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Judge: Calif. teen can be taken off life support
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Posted on 12/26/2013 8:20:32 AM PST by Morgana

OAKLAND, Calif. — A Northern California family who lost their bid to keep their 13-year-old daughter on life support says "there is still time for a miracle."

Alameda County Superior Court Judge Evelio Grillo has ruled that Jahi McMath, who was declared brain dead after suffering complications following a tonsillectomy, can be removed from the ventilator keeping her body functioning.

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: deathpanel; hhs; obamacare; prolife
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1 posted on 12/26/2013 8:20:32 AM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana

The parents need to sue the crap out of that hospital and all of the doctors involved for negligence which led to death.


2 posted on 12/26/2013 8:27:09 AM PST by Slyfox (We want our PRE-EXISTING HEALTH INSURANCE back!)
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To: Morgana

Time to harvest her organs, too.


3 posted on 12/26/2013 8:29:17 AM PST by coton_lover ("He who lives upon hope will die fasting." --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: coton_lover

Did her parents put her down for organ donation?


4 posted on 12/26/2013 8:30:35 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Slyfox

Was there negligence involved? I ask that because I know people die all the time in hospitals with no negligence involved. So ... were there indications of negligence?


5 posted on 12/26/2013 8:32:36 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Slyfox

If you looked at the pic of her on the news she looks morbidly obease, ya EVEN think THAT may have contributed to her “complications”?


6 posted on 12/26/2013 8:35:54 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Morgana

Ah, good. Maybe Florida can pass the torch to California for the next “Schiavo-gate.”


7 posted on 12/26/2013 8:36:03 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Morgana

http://www.examiner.com/article/tonsil-surgery-tragedy-teen-on-life-support-doctors-want-to-disconnect-it


8 posted on 12/26/2013 8:41:24 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Morgana

How the human brain makes connections and functions is not understood at all.

We have enough “miraculous” wake ups years later to know that many times, there is enough functionality undetected that works continuously to route new connections, restart itself.

Life wants to be.

Yet another tyrant judge, ignorant of biology, chooses expediency. The doctors simply gave him statistics. They know they have limited knowledge of what is happening.

A heart still beats. And a body still lives. Who is he to terminate that?


9 posted on 12/26/2013 8:49:26 AM PST by Regulator
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To: Morgana

This needs to be the parent’s decision, not the doctors or the courts.


10 posted on 12/26/2013 8:51:15 AM PST by Ironfocus
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To: Ironfocus

I agree if the parents are footing the bill.


11 posted on 12/26/2013 9:04:27 AM PST by soupbone1
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To: US Navy Vet
From what I have read, the complications were the result of post operative bleeding. I don't believe her weight would have too much bearing on that. Sounds like a surgical mistake compounded by inattentive post-op care.

It is however, highly likely that obesity was one of the primary drivers behind why she was having her tonsils removed in the first place. Sleep apnea.

Sad affair. Prayers for her and her family.

12 posted on 12/26/2013 9:08:19 AM PST by SouthParkRepublican
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To: SouthParkRepublican
If she had (per the news articles) severe obesity and severe sleep apnea, wouldn't her ability to breathe under anesthesia and IV morphine be a fairly major concern? Obesity is always a surgery complication.

And if her body told her (asleep or awake) that she as suffocating, wouldn't that result in agitation ---pitching around --- which could rip open sutures?

I think we (FReepers) should stop finding these doctors guilty of malpractice and/or negligence, until there's evidence. People do die from complications of surgery.

13 posted on 12/26/2013 9:21:10 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Credulity means believing something on little evidence, on no evidence, or against the evidence.)
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To: Slyfox
That was my first thought.

The ventilator ussue is after the fact of a simple operation somehow causing massive bleeding and the resulting brain damage because of it.

THAT'S the law suit, imo.

14 posted on 12/26/2013 9:25:06 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Morgana

The poor young girl is black which makes this a hate crime...


15 posted on 12/26/2013 9:30:08 AM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: knarf
Yeah, let's pull out her tonsils for her sleep apnea, so she can sleep better.

Instead, she gets a permanent hospital-induced dirt nap.

And, the hospital is trying to minimize her death just so they are not made responsible.

I have never heard of removing perfectly healthy tonsils for sleep apnea.

The hospital and her doctor who recommended the surgery ought to be made to pay.

16 posted on 12/26/2013 9:56:10 AM PST by Slyfox (We want our PRE-EXISTING HEALTH INSURANCE back!)
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To: Slyfox

I don’t know if there was negligence. I read somewhere that it wasn’t a “tonsellectomy” that it was a much more involved surgery. And that health privacy laws are preventing the full information from being released.


17 posted on 12/26/2013 9:59:26 AM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: rarestia; Slyfox; coton_lover; Star Traveler
This is materially, significantly different from the Schiavo case.

It is not murder in any sense of the word --- religious, legal, or ethical --- to remove a body from such life support as a ventilator, when that body is brain dead. You do not have to ventilate a corpse until it rots off the table.

This is to be distinguished from the situation of a person like Terri Schiavo, who was not brain dead, and not even dying --- no, not even "terminal" --- when they removed her nutrition and hydration. In her case, even though she was breathing on her own and responsive, her husband Michael wanted her gone, for whatever reason of weariness, confused compassion or personal interest (she did have assets he would inherit) --- and when at last she died, she did not die of her "underlying condition," she died of hunger and thirst: starvation and dehydration.

That, my friends, was murder.

In the pathetic situation reported on this thread, death has occurred. (That is.... if what was reported is true.)

Burying the dead is also a Work of Mercy. May the Lord comfort this shocked and grieving family. It must be unbelievably hard.

18 posted on 12/26/2013 10:01:38 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Credulity means believing something on little evidence, on no evidence, or against the evidence.)
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To: DannyTN
I think it was negligent for a doctor to recommend a tonsillectomy for a 13 year-old because of a supposed sleep problem. It may have been a case of "Well, we'll see if this works." And now she's dead after receiving a no-big-deal surgery that went horribly wrong.
19 posted on 12/26/2013 10:08:26 AM PST by Slyfox (We want our PRE-EXISTING HEALTH INSURANCE back!)
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To: Slyfox
I don't think they've released full information on everything that was diagnosed or tried.

The sleep apnea itself can be a serious condition that leads to high blood pressure, stroke and/or brain damage due to lack of oxygen.

I don't envy the judges role in this. There are many factors to consider, including who is paying for the care, whether the hospital room is needed for other patients, and how low the odds are that the girl would make a miraculous recovery.

20 posted on 12/26/2013 10:14:38 AM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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