Posted on 12/17/2013 11:24:11 AM PST by jazusamo
Gosh, the north act like they’re afraid they lost the war.
For me it was the evacuation, spiking of the guns and burning of Ft Moultrie and removal of his men by Maj. Anderson to Ft Sumter. The second was when Buchanan ordered the steamer Star of the West to reinforce Sumter not with food only but with 200 soldiers, supplies and ammunition. The warship Brooklyn accompanied the steamer. The orders for the combatants were to remain hidden throughout the movement through Charleston harbor. The South Carolina defense forces became aware of the mission, fired on the Star of the West forcing her away. The ensuing weeks after Lincoln’s inauguration were a period of deception and increasing anxiety created by the presence of hostile federals at the mouth of an important harbor. That it was to be abandoned in three days is news to me. Can you provide a source. Tilley’s account of Sumter is based predominantly on communication among federal military and government officials, including the then saturnine Lincoln. By the time Beauregard reluctantly fired on his old friend, there was a formidable Northern armada within a day or two steaming toward Charleston Harbor. The “First Shot”, engineered by the clever Mr. Lincoln, is one of history’s greatest canards.
Which revision? The one that makes Lee, who committed treason into a great American? Or the revision that recognizes that Lee committed treason, despite his prior honorable services, and his keeping of his parole agreement which protected him from prosecution?
Lee and Jackson were Americans, just Americans who committed treason.
Certainly it was racism. Japanese Americans in Hawaii were not interned.
Interning the Japanese was probably a mistake, absent reasonable evidence that they were cooperating with the Japanese government in espionage. The Japanese embassy signals were being read quickly and regularly, and they may have bragged a lot about how many Japanese Americans were helping them, from bureaucratic competition. Given those lies, it makes some degree of sense to understand that a threat might be there and something perhaps should be done. Rather like Wahabi funded mosques in the US at present, or the pro-slavery militia units in Washington DC in 1860.
But keep in mind that while Japanese Americans were being interned, other Americans were conscripted, forced into the Army, and sent out to sleep in holes filled with icy water until they had to face German machine guns. Some Japanese Americans got a chance to do that too.
Jackson was shot by his own men.
He had the habit of wearing US Army uniform as he rode out in front of his lines.
The accident is understandable.
I figure they will use the Stone Mountain bas relief for target practice right after the slave ledgers of Lee are released to document his practice of raping and torturing his slaves.
The southern forces were initially much better equipped than the US Army because of the US Army small arms and cannon that had been stolen by the pretended confederacy.
These guys are jackasses
Why Fresno tolerated them is a mystery
Some are black and angry...like X though he never fesses up
And some are just stupid
Most are some sort of a minority ...skin or religion....figure beating up southern white heritage is an easy place to start for them
That is inaccurate
Anderson’s 3 days left was conditional on two things as he stated them:
Orders not to abandon period or resupply...unlikely
Beauregard had asked for a precise time and promise he would abandon the fort shortly given Anderson’s lack of food
Speaking strictly for myself I think Pierre acted a bit rash....
You continue to be one disgusting POS
Our uninvited guests wouldn't leave, even after asking them nicely.
As a matter of fact, they prepared to do us harm.
After Fort Sumter (where no one was killed from hostilities), the Union called for 70,000 volunteers to march to Richmond. That was the First Manassas (Bull Run). Clearly northern aggression.
As a matter of principal, the Confederacy was not demanding land or tribute. It just wanted to be left alone. It did not garrison forts within the territory of its northern neighbors. What were the the South's aggressive goals? To be left alone, to kindly part ways.
Now, what were the goals of the North? They were to force the South to submit, to retake southern territory into their union, and to dictate terms of existence to the South. Sounds very aggressive to me.
Had the North stopped attacking the South, the war would have stopped. The South had no desire to force anything on the North. Thus, the only aggression that existed, existed in the North.
Sounds like a dumb faggot
This is true. He rode into an ambush of and by his own men. General “Stonewall” Jackson was a Master Tactician. He Scouted, every field, before battle. Was certainly a sad day for the South losing this General.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/08/06/The-Pro-Slavery-Roots-of-the-Modern-Left
Long live the Conservative Bible believing and God fearing Southern states of today!
As a Devout Believer and Southerner, I want to Thank You for your comments.
always good to hear from folks who are the victors….. Lee was an honorable man who resigned from the US army because he felt compelled to defend his state…. and interesting position that the 10th amendment at the time seems to defend
The veneration of Lee as a pre-modern figure who followed his conscience has a bit of a post-modernist look to it, as though if you're sincere enough, you can turn away from long-held loyalties and commitments. I don't have a problem with people holding up Lee as a moral exemplar, a hero, a decent man, so long as we recognize there's also a lot of ambiguity involved. He was a better person than I could ever be, but gosh, there are complications in his personality that might give one pause.
Benning, an unsuccessful politician, had been a fervent secessionist well before 1860. In 1850 he went to the Nashville Convention and supported pro-secession measures. In 1860, Benning helped to break up his own Democratic Party, led the fight to take Georgia out of the Union, and went to Virginia as a secession commissioner to agitate for secession.
My own impulse would be to let sleeping dogs lie, to say that it's Fort Benning, like Fort Knox, and nobody gives much thought to just who Benning or (sadly) Knox was, but one might wonder, just how it was that that the government actually went along with the club's suggestion all those years ago.
:-)
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