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The New Ammunition That Has Gun Owners Drooling
The Liberty Digest ^ | Jan 25, 2014 | Chad Cunningham

Posted on 01/25/2014 10:47:13 AM PST by Islander7

They call it the R.I.P. round and with good reason. G2 Research has released a new ammo that is taking the market by storm and has gun owners all over the country trying to find where to pick some up.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Military/Veterans; Outdoors; Reference
KEYWORDS: ammo; ammunition; banglist; hollowpoint; manstopper; rip; secondamendment
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To: Yorlik803
"Can you imagine what a 12 Ga round like this would do to a person."

you could probably get pretty close results with a standard Deer slug a bench vise and a dremel tool...

51 posted on 01/25/2014 11:42:31 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Vaquero

No need. That pistol will easily consume stuff that would gag a maggot. Far and away the most reliable auto loader I’ve ever owned, carried or fired, with any bullet configuration I’ve ever dared try in it. I just question whether the particular geometry of this projectile will lend itself to regular feeding in already extremely reliable firearms. It very well may, i just have some big questions about it doing so.


52 posted on 01/25/2014 11:44:50 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Turbopilot
A flack vest is filled with fiberglass strands

The Viet Nam “flack vests” were to stop shrapnel and not bullets. The one that I wore was filled with a fiberglass mat. I really don't care if you call me a liar or not but you should at least use facts.

I also thing if you bother to look up Teflon you would find several theories.

53 posted on 01/25/2014 11:46:25 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Islander7

Pretty cool, looks like they just took the flechette shotgun rounds and adapted them to work with a pistol cartridge.


54 posted on 01/25/2014 11:47:51 AM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: Islander7

These are cool but I’ll play devil’s advocate:

-That’s a very light bullet for 9mm. Once it sheds the “teeth” there’s very little mass penetrating into the target.
-The video claims these things penetrate any known obstacle, then shows them penetrating a lot of ballistic gel and paper. I think they shoot one cinder block.
-I’m skeptical that the teeth could act in a saw-like manner upon hitting a target. If fired out of a barrel of, say, 1:10 twist, the bullet is traveling almost a foot forward for every 360 degree rotation. There’s no way that you could achieve any real cutting action with the small rotation the bullet would have in passing through a fraction of an inch of material.
-No mention of cost, but I’m guessing it’ll be high compared to traditional self-defense ammo.
-The videos don’t show any comparison to other JHP rounds. You can make cool videos with any ammo but if this stuff is supposed to be better than other self-defense ammo they should show a comparison.

For all I know these things may be the greatest invention in ammo since the self-loading cartridge. But I wouldn’t say I’m “drooling” just yet.


55 posted on 01/25/2014 11:50:35 AM PST by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: Joe 6-pack

I have a bone stock US Army Remington Rand 1911A1 circa 1943 that will feed anything...
....my son has a retro Colt 1911A1 made in 2002. it has the Property US Govt (they made it slightly different so as not to be confused with the originals ) Both are about as accurate as the other....but his does not like feed anything but FMJ rounds....

he really gets pissed when he sees mine shoot lead bullets without a glitch.....


56 posted on 01/25/2014 11:54:55 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Yorlik803
From Russia with love. This is what they've used against Ukrainian protestors.
57 posted on 01/25/2014 11:56:24 AM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: mountainlion
If you want to continue spreading the MSM-generated myth that Teflon coatings on bullets increase their ability to penetrate body armor, you can take it up with the guy who invented the Teflon-coated bullet:

Kopsch: "Adding a teflon coating to the round added 20% penetration power on metal and glass. Critics kept complaining about teflon's ability to penetrate body armor. That was nonsense typical of do-gooders. In fact, teflon cut down on the round's ability to cut through the nylon or kevlar of body armor."

58 posted on 01/25/2014 11:57:03 AM PST by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: Joe 6-pack
"I have a CZ-75B..."

I always sensed there was something prestigious about you.

59 posted on 01/25/2014 11:58:22 AM PST by VR-21 (Next Stop, Willoughby.)
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To: Max in Utah

I said: “The film says there is no lead.”
You said: “Non-toxic, therefore healthy.”

Glad the attacker will die healthy.

I have lead pellets for an air gun pistol, and they turn my hand black while I load that pistol, so I wear throw away plastic gloves to handle those pellets. I mean those are so dirty, it’s bad.


60 posted on 01/25/2014 12:01:25 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Turbopilot
I saw a demonstration of a new technology bullet that was a compost material, I can't remember the name of the technology or I would look it up for you. It could penetrate a 1/2” steel or when they shot a pot roast it almost exploded the meat. The compost was Teflon, Nylon and unnamed heavy metals. One of the winners of the 50 BMG 1000 yard matches did win with solid steel bullets and my flak jacket in Viet Nam was fiberglass.
61 posted on 01/25/2014 12:08:52 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: mountainlion
Yup. deadly on fresh fruit, water balloons, and gelatin, but let's see how it handles penetration of heavy leather jackets or denim, and things like car doors/windows, tree limbs/foliage (general concealment). Frangibles have their place, but I'm sold on the .45 ACP in 230 grs. I worked with an armorer some time ago providing ballistic protection for vehicles. The .45 round absolutely mauled the ballistic aluminum plate inserts of the door panels.
62 posted on 01/25/2014 12:09:39 PM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Vaquero; Yorlik803

Im currently debating on the charge for my 357 carry ammo. I want it hotter than 38+P but dont need a full 1300fps on a 125 grn hollow point (usually measured on a 6” barrel). My snubby Dan Wesson will probly only produce 1000 fps with that load but the flash and recoil are just wasteful, after all, Im not really trying to impress the bad guys or blind myself to my second shot, I just want reliable expansion at about 950-1000 fps and enough more “bang” to let any other bad guys around that this guy aint just packing a pea shooter.

Taking my barrel gap from .006” down to .003” to conserve escaping gasses, might get a few more fps on a smaller charge. I need the weather to cooperate so I can get out and test some of this!

I think I’m gonna call them “Humming Bird Feathers”.


63 posted on 01/25/2014 12:10:08 PM PST by Delta 21 (If you like your freedom, you can keep your freedom. Period.)
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To: mountainlion
A flack vest is filled with fiberglass strands that catch the sharp irregular shapes to protect the wearer. The so called cop killer bullets were hard with a Teflon coating that would help penetrate.

Actually, the Teflon was only added to protect the rifling of the barrel. The bullets were so hard that they scored the bore without it.

64 posted on 01/25/2014 12:17:47 PM PST by Sparticus (Tar and feathers for the next dumb@ss Republican that uses the word bipartisanship.)
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To: mountainlion

The penetration comes from the density of the projectile. This is true regardless of whether the object being penetrated is steel plate or fiber-based body armor. A bullet made of those heavy metals without Teflon would penetrate as well or even better, but would wear out barrels too fast.

If I was too harsh in my original post I apologize. The “Teflon cop-killer bullet” myth, like the “plastic gun that’s invisible to X-ray machines”, was a myth that the media invented to lie about guns and I hate seeing it spread.


65 posted on 01/25/2014 12:22:07 PM PST by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: meatloaf
I heard that Zim used Critical Defense. I am surprised the media didn't demonize whatever brand it was.
66 posted on 01/25/2014 12:26:41 PM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama phones= Bread and circuits.)
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To: Turbopilot
"If I was too harsh in my original post I apologize."

You are a class act, Turbopilot. We could use more of that around here.
67 posted on 01/25/2014 12:27:14 PM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Islander7

And the one demonstrated is “only” a 9mm round!


68 posted on 01/25/2014 12:38:47 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: PowderMonkey
>>. As of now, the company is only releasing specifications for their 9mm round and they go a lil’ something like this: * 16″ Penetration * Up to 6″ diameter spread * 96 gr projectile * 2″ grouping at 25 yrds * 1265 FPS / 490 Muzzle Energy * 9 Separate Wound Channels * Precision Machined * Solid Copper / Lead Free * Defeats all known barriers such as sheet metal, sheet rock, windshields, plywood, heavy winter clothing<< Definitely close range ammo.
69 posted on 01/25/2014 12:48:35 PM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: mountainlion

“I think a ballistic vest will easily stop them as they would fragment quickly. “

Maybe not. The video claims their teeth work like a spinning hole saw, drilling trough the first obstacle before they lose their energy and fragment.


70 posted on 01/25/2014 12:49:49 PM PST by catnipman
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To: Islander7

Rhu Rooo. More of them danged cop killer bullets.


71 posted on 01/25/2014 12:56:59 PM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: umgud

>> Will cost and availability be better than 22lr ammo right now?

Sure. It couldn’t possibly be worse.


72 posted on 01/25/2014 12:58:41 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: meatloaf

That round looks fairly similar to the BRI sabot 12 ga. rounds I stocked up on back in the early nineties...

Love ‘em!


73 posted on 01/25/2014 1:02:19 PM PST by JDoutrider
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
wonder how reliable it is loading in semi autos

I was thinking the same thing. Some autos are fussy about the configuration of the tip.

74 posted on 01/25/2014 1:07:38 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Delta 21

My .357 big game load is 16-17 gr of IMR 4227 with 158gr hornady XTP. It is right around 1100 fps 4” Bbl smith model 17. I’ve used it for coup de gras on whitetails. Never for takedown. A little too big for hominids. Better with the 125 gr which you speak.


75 posted on 01/25/2014 1:18:32 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Turbopilot
I have Teflon treated levers barrels of my guns. It used to be the real hot thing but now there are a log of detractors. It is supposed to reduce friction and barrel fouling. If I remember correctly bullet energy is mass times the velocity squared. Penetration is a whole different science that goes into depleted uranium, lead... and what is being penetrated. There are some pressed powder bullets like the Varmint grenade and military penetrator/expanding one they showed on the Military Channel. There is a lot of truth, hype and lies out there and sometimes it is hard to tell the difference.
76 posted on 01/25/2014 1:19:50 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Islander7

A R.I.P. shotgun slug would be entertaining.


77 posted on 01/25/2014 1:23:43 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: mountainlion
The so called cop killer bullets were hard with a Teflon coating that would help penetrate.

Negative. The teflon coat was meant to prevent barrel damage. The round was hardened, and would rip up the barrel. The teflon did no penetrating and aided in no way.

Common mistake.

78 posted on 01/25/2014 1:25:43 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz
The teflon coat was meant to prevent barrel damage

Also reduced friction, heat, barrel fouling and helped increase velocity.

79 posted on 01/25/2014 1:28:29 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: mountainlion

Correct. But it did not aid in penetration of Kevlar.


80 posted on 01/25/2014 1:29:52 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Delta 21

“I decided that if the police and FBI, etc thought it was safe enough for them to use, it would be safe enough for me to use. They take safety of themselves and collateral damage into account in the ammo they use. I want to be at least as safe as they are.”


81 posted on 01/25/2014 1:42:47 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Vaquero

Have taken a small whitetail with my Dan Wesson with the 8’ barrel with a very similar load. It really is a hand cannon and very accurate (all the rage at silhouette shooting in the 70’s), but recently I shrunk it down with the snubby barrel and tiny concealed carry grips and it rides comfortably all day long.

I like the safeties on my revolver much better than the ones on my semi-autos.


82 posted on 01/25/2014 1:49:54 PM PST by Delta 21 (If you like your freedom, you can keep your freedom. Period.)
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To: Marcella

There are already myriad specialty slug rounds for the shotgun. Not sure this one is really necessary for the shotgun, but handguns, yes.


83 posted on 01/25/2014 1:53:10 PM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: Islander7

84 posted on 01/25/2014 2:09:59 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Delta 21

The modern revolver is Inherently safe. Mine are made by S&W, Ruger and Colt(SAA only safe with 5 rounds). The beauty is you don’t have any safety devices to shut off. Double action you just shoot. Single action you cock and shoot. No grip safeties. No safety ambidextrous or not. Don’t need em.

I have never handled a dan Wesson. I do know they are adjustable for barrel length and barrel/cylinder gap. Cool concept.

I have taken 2-180lb does with a Ruger redhawk (the old style not the super model ) in .44 mag. 1 at 50yd and 1 at 75 yds. Both went down for good after 1 shot. I recovered no bullets. The 75 yd shot was extreme quartering away. Suffice it to say that it traversed pretty much the whole deer and exited the chest. This was a 1200fps 240 grain hollow point Sierra pill. My load once again with IMR-4227(I forget the weight). Off a bench I have made 1 hole three shot groups. Very nice trigger for a stock piece. My back tells me not to carry it any more. I slip a .380acp Colt mustang in my vest for a coup de gras and for varmints. Gonna switch to a Ruger LCP or lc9. Much lighter.


85 posted on 01/25/2014 2:20:05 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: I-ambush
No lead core all 100% copper. Will not go thought body armor as it dumps all it's energy on contact. I call it a grenade round as that's the way it works.
86 posted on 01/25/2014 2:24:39 PM PST by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!)
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To: SgtHooper

“There are already myriad specialty slug rounds for the shotgun.”

I have slugs for the shotgun.


87 posted on 01/25/2014 2:28:27 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Yorlik803

“They should rename it “fluffy Bunny “ or “ Goose Feather” round.”

Or maybe, the Stay-Puff round, after Ghost-Busters!


88 posted on 01/25/2014 2:38:35 PM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Vaquero

“4” Bbl smith model 17”{

17? Typo? Did you mean a model 27?


89 posted on 01/25/2014 2:45:05 PM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

Model 19. Typo. 4”bbl


90 posted on 01/25/2014 3:29:54 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: marktwain

Designed by the famous Bill Jordan of the Border Patrol who cajoled s&w to take a K frame .38 and beef it up a bit to handle the .357 magnum. It’s light and a little whippy but shoots full house loads accurately (but not meant for constant magnum pounding) so I shoot .38 +P equivalent lead loads in .357 brass for most target shooting.


91 posted on 01/25/2014 3:36:10 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Islander7

Beehive Jr.?


92 posted on 01/25/2014 3:48:05 PM PST by NonValueAdded (It's not the penalty, it's the lack of coverage on 1 Jan. Think about it.)
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To: Max in Utah

“Non-toxic, therefore healthy.”

Like eating a salad.


93 posted on 01/25/2014 5:13:15 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: Vaquero

Nice revolvers. I had at least one. I like the K frame .38s a bit more. Actually, Taurus made a seven shot ported .357 magnum in Titanium that I thought was about ideal in 6.5 inch barrel. It was ported. The barrel, weight, and porting made up for the lack of a great trigger in double action... though it was decent.

They do not make them anymore.


94 posted on 01/25/2014 6:03:10 PM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Delta 21
“What will the prosecuting attorney have to say about you using a personal defence round named “RIP”?”

A very important consideration. My carry gun uses Critical Defense because the name implies defense rather than offense. I also keep a conventional wood stocked shotgun for home defense because of the image.

95 posted on 01/25/2014 6:41:22 PM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama phones= Bread and circuits.)
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To: Dusty Road
Looks more like a novelty product, I’ll keep my CORBON’s.

Agreed. I carry CORBON POWRBALL. I had seen their advertisements and decided to test them myself. I used a plastic trash can filled with nothing but water. When I recovered the slug it had expanded to twice its original diameter and the copper sheath was totally stripped from the lead slug. The copper sheath was like razor blades.

The target trash can was no more than 12 inches thick. It did not exit the trash can. This means that the total energy of the 9mm slug was delivered to the target which means knock down power. Any energy out the backside of the target is wasted. Powrball is good stuff. It will not penetrate a "bullet proof" vest but it will take down a bad guy without one. Even if the bad guy is wearing a vest, multiple rounds will knock him down. 467 foot lbs of energy delivered multiple times will knock you down, not kill you but knock you down. At that point the bad guy is at your mercy.

96 posted on 01/25/2014 7:47:33 PM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!!!!)
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To: iontheball

If they’re referred to as such, they will be banned forthwith in CA...


97 posted on 01/25/2014 9:34:06 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Marcella

You could just wash your hands afterwards.

I cast round ball for my .44s, sample soil for lead near every day and even hold a pellet (.177, 10.5gr) or 2 in my lips when in the offhand lane in a Field Target competition and I have yet to pop over any level of concern in my annual blood lead test (I work with hazardous waste and you need an annual physical for monitoring).


98 posted on 01/25/2014 10:27:41 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Marcella
“Does this round do away with the lead core?” The film says there is no lead.

So it will lose velocity quickly. It probably won't have much stopping power past 25 yards, but at typical self-defense distance (under 7 yards) it will probably be very effective.

99 posted on 01/26/2014 4:49:10 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: CrazyIvan

Couldn’t agree more. Here in Norway the local police can inspect how your guns are stored (gun safe must be bolted to an immovable wall.) I don’t waNt any gun looking too ‘tactical’. Just a plain ol’ hunting gun.


100 posted on 01/26/2014 5:05:32 AM PST by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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