Posted on 03/04/2014 4:52:19 PM PST by Altariel
Edited on 03/04/2014 4:54:10 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
An 85-year-old North Texas man said he couldn't get out of a local hospital on Wednesday. Instead of going home, he ended up in a nursing home.
Charlie Fink called FOX 4 for help Wednesday after he went into Richardson Methodist Hospital on Friday for hernia surgery and wasn't released.
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Hey, there’s a neat convalescent home in TX where JFK and Elvis live.
Eerily reminiscent of the Justina Pelletier of Massachusetts and Bret Bohn of Alaska cases.
Do you think it prudent for *The State* to make such a decision?
“But the state doesn’t have to give him anything once he is placed in its captivity. If the temporary guardianship is turned into permanent guardianship, Fink will not see another day as a free man. He will be locked up, forcibly medicated, and controlled in every way until he dies.”
http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/charlie-fink/
kinda makes us 70 yr. olds consider the wisdom of elderly eskimos finding a nice ice floe, particularly when the adult children are too busy with their own lives to call, or offer help. Of course most of us are just a royal pita to them...
Reminds me of a song about a tall tree.
The hospital cannot release an elderly person to go somewhere where there is no one to care for them when the patient is physically compromised (either through surgery or in general physical condition).
This is a very difficult situation. If they release him knowing he has no follow up care at home then they can be liable if he dies or is injured.
I guess people should be free to go home and die in pain and probably of thirst after lying on the floor for several days.
We have an elderly person in our neighborhood who has fallen several times and been found by neighbors who drop by occasionally to check on her. One time she had been on the floor for 2 days. Her children (after trying unsuccessfully to get her to go to a nursing home or come live with them) have given up on her. They don’t live in the State and don’t visit anymore.
This is a difficult issue. Some older persons makes it difficult for everyone who are trying to do the right thing. On the other hand, nursing homes can be pretty horrible places.
The hospital cannot release an elderly person to go somewhere where there is no one to care for them when the patient is physically compromised (either through surgery or in general physical condition).
This is a very difficult situation. If they release him knowing he has no follow up care at home then they can be liable if he dies or is injured.
I guess people should be free to go home and die in pain and probably of thirst after lying on the floor for several days.
We have an elderly person in our neighborhood who has fallen several times and been found by neighbors who drop by occasionally to check on her. One time she had been on the floor for 2 days. Her children (after trying unsuccessfully to get her to go to a nursing home or come live with them) have given up on her. They don’t live in the State and don’t visit anymore.
This is a difficult issue. Some older persons makes it difficult for everyone who are trying to do the right thing. On the other hand, nursing homes can be pretty horrible places.
I will answer your question, no the state has no right to hold anyone against their will, other then convicted felons and some of my x relatives. If they can get up and walk out they should be allowed to. If it results in death in some fashion it is their choice. This could be illegal imprisonment or even kidnapping IMHO.
The state needs to get out of the lives and deaths of people. It is not their business. Sometimes the road to hell is intentionally paved with good intentions.
it’s a big money making industry in TX and most likely nationwide.
Someone sees an elderly person in the hospital,all they have to do is go down and file that so and so is in need of a guardian to get the ball rolling and you are sucked into the court system and just like the scam within family court/CPS they LIE.
Some nurse pulled a similar stunt in CT and the man wound up in a locked unit,his family was advocating for him etc-
Michael Gross,and it took a while for the filed case to get to the judge and even the judge was outraged at the actions of the probate court, the court appointee etc. gross v rell.
They pulled a similar stunt with my own adult aged disabled son and he wound up ward of the court even though we were SCREAMING TO LET HIM OUT. he was held against his will for more than 4 months. and held without a crime,charges,hearing-nothing.
Probate actions leading to guardianship are the adult aged version of a CPS kangaroo court and it’s time people woke up and fight back simply along the lines of the USC deprivation of rights. the entire procedure is unconstitutional from no crime having been committed to no due process throughout.
Clue me in. Are the public agencies and their enablers looking for a bit or lot of money to be holding onto such patients? I know all so called public servants are not such.
Have seen the same type thing in my neck of the woods, especially if money is involved. One thing I would like to say is always get the names and if possible the addresses of the preps involved. They don’t like that. Remember, they always come home.
This isn’t *the hospital*, this is *Adult Protective Services*
In other words, *the government*, *the State*.
He was referred to Adult Protective Services due to an “anonymous tip”.
I would guess the tipper stands to gain financially from having the gentleman “in the care of The State”.
I understand what it is. It is to protect the hospital legally. I’m not saying it’s right, I’m saying why it happens. Hospitals get sued a lot.
yeah and we know THAT too plus TX law on disabled having rights .
If a patient has been cleared for discharge they are to be discharged-case closed.
The facility effectively isolated him via HIPAA then denied him HIS RIGHT to communicate with anyone he wants,shipped him out to another facility ,isolation continues on and on.
If you are familiar with HIPAA,then you understand exactly how they will hide behind it on top of THEM making the determination on who the patient ALLEGEDLY consents to have contact with.
not having any paperwork from the hospital confirming admission ,we were unable to get the sheriff and then without any documentation could not start legalities-
as for the mediyuuh,not an important topic at the time.
This man is lucky he had access to the phone and a receptive group.
These courts accepting applicants for THEIR PROPOSED WARDS is on the same level as CPS and their anonymous callers which result in getting your minor aged children removed ,and GUILTY till proven INNOCENT and of course all at your expense while your family members are warehoused and in the care of strangers.
We know for a fact that where he was warehoused,the woman received 2400 a month and he was NOT in a therapeutic environment either—so do the math,he was there for four and a half months. Then the court appointee DEMANDS his SSI-LOL as she thought she was getting x,y, and Z and found out all he was entitled to was $30 a month due to me reprting the changes of residence, and there was no bank accounts,nothing in his name the same—then they moved their arses to deny me guardianship based on LIES and give the position to my daughter who does noteven reside in TX complicating matters more.
You think they decided he needed a guardian out of the goodness of their hearts ? LOL.
as for the attorneys in Texas ? I only know of 1 exception to their mafia,atty enos in Houston who is cleaning out the family court one POS at a time.
He was referred to Adult Protective Services due to an “anonymous tip”.
I would guess the tipper stands to gain financially from having the gentleman “in the care of The State”.
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no,in care of the court appointed guardian.
he or she thought they would get total control of their ward and the fabled estate and then can put that man wherever they want for him to live,sell his home,take control of the bank accounts etc.
They are filthy,despicable,subhumans and this probate system must end.
go through TX estate laws and most states are the exact same scatology.
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