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Horror: Cops tackle, beat, pepper-spray, pin, suffocate, kill innocent man
Daily Caller ^ | 02/25/2014 | Robby Soave

Posted on 02/26/2014 7:01:29 AM PST by Rusty0604

Disturbing video of a police incident in an Oklahoma parking lot shows a man who had committed no crime dying after being roughed up and violently restrained by four cops–all while his grief-stricken wife watched in horror.

The man, 44-year-old Luis Rodriguez, died in a Moore, Oklahoma movie theater parking lot. Police were responding to a reported domestic disturbance. Rodriguez’s wife admitted to slapping the couple’s 19-year-old daughter in the face over a disagreement about the girl’s behavior. Rodriguez, however, was not involved and had not done anything wrong, according to local news reports.

But when police arrived, they wanted to question Rodriguez. According to the Moore police department, Rodriguez was not cooperative, and cops were forced to handcuff and restrain him.

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KEYWORDS: cops; donutwatch; luisrodriguez; moore; standingarmy
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To: ladyjane

Stop resisting! Rapists say this too.


51 posted on 02/26/2014 8:19:55 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (http://jonah2eight.blogspot.com/)
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To: skeeter

But they were produced by the same system that is becoming as much a threat to the law abiding as the criminal.


Yep. That is the core problem here.

I confess that I’d like to see a video like this (from beginning to end) where the guy is able to get ahold of one of the cops guns and shoot (not necessarily kill) every one of them, and then lock himself in the back of one of the squad cars and turn himself in - all on camera. And at his trial he can use videos like this one to justify his actions.


52 posted on 02/26/2014 8:21:57 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: skeeter

Fair enough to distinguish between 2nd and 1st degree murder.


53 posted on 02/26/2014 8:21:57 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

One could also claim that their neighbor is involved in suspected drug activity.


54 posted on 02/26/2014 8:24:35 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

BUMP


55 posted on 02/26/2014 8:24:43 AM PST by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: thejokker
So... if Rodriguez had been polite and respectful to the police than he most likely would still be alive. Sure the police over-reacted and should be punished to the full extent of the law but the situation could have easily been avoided by common sense.

You sound like the kind of Muslim apologists that we have all come to expect after every terrorist attack: "Yes, the 9/11 terrorists were wrong to kill a few thousand innocent people in the name of Allah, but you have to understand that this would have never happened if not for the evil Jooos and imperialist Americans."

We hear the same sort of BS crappola from lefties when excusing certain minorities from criminal behavior: "Sure they should be punished, but go lenient because their violent criminal conduct is really the fault of racist white people, the Tea Party, George Bush, and global warming."

56 posted on 02/26/2014 8:39:59 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos
So... if Rodriguez had been polite and respectful to the police than he most likely would still be alive. Sure the police over-reacted and should be punished to the full extent of the law but the situation could have easily been avoided by common sense.

You sound like the kind of Muslim apologists that we have all come to expect after every terrorist attack: "Yes, the 9/11 terrorists were wrong to kill a few thousand innocent people in the name of Allah, but you have to understand that this would have never happened if not for the evil Jooos and imperialist Americans."

We hear the same sort of BS crappola from lefties when excusing certain minorities from criminal behavior: "Sure they should be punished, but go lenient because their violent criminal conduct is really the fault of racist white people, the Tea Party, George Bush, and global warming."

... and you sound like the Trayvon Martin supporters who claim it was George Zimmerman's fault he had to shot the thug. In both cases polite and respectful behavior from both parties would have defused the situation. In both cases one party was inappropriately aggressive and things escalated.

"You" sound like the liberal apologist for bad behavior...

57 posted on 02/26/2014 9:03:42 AM PST by thejokker
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To: Rusty0604

But did all the OFFICERS get home safe?


58 posted on 02/26/2014 9:05:02 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

59 posted on 02/26/2014 9:05:10 AM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: Chickensoup
There was a man on Utube who was asphyxiated during a traffic stop by two cops. He kept telling them he could not breathe. Then he didn’t.

That's what this guy said too. Looks like they just kept on him until they were sure he was dead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhWAs7byKFM

60 posted on 02/26/2014 9:06:59 AM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: Rusty0604

Depends if you want them killed or just robbed by the popo.


61 posted on 02/26/2014 9:07:32 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: thejokker

Is that your best come-back? You ought to be embarrassed. FYI — I supported Zimmerman on the facts.


62 posted on 02/26/2014 9:30:24 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: FamiliarFace

Wow — I just watched that video.

The 5 cops sit on him for a few minutes the very act of which can cause asphyxiation.

Then after he is handcuffed they still sit on him.

Then they turn him over and sit him up and he is not breathing and yet none of those officers were concerned enough to check on him.

Had they administered any form of CPR at that point he might still be alive.

These cops need to pay —


63 posted on 02/26/2014 9:37:37 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Rusty0604

He’s male. He’s presumed the aggressor.


64 posted on 02/26/2014 9:38:15 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: Rusty0604

When I fight authority

authority always wins.


65 posted on 02/26/2014 9:38:55 AM PST by Penner
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To: Uncle Chip

Until lawsuits by citizens are paid from PD coffers and not just cities (who in turn just raise taxes on taxpayers), nothing will change.

If the people committing the wrongdoing are not paying a personal price for it, nothing changes.


66 posted on 02/26/2014 9:39:12 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: thejokker
There are different types of people in this world. Some can sell pool cleaning equipment to Beduins in the middle of the desert. Others can escalate any situation to the level of violence. I have seen officers, even in training, that can escalate a training scenario when the objective is the opposite.

From an academic standpoint, I don't know if that trait can be trained out of people. From a real world standpoint, something needs to change to make it easier for departments to get rid of officers like that. Maybe a longer probation period.

Other factors can affect police performance, as well. Las Vegas lost an officer in the line of duty a few years ago and over the next year the number of officer shootings increased substantially. Not saying that those officers declared open season on gang bangers, but something was going on.

67 posted on 02/26/2014 9:43:04 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: TurboZamboni
Until lawsuits by citizens are paid from PD coffers and not just cities (who in turn just raise taxes on taxpayers), nothing will change.

Yep --

68 posted on 02/26/2014 9:43:44 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Rusty0604
The trouble with cops is that they lack respect for the common person. Everyone is a criminal in their eyes. My wife was stopped for the supposed traffic violation of not signaling during a turn(although she was following a traffic cop’s instructions). Besides that point, she was pulled over. Suddenly, 3 cop cars show up all taking positions around the vehicle. After waiting for like 10 minutes, she opened the car door to ask what was going on and the cops all put their hands on their weapons and demanded she return to the vehicle NOW!!!!!

Oh, her “crime” was that her name was remotely close to A MAN'S NAME who had a warrant out for his arrest. Her first name is Dawn and the warrant was for a “Don”. The last names both began with a “C” but were not the same, not even the same amount of syllables. WTF???? 3 cops — I'm sure she would have been put down the same as this guy if she didn't immediately close the door. Power hungry SOB’s.

69 posted on 02/26/2014 9:45:32 AM PST by Londo Molari
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To: Penner
When I fight authority authority always wins.

It's not the winning that is the problem here.

It's the killing under the cover of authority.

70 posted on 02/26/2014 9:45:48 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: thejokker
So... if Rodriguez had been polite and respectful to the police than he most likely would still be alive. Sure the police over-reacted and should be punished to the full extent of the law but the situation could have easily been avoided by common sense.

How do you, I or anyone else on this thread know what happened, beyond what was reported? We don't, it is that simple.

Yes, he might have been rude. I don't recall any law against rudeness, as socially distasteful as it might be. Maybe he just objected to the manner in which his wife and/or daughter were being questioned? Maybe he voiced displeasure at being accused of "child abuse" when, in fact, he did nothing? We can't know at this stage, but there's a lot of doubt. Maybe being ultra polite would have helped, maybe not. I do agree that it is better to try that type of response first, as you can't act the part of a jerk and then suddenly expect anyone (cop or not) to believe that you are sincere if you change your tactics.a

Meanwhile, it seems more and more like if you don't get on your hands and knees and gently kiss the shoes of the local PD (after politely asking permission, of course), the you're accused of being "uncooperative" or "resisting arrest" or "using force against an officer" or similar such BS. I, for one, have lost most of my respect for the police in this country (esp. the metro variety), despite having grown up in a "law and order" household. Why? Well, it isn't because most cops are bad like these murdering jackasses - they aren't, and quite to the contrary they are mostly good eggs. It is because they remain silent at best, or automatically close ranks behind wrongdoers at worst, regardless of the merits of a particular case. That is unacceptable, and leads me to be very suspicious of their motives - especially since I am a gun owner. They appear to no longer be here to help you.

In short, we've gone from a world of "Adam 12" type cops to one in which they all seem to be wearing body armor, pointing full auto weapons in your face and acting like everyone not wearing their uniform is an immediate threat to their lives. WTF, over?!

71 posted on 02/26/2014 9:46:04 AM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Rusty0604

Pressing a person to death was a form of torture used in the Dark Ages. It looks like the Dark Ages are back.


72 posted on 02/26/2014 9:47:18 AM PST by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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Murder, in the first degree, for all of them.


73 posted on 02/26/2014 10:01:20 AM PST by AlmaKing
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To: Cyber Liberty
Agreed. Meanwhile, cops need to be treated like everybody else by the criminal justice system.

It is sad to say this will never happen. The police are the front line in extra tax collections and thus have full reign to do whatever they need to extricate every last penny from the once-free citizens of this country. The extra murders and violence allowed them are to make sure we become a compliant mass that will obey everything the Government tells us to do and to ensure we stop complaining about Government workers pay and benefits while we starve.

We may not become North Korea but we surly are on our way towards the mass murders and starvation of the old Soviet Union, unless we take our Founding Fathers and the Second Amendment seriously.

74 posted on 02/26/2014 10:03:16 AM PST by OldMissileer
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To: Georgia Girl 2

No, you assumed the wrong party was being served and protected.

“To serve and protect” never mentions private citizens.

It’s increasingly clear that the Interests and Revenue of the State are in view.


75 posted on 02/26/2014 10:22:35 AM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: AD from SpringBay

Ever notice how the victim is looked upon as being “in the wrong”* if she or he does anything to “antagonize” a rapist or a police officer?

*according to “conventional wisdom”


76 posted on 02/26/2014 10:26:24 AM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Labyrinthos

likewise I would be embarrassed by your comeback. Clearly you are biased against the police and assume they are in the wrong.


77 posted on 02/26/2014 10:27:34 AM PST by thejokker
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To: Altariel

Maybe there’s a correlation between rapists and feral cops who both use the phrase, ‘stop resisting’ as an excuse to beat their victims. Someone should do a study on what triggers the violence in these situations.


78 posted on 02/26/2014 10:32:25 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (http://jonah2eight.blogspot.com/)
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To: Ancesthntr
But when police arrived, they wanted to question Rodriguez. According to the Moore police department, Rodriguez was not cooperative, and cops were forced to handcuff and restrain him.

Rodriquez fought the law and the law won. I guess he never heard of Sun Tzu. The law of the jungle for thousands of years dictates that stupidity can be fatal. Don't start fights you cannot win...

79 posted on 02/26/2014 10:48:14 AM PST by thejokker
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To: SampleMan
2nd degree murder involves assault where death is a distinct possibility.

That is my point - if they "beat" the guy as the headline says, then 2nd degree murder is appropriate. If they physically restrained him and he died from a bad heart its something else.

Can you tell exactly what happened from the information provided here? I can't.

80 posted on 02/26/2014 11:08:08 AM PST by skeeter
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To: skeeter
Can you tell exactly what happened from the information provided here? I can't.

From the information provided:
1. The man committed no crime
2. Police charge that he was uncooperative; not a crime, and not justification for such a take-down.
3. Article says 4 cops, I count 5 in video, holding the man down. 3 pressing down on his chest and one on his neck.
4. When he’s unresponsive, no one checks for a pulse or performs CPR.

If there were video of me doing this to someone who died in the process, I would be in jail right now, awaiting a trial for 2nd degree murder. Because when 5 people squeeze the air out of a man who isn't moving on the pavement, a reasonable person would conclude that lack of oxygen leads to death, whether it be heart attack, asphyxiation, etc.

81 posted on 02/26/2014 11:29:32 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: shove_it

I received a critical alert on the webpage for a dangerous process.


82 posted on 02/26/2014 11:46:37 AM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: SampleMan
When he’s unresponsive, no one checks for a pulse or performs CPR.

If the EMTs performed CPR on the way to the hospital, then the question has to be asked why the police were not doing so for the 3 minutes that he was handcuffed and unresponsive before they got there.

The woman kept asking about her husband's unresponsiveness and they kept brushing her off -- oh he's okay. Not only would they not help him but they also would not let her help him.

83 posted on 02/26/2014 12:01:51 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: thejokker

Refusing to cooperate is now starting a fight?


84 posted on 02/26/2014 12:30:10 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: thejokker
The law of the jungle for thousands of years dictates that stupidity can be fatal. Don't start fights you cannot win...

Supposedly we live in a country of laws designed to protect the weak FROM the strong. The law of the 'strongest wins' has no place in this country. I have laws to protect me from cops and a gun to protect me from everyone else.
85 posted on 02/26/2014 12:54:49 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: Rusty0604

Judge Dread makes his call....DEATH.!!


86 posted on 02/26/2014 1:12:48 PM PST by unread (Rescind the 17th. Amendment...bring the power BACK to the states...!)
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To: TalonDJ

why are you so quick to assume the cops were at fault? For all we know Rodriquez was an illegal alien or a gang banger and anti-police and provoked the response. We really do not know the facts except the police wanted to ask him some questions and he was not cooperative. This would not be the first time the media painted a false picture in order to incite a negative reaction from the public.


87 posted on 02/26/2014 1:43:43 PM PST by thejokker
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To: thejokker; SampleMan; Uncle Chip
why are you so quick to assume the cops were at fault? For all we know Rodriquez was an illegal alien or a gang banger and anti-police and provoked the response. We really do not know the facts except the police wanted to ask him some questions and he was not cooperative. This would not be the first time the media painted a false picture in order to incite a negative reaction from the public.

COPS NEVER LIE

Cops conceal dash cam video from prosecutor

88 posted on 02/26/2014 2:22:45 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: Karl Spooner
why are you so quick to assume the cops were at fault?<\i>

I'm not presuming, I'm reading the article and watching the video. YOU are the one presuming that the given facts are wrong. I used to give LEOs the benefit of the doubt. They have proven themselves unworthy of that.

89 posted on 02/26/2014 2:37:46 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Rusty0604

Just like cops.


90 posted on 02/26/2014 2:56:44 PM PST by high info voter
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To: Rusty0604

http://www.cityofmoore.com/contacts


91 posted on 02/26/2014 3:50:04 PM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: Rusty0604

No doubt they feared for their lives!


92 posted on 02/27/2014 12:05:24 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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