Posted on 01/15/2014 4:26:24 PM PST by Kevmo
No one was given access to the "demo," so my going there -- or anyone's going there -- would have been a complete waste of time. All we've seen is a couple of paragraphs by an "Investor" who describes a "demo" that is nothing more than Mills has shown in the past.
We are now two days after the "demo," and there is not a single reliable report of what -- if anything -- was "demonstrated" that hasn't been "demonstrated" before. Just more of the usual "Unless you've read all 1000 pages of Mills [dubious -- and highly plagiarized] tome you'll never be able to understand what he's talking about. Meanwhile, I'm writing him a big fat check."
Soapy Smith used a similar technique.
Oh wait ... there was one significant outburst of heat from Mills' demo: comments on a LENR thread sympathetic to Rossi led Dr. Mills to make this statement [since scrubbed, and then removed]
"To me e-cat is a cult. What can you say to a group that believes in thousands of watts of an unknown nuclear reaction that has no trace of radiation, and believes in a reactor where no one outside knows the identity of what it is and the one who does has been jailed for fraud?'"
That's Mills talking, not me. On the other hand, Rossi has made numerous derogatory remarks about "hydrinos;" correctly pointing out on a few occasions that if they existed the Uncertainty Principle is wrong.
Ouch. That's got to leave a mark. But please don't call me a skeptopath: I agree with both men! Each of them is a huge fraud.
To answer your original question, NOPE. Not the least bit scared of Mills, Rossi, Defkalion, or any of the other hoaxers. All I'm scared of is the prospect that taxpayer money by way of an increasingly listless, deranged DOE or NASA will end up in their pockets.
Kevmo, are you admitting that it was a disaster?
Of course it was a disaster. That is because 100 MW for a nanosecond = 0.1 joules of energy. Saying that ‘it produces 100 MW of power’ and not specifying for how long, is smoke and mirrors to dupe the gullible.
I know you are going to rant that ‘the water can be fed continuously’. Get back to us when BLP generates 100 MW of sustained power for a period of one year.
I’m with you.
When I see a ‘cold fusion’ generate more net energy than was required to smelt, refine, and work the electrode I may raise an eyebrow.
I did want someone to go there because of the very issues in this thread. I mentioned the pathetic test of the magic Rossi tea kettle done during May of 2013 and they come back and say, well, the other test was real. So it would have been nice to have someone there who saw everything and we don't get the ra-ra squad saying we don't understand, the test was fine, the scientists weren't shills, the E-cat wasn't running, they got to inspect the power box etc, etc, etc.
What I didn't expect was a complete failure on Mill's part. I figured put 12000 amps into what is essentially an electrolysis cell even though it supposedly uses solid fuel (based on water, sayeth what?) there should have been some fireworks. Maybe Mills has partnered with Steorn on demos so they all fall as flat as Steorns bs that they actually blamed on global warming in their sealed box.
Nevertheless, I think there is something in this LENR and it's going to take someone to crack it and find out what IT is and whether it's viable or an artifact.
But, but, but, it could power 10000 houses and cars and make our world much better.
If it worked that is.
When professional magicians were called in to investigate, claims of ESP rapidly evaporated, or the proponents claimed that the "negative psi effect" of skeptics was destroying their work. And of course, there were conspiracies against them by "establishment scientists."
So when somebody challenges me that I would be unable to detect the fraud [of course because there isn't any], my reflexive reaction is: "Jeez, yet another one of KevmozKidz. Could you all just go down the Vortex, Puh-lease?"
Is there something there? Not in Mills or Rossi's "reactors." On that score I think we can be pretty sure. These are straight-up fakers shaking down rich people with more money than brains. On some of the other experiments I'm semi-agnostic [leaning skeptic], thinking artifacts, ambient contamination, and at a very outside chance some metastable lattice configuration or phonon-coupling interaction specific to certain metals that releases anomalous energy but isn't a viable power source. Some funding is going to people who aren't crackpots or frauds. We'll see.
Yes I’m saying it was a disaster, because it was a dog & pony show for investors.
I know you’re going to rant on all kinds of bullshit that you don’t bother to read up on, we all know it, and asking you not to be an asshole is simply too much to ask. So get back to us when you learned how to gauge an asshole*bandwagon index.
All I’m scared of is the prospect that taxpayer money by way of an increasingly listless, deranged DOE or NASA will end up in their pockets.
***Bullshit. If that was your concern, you’d have been loudly squawking on controlled-hot-fusion threads and decrying the hundreds of $Billions lost to that fraud. The only reason you decry LENR is the asshole*bandwagon index is high for CHF, low for LENR.
it does appear, however, that a method to generate a constant stream of potty-language has been discovered...
most of these “demonstrations” are following the same template as the “demonstrations” done with ESP in the 1970’s and 1980’s.
*** These guys are claiming real world results that are measurable. When they fail, they fail in the face of real world results. They’re not claiming to get energy from the void.
When professional magicians were called in to investigate, claims of ESP rapidly evaporated, or the proponents claimed that the “negative psi effect” of skeptics was destroying their work.
***And when I point out that at least 2 of the scientists who investigated Rossi’s claim were on the Skeptics Society, that ain’t good enough for you guys who have such a high asshole*bandwagon index.
So when somebody challenges me that I would be unable to detect the fraud [of course because there isn’t any],
***Well, did you? Is failure fraud? How about those hundreds of $billions of fraud pissed down the Controlled-Hot-Fusion rathole? Nahh, you won’t talk about that because the asshole*bandwagon index is high for CHF, low for LENR.
my reflexive reaction is: “Jeez, yet another one of KevmozKidz. Could you all just go down the Vortex, Puh-lease?”
***Well, aint that an excellent example of someone simply acting like a pure asshole?
On some of the other experiments I’m semi-agnostic [leaning skeptic], thinking artifacts, ambient contamination, and at a very outside chance some metastable lattice configuration or phonon-coupling interaction specific to certain metals that releases anomalous energy but isn’t a viable power source.
***That’s news to me. Artifacts? Not according to the LEADERS in instrumentation artifact error, National Instruments. Contamination? How is that possible across 14,700 replications? It ain’t. metastable lattice configuration or phonon-coupling interaction specific to certain metals that releases anomalous energy? Well, once we get past your pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo, it’s pretty much what I’ve been saying all along, well before Rossi got here. But you focus so much of your energy on nonscientific bullshit that your position has been obfuscated completely. At least that draws you back from being a skeptopath, you’re just very skeptical and don’t seem to be able to elaborate your views without engaging in freshman level logical fallacies.
Some funding is going to people who aren’t crackpots or frauds. We’ll see.
***Just like you keyed up on LX, I look forward to the LENR skeptopaths keying up on you for just such a statement.
And much of that is thanks to people like you, Hogwash Dupe, who contribute absolutely nothing to the furtherance of the science behind these claims. It is your kind of insults which keep this kind of thread open, so keep up the “good” work...
It is humorous that you use that kind of hypothetical as a form of derision because I have asked virtually the same hypothetical of skeptopaths and they refuse to answer it because they know that IF LENR works, it will drastically change the world.
Skeptopaths also know that if ambient air was made of cheese, it would be difficult-to-impossible to start your car without at least retuning your carburetor. Spockopaths finds this logical.
To the extent that the entire sane part of the planet is laughing at Kevmo, I guess I can understand why he can’t seem to ever make a reply without a string of expletives. Still, he doesn’t seem to understand that it detracts from his already silly “arguments.”
If Gully Foyle could teleport, that would drastically change the world, too. If Hari Seldon could really predict the future using psycho-history, that also would radically change the world. If Albus Dumbledore could really do magic, that would radically change the world.
Quantum Mechanics is unbelievable ... but it changed the world. The Special Theory of Relativity is unbelievable ... but it changed the world.
But no one is skeptical of LENR/CANR/CF because of its world changing potential, nor because of its unbelievability. They're skeptical because, like Hari Seldon, Gully Foyle, and Albus Dumbledore, and unlike Quantum Physics, it's fiction.
If Gully Foyle could teleport, that would drastically change the world, too.
***If gully Foyle had 14,700 replications to back up his claims, I’d be posting teleportation threads every day.
If Hari Seldon could really predict the future using psycho-history, that also would radically change the world.
***If Hari had a multi$billion company like Scientific Instruments looking over peer reviewed results and saying that there is a verified physical anomaly, I’d be posting Hari Kari threads every day.
If Albus Dumbledore could really do magic, that would radically change the world.
***If Dumbledoof had 7 independent scientists investigate his black box while he isn’t even in the room (at some point, not even on the same CONTINENT), and then someone else investigated his claim and pulled out a checkbook for $11M for the technology, I’d be posting his claim as well.
Quantum Mechanics is unbelievable ... but it changed the world.
***How? Where is your QM car or QM Jet Pack or QM water heater? That’s the level we’re talking about. The analogy you’re looking for is the Wright brothers. For 5 years they flew airplanes out in the open and were called frauds because they wouldn’t demo to the satisfaction of those whose intention was to steal their IP. Were they frauds?
The Special Theory of Relativity is unbelievable ... but it changed the world.
***It sure did. It led to the A-Bomb and we all have to live with it now. How exactly was it “unbelievable” at the time? The AdamHenry*Bandwagon Index for Einstein was of no concern at the time.
But no one is skeptical of LENR/CANR/CF because of its world changing potential, nor because of its unbelievability.
***The AdamHenry*Bandwagon joiners were skeptical of the Wright brothers because of its unbelievability.
They’re skeptical because, like Hari Seldon, Gully Foyle, and Albus Dumbledore, and unlike Quantum Physics, it’s fiction.
***Fiction does not have 14,700 replications to back up its claim. So it turns out, you’re skeptical for the same reason the scientific luminaries of the Wright brothers’ day were: the AdamHenry*Bandwagon index for LENR is low. But those skeptics were wrong, weren’t they? And they were wrong for very, very similar reasons that you are wrong today.
It is humorous that you use that kind of hypothetical as a form of derision because I have asked virtually the same hypothetical of skeptopaths and they refuse to answer it because they know that IF LENR works, it will drastically change the world.
***Note how my point is reinforced by FraudZagonner’s reply.
You can't possibly be as stupid as this remark shows you to be.
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