARE DARK NOW.
They will become darker as they move further from the sun over Earth..
They will not become smaller.

[Yosemitest]

CORRECTION:

"How much did it (Isonoids' orbital path) change based on the observed data given in comment #212 ?"

[Darksheare]

None.

[Darksheare]

Once they had observed ison enough, the orbit was solid.
So again, the answer is “none”.
The remains, if any, are still on previous path away from the sun.

[Yosemitest]

Then WHY ISN'T ISON's DEBRIS WHERE NASA predicted it to be?
It's currently reported to be about 2 days ahead of their schedule, now, and off course.

And as a side note, read this

BOOM! Meteor explodes over Arizona; big meteor shower begins, 9:02 pm, December 11, 2013

(CNN) — A resounding boom over Tucson, Arizona, roused residents from their dinner tables Tuesday and had them pointing up to the sky.

With the largest meteor shower of the year around the corner, the heavens seemed to be giving them a sneak preview.
A whopper of a fireball roared over their heads and exploded, rattling their houses.

A dash cam captured it on video as it vanished in a bright blaze.

The spectacular annual Geminid meteor shower kicks into high gear Thursday night, NASA said, and people around the world will be able to enjoy it.

Some of its meteors have already been dashing through Earth’s atmosphere. The agency recorded nine of them Tuesday night.

But the Tucson meteor did not appear to be one of them, said NASA meteor expert Bill Cooke, who analyzed the flying space rock after two NASA cameras in Arizona recorded it on video.

Traveling at 45,000 mph, it was too slow.

“A Geminid moves at 78,000 mph,” he said.
And the direction it came from was not typical for a meteor from the big shower.

The Arizona fireball was just one of the handful of “sporadic background” meteors that whiz through the atmosphere every day.

But this was a big one, Cooke confirmed.
It weighed about 100 pounds and was about 16 inches thick.
It made quite a bright flash, as it burned up in the atmosphere.

Even with 100 to 120 meteors per hour coming down during its peak on Friday and Saturday, the Geminid shower now has a tough act to follow.

Read Phaethon confirmed as rock comet by STEREO vision Sep 10, 2013

Also read Asteroid Vs. Comet: What The Heck Is 3200 Phaethon?.

A very zoomed-in image of Phaethon from NASA’s STEREO spacecraft, showing a comet-like extension. Credit: Jewitt, Li, Agarwal /NASA/STEREO

[Yosemitest]

No, I don't believe that,
There's been a documented change of orbit.

[Yosemitest]

"The one big energy sink that Ison passed was the sun and its input would be + g going 'down' and -g going 'up'.
In other words, now that the Is one pebbles are climbing up the gravitational hill away from the sun, energy is being subtracted from the Is one system.
There is no additional source of + energy to alter the course."

IF SO, THEN WHY does NASA slingshot their satellites bound for other planets or into deep space around other planetary bodies,
if not to gain speed and lessen the cost of a direct path to their destination?

[Darksheare]

No there has not.
Ison is still on the orbit predicted.
There has been no magic change.
And there is no way for its orbit outward to intersect with ours.
It is above the plane of the ecliptic.
Ecliptic being our orbit.
On the swing around the sun, ison followed what was predicted.
The only surprise was the activity of the nucleus ceased.

Look up comet 96p/machholz.
For what bpearthwatch says to be true, comet macholz cannot exist.
Nor should encke or temple Tuttle.

[Yosemitest]

Did I currently say it would intersect us? No.
But I won't feel secure from the outbound debris until after the 1st of January, 2014.
The orbital path has been document as ~ no longer on schedule, or on path, ~ whether you acknowledge it or not.
However I do respect you opinion, and I still have much to learn about comets.

Like I said before, they interest me, and I believe Revelations.
Within the laws of physics, I want to understand the "HOW" .
It's been many years since I was in high school and mathematics was my strong suite, but I haven't reviewed any mathematics for many, many years.
I didn't get to take calculus in high school, because our math teacher got a better job teaching college level, after my junior year.
Oh well, so goes life.

What I don't understand is, what propels comets or any space body into the high speeds that most achieve, but I know that swings around other bodies is part of it, as well as collisions, and stellar explosions.

Don't take offense, just because I disagree (learning in progress).

[messierhunter]

I don’t care how far they were from earth, they were nowhere near each other, and ISON certainly was not “passing through” the tail of Lovejoy. On December 10th, ISON’s remains were a third of an AU away from Lovejoy, that’s over 30 million miles.

[messierhunter]

My point in showing you that was to show that there’s nothing unusual about tail disconnection events. ISON’s debris cloud is continuing to follow the original orbit of the comet. I showed that in my video as well. Bruce is talking about the dispersion of the cloud, not the overall course of the thing. The evidence shows that the overall course is still the same and that it is NOT headed towards earth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lw-kGs-Olg
Here’s another example:
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/REPROCESSING/Completed/2013/c3/20131201/20131201_0054_c3_1024.jpg
Here’s the astrometrically solved version of that image:
http://nova.astrometry.net/user_images/152074#annotated
Here are the ephemeris I generated for ISON months before perihelion:
http://dropcanvas.com/uw06n
Granted those ephemeris are specific to my observing site, not SOHO’s position, but because we’re dealing with a widefield imager here it won’t matter to a huge extent. The main thing is that the debris is still following the same general trajectory. I highlighted the spot where ISON was predicted to be in the astrometrically solved image with a green circle. Again, my ephemeris was generated way back in September, and as you can see, the debris is continuing to follow ISON’s orbit, which means it’s not a threat for “impact.”
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9042/uf89.jpg

[Yosemitest]

And the intersection of the two were reported on Dec 6, 2013, not on Dec 1st, 2013.

[messierhunter]

I didn’t say anything about December 1st. You mean December 10th? They were even farther apart on December 6th than on the 10th.

[Yosemitest]

My mistake, sorry.
I must have been thinking about the dates from your linked photos.

[Yosemitest]

From my comment #213:

"The Isonoids and Comet Lovejoy were both reported and crossed at ".627 AU" from the Earth, so that's point six two seven Astronomical Units FROM THE EARTH when they crossed paths (reported at 4 minutes and 40 seconds in BPEarthWatch's Dec 10 2013 ( 5:40 ) video )."

Look at this video of Comet LoveJoy's Orbit.

Comet C/2013 R1 (Lovejoy) orbit ( 0:11 )

At 0:02 or 2 seconds into the 11 second video, the path of Comet Lovejoy is very close (in this video compared to the Comet Ison Interactive Model) to the orbital pat of Comet Ison's debris.
Now I wish I had a better model to reference right now, but I don't.
And I don't have the money to purchase SkySafari Pro right now, but so far that's the best I can find.

[Yosemitest]

" At 0:02 or 2 seconds into the 11 second video, the path of Comet Lovejoy is very close (in this video compared to the Comet Ison Interactive Model) to the orbital pat of Comet Ison's debris."

ADDITION:

That is ~ between Nov 27, 20143 and Dec 07,2013 of that video, with a focus on Dec 6, 2013

[messierhunter]

Your link doesn’t work. ISON was nowhere near Lovejoy during the tail disconnection event. I do have skysafaripro and it was millions of kilometers away, almost half the distance to the sun on December 6th. Starry Night also shows the same thing.

[Larry Lucido]

Don’t argue with them. Just carry an umbrella.

[Larry Lucido]

But I won't feel secure from the outbound debris until after the 1st of January, 2014.

It's the Y2KXIV threat!

[Yosemitest]

Comet C/2013 R1 (Lovejoy) orbit

[Yosemitest]

The outbound threat should be over by the 31st of December 2013, but the inbound threat won’t end until mid or late January 2014.